Poll: Do you believe in the afterlife?

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TheOneMavado

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Your question isn't very well phrased; THE afterlife? Which one are you referring to?

But to answer; I think that the belief in an afterlife is delusional at best, insane at the worst.
 

tobi the good boy

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If there is one, it's a state of consciousness we can't really comprehend.
The only state of consciousness we can't comprehend is non existence. The mere idea of not being around anymore scares us so much that we turn to fables and old tales to avoid the fact that once we are dead, it's over.
Sure we can comprehend it, look let me help you. What was life like before you were born? Now you understand what happens when you die.

OT: I personally don't believe in an afterlife eternity seems like more trouble in the end than it's worth.
 

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TheOneMavado said:
Your question isn't very well phrased; THE afterlife? Which one are you referring to?

But to answer; I think that the belief in an afterlife is delusional at best, insane at the worst.
Well yeah, I'm sure you do think that. Religious people would think that not believing in afterlife is delusional at best, and I personally think that believing you know either way is delusional at best.

Just don't go around thinking you're smarter than others because of your beliefs.

... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
 

zehydra

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Afterlife or reincarnation.

The truth is, "nothing happening" is not by our minds at all conceivable. It's possible, but we cannot imagine it.
 

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TheOneMavado said:
Your question isn't very well phrased; THE afterlife? Which one are you referring to?
Someone before you mentioned the same thing. The difference is subtle and I didn't mean anything by it.
 

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lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
Atheism is not a religious belief... more a lack thereof.
 

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Nope, and it doesn't affect my choices in life. You die and that's it; there's no reason whatsoever to believe in an afterlife beyond really quite desperately wanting to.

lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
An absence of belief does not equate to having a belief. I'm sure the people that constantly come out with that think its very philosophical and deep, but its not.
 

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I believe in the afterlife, but there's one thing that's bothered me about it. If people keep coming back, how come there are more and more people in the world? Perhaps new souls are created.
 

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I believe in an afterlife, but much more in principle than any rational reason. I like to "know" that my enemies are going to get worse treatment than I for being bad people, I like that it makes there be a reason to live life other than achieving for your own greed and pride. If I was a betting man, I'd say that there is no afterlife, but it doesn't hurt to pretend for shits 'n' giggles.
 

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There is simply, nothing.

Trust me, I'm a former Christian, and I'd love nothing more to know there's an afterlife. Not just for me, but for those I lost. For my father, for my wonderful 26-year old cousin, who was the kindest soul I ever knew, who died of cervical cancer that developed when she got pregnant and had a child, and left so much in shambles, for my 19-year old friend who fought in Afghanistan, and sacrificed so much just being there, and being outright hated by well more than half his country (gay), who bled to death slowly and painfully after being shot rescuing one of his comrades during an ambush, for my 16-year old friend who was abandoned by her father because she was transgendered, whose mother began emotionally abusing her because the mother was driven to alcoholism over the loss, that girl who died without ever feeling complete, having spent every moment of her life broken, and then froze to death in some street alley.

I'd love nothing more for there to be an afterlife, not even for me, but for them.

And that only reinforces why I don't think it exists.

We're not only afraid of our own deaths, but of those of our friends, our family, those we hold close, those whom we esteem, and those we admire. Its emotionally torture to not only lose them, but to realize they've lost everything we still have. It makes us feel weak, fragile, and only more sad for their departure. To know that such a life will never exist again is soul-crushing. And thats reinforces why I think heaven is a delusion. We rationalize that pain away by saying "heaven/a-life-after-this exists", it helps us cope and keep from our soul being crushed. It was painful to write that about my lost loved ones, but death isn't beautiful. Death is ugly. Death devalues and trivializes our life, our existence. It reminds us that we are flawed, that we are merely mortals. Belief in the afterlife is an attempt to dodge that otherwise emotionally-crippling pain.
 

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Well the atoms and molecules in my body will be reused by the biosphere of the planet so I guess that's a sort of reincarnation when my atoms get used in some random fern.

Else no. Honestly think an afterlife would be hell. I mean sure the first million years could be fun. But what about the million years after that? And the billions after that? And the quadrillions after that?
 

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I acknowledge the possibility, but I strongly doubt it. Besides, if some form of our consciousness were to remain after death (which I would say to be the most likely form of afterlife), devoid of senses or stimuli, probably even without most of its reasoning and memory capability, well, I'd rather be dead. That strikes me as a living hell, an eternity in the silent void with only your own thoughts for company. I'd really rather just have nothing.
 

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4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
Atheism is not a religious belief... more a lack thereof.
Nope, that's Agnosti...cism. I'm not sure of the word. Agnosticism seems right, Google Chrome seems to think it's a correct spelling at least.

Atheism is a belief that there is definitely no god.
 

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MisterDyslexo said:
You have had a lot of experience with death. You mentioned you are a former Christian. Did the experiences you described, swayed you from your believe?

Also, I agree that the belief in the afterlife is to give us hope, to soothe our minds. But I still think that a lot of religious people are just raised that way. The believes of our parents literally forced upon us, without the chance to think for ourselves. It just becomes a way of life.
 

