I agree with the fact that by default soldiers are not heroes, however, I don't agree that the current war in afganistan is unjust and unnecessary.
Poll: Do soldiers deserves the title of hero?
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Alright, I'm in the middle, but a more supportive middle. If you are an individual who basically doesn't do his job or lazes about, no he is not a hero, but anyone who actually serves, even in supply corps or other noncombat jobs, should be considered a hero, because their efforts and jobs are legitimate, provided they aren't dicking around on the frontline like the previously mentioned hypothetical. People really need to stop condemning America's foreign ventures. Seriously, I don't mean to get overly energetic, but I need to emphasize my point in saying people need to stop going all Hippie before they FULLY understand the fucking situation. I don't mean a half ass understanding. I mean they should know what's going on and why. America is not being unjust. The United States is the single superpower in the world. I don't care what anyone thinks they can say to tell why another nation is also a superpower, because America is officially considered the only global superpower, no questions asked. It is the one nation in the word with the resources to maintain forces all around the globe. We have to police the world. It isn't a need resulting from government standing, but one resulting from legitimate rock solid necessity. In the Cold War, the world had two superpowers, each acting as a hub for essentially its own half of the globe, being the centerpiece for relative economic stability in the regions influenced. Enter the '90's. The USSR breaks up, leaving nothing but economically shattered republics and what have you around the empty shell of the Soviet Union itself in the Russian Federation, not to mention masses of cheap weapons leftover from Soviet military presences ripe for the picking by countless impoverished, anarchy prone nations. Insurgencies spring up and things fall into utter disarray. When the USSR broke up, it left the US to pick up the pieces. What are we supposed to do, sit around while the whole fucking world slowly goes up in flames around our ears? That sounds stupid, but think. Economics became a global ordeal when industrialized economies came into the picture. Nations weren't medieval anymore, working on their own resources, trading with neighbors and allies. Industrialization meant everyone needed everything that everyone else had. Put simply, a single nation's economy cannot remain strong without steady access to foreign resources or it will grind to a halt. In this case, it was one half of the world that fell apart, not even, but let those go. Consider this hypothetical. America stops fighting militia groups and insurgencies in the Middle East. The region falls apart due to overwhelming political instability. Middle Eastern oil supplies become relatively inaccessible from a region engulfed in civil war, affecting the whole world, but on a smaller scale, weaker nearby nations feel a heavy impact. Slowly, economic downfall brings militias and anarchy to weakly governed areas. Slightly stronger nations will crumble, things will fall apart. The global economy will not function correctly, and inevitably the effects will hit America. Economic instability isn't local. I may be exaggerating my story. I'm not an economics guru, but I have a basic understanding of history and it seems fairly clear how international economies function based on what history has taught us. What I'm saying is, instability doesn't contain itself, and we are the only nation capable of doing it in far away places.
As for heroes, yes, for all civilians care, soldiers should all be heroes if they do anything honestly to serve. Those men take bullets and kill so we can be safer, and killing is, I imagine, more of a painful thing to do in many cases than a malicious one. The realization that you just shot that man and killed him is a shocking thing and difficult to bear, something civilians will almost certainly never understand and will never, in my mind, have the right to judge. Comparing soldiers to other soldiers, no, I don't believe everyone is a hero.
To end my political rant, I'd like to address the issue of government support and debating whether or not it is right to serve and whether it is wrong to be forced to fight against your will or if people who freely enlist are wrong etc. You owe the entire strength and stability of the whole Goddamn nation. My opinion is very similar regarding taxes. People complain about what the government is spending their money on. I've got some news for you, America, it isn't your money. That money is the government's. They serve you. You are the employer of the US government, and you owe them a paycheck. When you go to work and your boss pays you, does he ask you what you spend it on? I assume not, because it's your business. Same with the government. You can have whatever opinion you want and you can try to coax the government to do what it is you think is right, but as long as they are keeping your nation blowing itself to kingdom come in a blast of anarchy and lawlessness, you owe them your services and support. You don't have to support a wrongful project, but you should support your government and let the do what they do, and express your contempt for their actions in a way other than undermining them. If the acts are truly malicious or are bringing the nation down as a whole, that is a different story, but that isn't happening and I'm talking about the present, not a hypothetical. So, if the government gives you a duty, be it by putting you in the military to serve or whatever else, you say "Thank you!" and "God bless America!"
As an end note, I'd like to say that I don't have any intent to insult anyone, and if I did sincerely hurt anyone's feeling by bashing their strong political views or whatever else I apologize, but other than that these are my own strong beliefs and given the issue at hand I feel it is important that someone say just this and mean it.
As for heroes, yes, for all civilians care, soldiers should all be heroes if they do anything honestly to serve. Those men take bullets and kill so we can be safer, and killing is, I imagine, more of a painful thing to do in many cases than a malicious one. The realization that you just shot that man and killed him is a shocking thing and difficult to bear, something civilians will almost certainly never understand and will never, in my mind, have the right to judge. Comparing soldiers to other soldiers, no, I don't believe everyone is a hero.