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Yes, you're decomposed by bacteria and fungi into minute particles and baser elements, energy, and heat. The particles are then either deposited into the ground or taken in by your decomposer along with the energy molecules to be used in metabolic processes, and the waste heat dissipates to contribute to the total accumulated entropy of the universe.

And that's what happens after life.
 

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lunncal said:
4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
Atheism is not a religious belief... more a lack thereof.
Nope, that's Agnosti...cism. I'm not sure of the word. Agnosticism seems right, Google Chrome seems to think it's a correct spelling at least.

Atheism is a belief that there is definitely no god.
Unbelief - "absence or lack of religious belief"

Atheism is having no belief
Agnosticism is not knowing what to believe (to put it simply)

Ah, but we are talking semantics here. Still, feel free to correct me.
 

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4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
Atheism is not a religious belief... more a lack thereof.
Nope, that's Agnosti...cism. I'm not sure of the word. Agnosticism seems right, Google Chrome seems to think it's a correct spelling at least.

Atheism is a belief that there is definitely no god.
Unbelief - "absence or lack of religious belief"

Atheism is having no belief
Agnosticism is not knowing what to believe (to put it simply)

Ah, but we are talking semantics here. Still, feel free to correct me.
Atheist - Someone who denies the existence of god

To be an Atheist you have to actively believe that there is no god. It's still a belief, just a negative one. At least that's how I've always understood it, and that dictionary seems to agree.

Then again, Agnosticism can be a belief too (so what I said earlier was pretty much wrong).

Agnostic - A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena.

The point I was trying to make is that Athiests who think they are better than religious people are really bad hypocrites, and that the only thing that makes them different to those religious people is the specifics of the belief they preach.
 

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lunncal said:
4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
4RM3D said:
lunncal said:
... And yes, not believing in an afterlife is just as much a religious belief as believing in one.
Atheism is not a religious belief... more a lack thereof.
Nope, that's Agnosti...cism. I'm not sure of the word. Agnosticism seems right, Google Chrome seems to think it's a correct spelling at least.

Atheism is a belief that there is definitely no god.
Unbelief - "absence or lack of religious belief"

Atheism is having no belief
Agnosticism is not knowing what to believe (to put it simply)

Ah, but we are talking semantics here. Still, feel free to correct me.
Noun Atheist - Someone who denies the existence of god

To be an Atheist you have to actively believe that there is no god. It's still a belief, just a negative one. At least that's how I've always understood it, and that dictionary seems to agree.

Then again, Agnosticism can be a belief too (so my earlier point was pretty much wrong).

Agnostic - A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena.

The point I was trying to make is that Athiests who think they are better than religious people are really bad hypocrites, and that the only thing that makes them different to those religious people is the specifics of the belief they preach.
The definitions suck.
Some people go by the
Q: What's the difference between an atheist and an agnostic?

A: It has to do with the difference between what you believe and what you think you know. For any particular god that you can imagine, a "theist" is one who has a belief in that god. In contrast, an "atheist" is one who does not have a belief in the god. A "gnostic" is one who knows about the existence of god and an "agnostic" is one who thinks that god is unknowable.

Notice that the terms "atheist" and "agnostic", by these definitions, are not mutually exclusive. You could be an agnostic atheist, meaning you don't think that the existence of gods is knowable, but you don't choose to believe in one without further proof. Many people assume that atheists believe that gods can be proved not to exist, but this isn't strictly true and there is no proper word to describe this. You could call such a person an "untheist", perhaps. Or, you could just call such a person a "gnostic atheist", one who doesn't believe in a god and thinks that his non-belief can be proved.

So there are four possible ways one could be.

1. Agnostic-Theist: believes god exists, but the existence of a god is unknowable
2. Gnostic-Theist: believes in a god for which he claims knowledge
3. Agnostic-Atheist: does not believe god exists, but it can't be proved
4. Gnostic-Atheist: believes it can be proved that god does not exist

Case 3 is sometimes referred to as "weak atheism" and case 4 is sometimes referred to as "strong atheism". Only strong atheism positively asserts that there are no gods.

Finally, it should be pointed out that when a person is asked about their beliefs and replies that they are agnostic, they are avoiding the question and answering a different one. Someone who can't positively say he/she believes in a god is an atheist.

Others go by their own definitions, some by society's definitions. Some by whatever their dictionary says (which varies).

I am an atheist.
I reject belief, and I don't consider the probability of something existing of which we have absolutely no evidence to support enough to grant the slightest of belief. Using your definition I'm agnostic towards every concept, like unicorns, or the invisible dwarf playing with his penis on my shoulder.

zehydra said:
Afterlife or reincarnation.

The truth is, "nothing happening" is not by our minds at all conceivable. It's possible, but we cannot imagine it.
Well, it's not hard. You just cease to exist. It's like sleeping without remembering your dreams, but you don't wake up. It's endless unconsciousness, it's as if we return to the state we were before we were born.
I can picture it, I can understand and comprehend it. Your blanket statement needs a little fixing.