To end my political rant, I'd like to address the issue of government support and debating whether or not it is right to serve and whether it is wrong to be forced to fight against your will or if people who freely enlist are wrong etc. You owe the entire strength and stability of the whole Goddamn nation. My opinion is very similar regarding taxes. People complain about what the government is spending their money on. I've got some news for you, America, it isn't your money. That money is the government's. They serve you. You are the employer of the US government, and you owe them a paycheck. When you go to work and your boss pays you, does he ask you what you spend it on? I assume not, because it's your business. Same with the government. You can have whatever opinion you want and you can try to coax the government to do what it is you think is right, but as long as they are keeping your nation blowing itself to kingdom come in a blast of anarchy and lawlessness, you owe them your services and support. You don't have to support a wrongful project, but you should support your government and let the do what they do, and express your contempt for their actions in a way other than undermining them. If the acts are truly malicious or are bringing the nation down as a whole, that is a different story, but that isn't happening and I'm talking about the present, not a hypothetical. So, if the government gives you a duty, be it by putting you in the military to serve or whatever else, you say "Thank you!" and "God bless America!"
As an end note, I'd like to say that I don't have any intent to insult anyone, and if I did sincerely hurt anyone's feeling by bashing their strong political views or whatever else I apologize, but other than that these are my own strong beliefs and given the issue at hand I feel it is important that someone say just this and mean it.
When someone serves in a tour of duty, even if they don't perform any Audie Murphy-level acts of bravery, they are still willingly risking their lives, if not for a cause they believe in, then at least to put bread on the table. IMO, if someone willingly puts their life on the line when they don't have to, they earn the right to be called a hero (whether or not they want to be called a hero is another story).
Well, My brother is in the Army and he hates wearing his uniform and being recognized as a soldier. He is not ashamed, he just doesn't like the attention(something I have tremendous respect for him). Sure, it doesn't make you a hero, but joining the military forces means that you are joining a cause that is ussually to defend others. That automatically deserves respect. Not all of the are heroes sure, but they almost all accept the fact that they might die for another.
And I have been in the group to take that group down. I personally think that everyone in the "Soldiers are not heroes" can get the fuck out of my country and fend for themselves. They are all cowardly people who need to be punished for being idiots.
And I have been in the group to take that group down. I personally think that everyone in the "Soldiers are not heroes" can get the fuck out of my country and fend for themselves. They are all cowardly people who need to be punished for being idiots.
You are very ignorant of why most join the army. Sure, there are some creeps who do that, but they join the army to stop others from being murdered. They do know there is a chance that they will get shot, but the word you are looking for is brave not "idiotic". Being idiotic is wanting to be shot at. No one in the army wants to be shot, they want to defend others.Jaranja said:
No group unanimously deserves the title of hero (except, perhaps, "hero"), least of all a group whose job it is to kill people. I am morally opposed to war in general, and I can not think of a single war which could be labelled "necessary". Especially not the current one. While there are definitely individuals in the current war whose exploits could be described as heroic, I would under no circumstances consider someone a hero simply by virtue of them being in the military. My old high school's motto, gesta non verba, deeds, not words, applies here. Being a soldier does not make you a hero. Performing heroic deeds makes you a hero. For that, one doesn't have to be in the army.
Maybe I get war and people that join the army mixed up. War is idiotic, Joining the army is serving a government/military that's idiotic. Being a servant to the people that don't care if you die or not isn't brave. Sure, you may seem like you're the big brave tough-guy that joins the army to protect his homeland but not having an army at all would be better.Tdc2182 said:
Killing a man doesn't make you a hero. Killing a man who is defending his home certainly doesn't make a hero. Killing a man who is trying to defend his home, and then stealing what was on his land most definitely doesn't make a hero.
But its not the soldiers fault, its the person holding there leash's fault. And yet most people praise these people as hero's.
But its not the soldiers fault, its the person holding there leash's fault. And yet most people praise these people as hero's.
I was truly expecting a picture of this guy.Wadders said:
I really was. Glad to see it was really a full article.
To me, being a solder is just another job that takes alot more guts then most. Yes, they can do heroic things, but so can ordinary people and we shouldn't glorify something that is, essentually, kill everyone who does not see a certain point of view.
Well, I'm meaning to defend the soldiers themselves, people attacking them personally rather than the governements who send them to fight? It seems wrong to blame soldiers rather than the people who actually have the power to unleash them.yersimapestis said:
And besides, for some the army can provide everything they need to live comfortably and the army look after their own. The army can be a better option than minimum wage unskilled worker.
The answer is simple: The Soldiers who protect innocent people are heroes, soldiers who conquer and oppress innocent people are not. That question wasn't particularly hard. Whether or not they kill people is sort of irrelevant, because killing is sadly sometimes necessary to protect people. What matters is who they are killing, and why.Random argument man said:
It may not make them heroes, but they most certainly deserve our respect, which is what I believe to be the point. Our respective armed forces put their lives on the line merely because they are told to, regardless of their own opinion. That as far as I'm concerned demands serious respect.
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