Poll: Do you believe Kinect will hurt the Wii?

[HeySeansOnline]

The entire purpose is too hurt the wii, Microsoft tries to get all teh markets it can, remember Blue Dragon, and all the JRPG's that showed up soon after, that was an attempt at the Japanese audience, probably a prime reason why they got FF13, the kinect is to get the supple market of those who want motion controls. Plus they can tie this into more family friendly games and they have more of that. Will It succeed? Maybe if they can work out some of the aforementioned bugs.

 

[10BIT]

How is Guitar Hero better on the Wii? Because its $10 less expensive?

Because A)Motion controls make it easier to activate star power B)Internal speaker helps identify who and when the person messes up and C)The addition of rodeo battle mode which is insanely fun. Also I've just been told it's cheaper.

Graphics take a huge hit plus without a proper amount of storage and a fair online system you don't get the awesome ability to expand the library of songs. Also customizing characters has been stripped out.

1.This game doesn't need good graphics. Guitar Hero runs great on DS even, so graphics shouldn't be an issue on the Wii.
2.You can and I have expanded my library via the downloadable content, the Wii is no where near as restrictive as you claim.
3.If you're not content with the vast choice of characters and any of their costumes, you could just use a mii, but I don't see the point of customisation since you won't be looking at them at any time.

I have no idea if Godfather was better on the Wii because it was just an all around terrible title and sequel.

On the Xbox, yes it was terrible, but for the Wii, it suddenly became one of my favourite games ever and the only sandbox game where I've managed to finish the main story, let alone 100% complete. The hand to hand combat was especially satisfying being able to shove, punch, grab, head-butt, throw, slam into walls, push out of windows/over banisters, twist their neck, and many other things I'm sure I've forgotten that also preformed fluidly and naturally with the motion controller. The Godfather is my prime example for how good motion controls can improve 'hardcore' games.

Forgotten Sands, I would imagine it has to look like a dog...

Hmmm yup.

Because graphics is everything? *sigh* Why don't we just join hands and worship the PC as the perfect gaming system if graphics is all it take to be awesome?

The Wii version is totally different to the PC/PS3/360 version and has much improved gameplay, then again I haven't played this game yet so have only reviews to go on and won't be able to debate this much further,

The Wii is best at its 1st party titles and party games. However Kinect will be ten times more fun to play party games on and Xbox is the only home for 3rd party titles.

Other than games bundled with the console/peripherals, I don't own any first person games and the only other party game I own is Boom Blox (which is pure awesome, ranks with worms as the greatest local multiplayer game series ever) yet I still get a lot of use out of my Wii. Why? Because it has an abundance of good, 'hardcore', third-party titles as well, so this idea that the wii is only good for Nintendo titles and party games is wrong.

I also love your multiplication because you pulled it out of thin air.

 

[Gigaguy64]

Nope.
I had hopes for Kinect but after the Microsoft conference, not any more.
It has the potential to go places but i don't think it will.
Besides, they are so late getting into the Market that there isn't much left for them to sell.
And i don't like the thought of having no controller, a controller males it easier for you you to interact with the game because of the physical feedback the controller gives you(Rumbling, Clicking, ETC)
Ill just stick with my Wii.

 

[Jeronus]

OT: No, the Kinect will do minimal damage to the Wii, at best. The Kinect and Move are basically trying to sell their own slightly more advanced version of the Wii. People who have the Wii aren't going to buy it and people who hate motion controls aren't going to buy it.

Let's put that in percent

People who have the Wii= 60%
People who hate motion controls= 30%

What you have left is 10% of the market split between Sony and Microsoft. Move and Kinect are doomed to fall flat on their faces.

I know several people who own a Wii but hardly play it. Reason being? Because they have bought titles that looked and sounded like fun such as Ghostbusters but realized that it was a tame lamer version than the Xbox 360s. So they have become disappointed with their purchase. I think a lot of Wii owners, or kids who have grown up a few more years and are being teased they own a Wii will be wanting to upgrade to a truly next-gen system. I feel that Kinect is enough of a difference from what they previous owned plus the $300 bundle is a great deal that they will make the switch. I also love your percentages because you pulled those out of thin air.

First of all, I based that percentage on what I have seen around the internet. It is not 100% accurate, but it still makes my point that the market growth is small.

If someone was disappointed with the motion controls on the Wii, they are going to go out and spend even more money on another console trying to emulate the first one. Your idea is basically flawed because you expect people who had a negative experience to go out and spend more money on a slightly different one. All those extras you keep mentioning don't mean anything to casual gamers. Those people you mentioned sound like they know what an Xbox 360 is and have probably played one at some point. They are a minority in the casual gaming market. Also the Wii is a next-gen system, and who the hell is being teased because they own a Wii? The Wii was $249 when it came out and you expect people who were disappointed with that to notice enough of a difference to spend $50 more on a Kinect. You are truly delusional, sir.

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

Kinect is a over priced motion sensing cash in. Plus it doesn't have the one thing that makes the Wii any good, The awesome Nintendo Games like Mario or Zelda.

If it was a cash in wouldn't they have released it the year or months following the Wiis release? But instead they didn't they waited until they perfected their idea and got 3rd party companies on board. Plus Mario and Zelda are only awesome to some. I personally hated Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess but I love Link's Awakening. As far as Mario is concerned they haven't pulled an original idea for Mario out of their butt since Mario 64. Proof of this is New Super Mario Bros.

Wow so I guess you gave up on convincing me that Kinect is worth the money when it comes to upcoming games. Well you can atleast say you tried. I don't even find the Move a good idea but after you irritated me enough to research about it and its oncoming games I find it to be a worthy device.

 

[Aura Guardian]

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Dude. The Wii version of The Forgotten Sands was FAR superior to the PC/PS3/Xbox 360 version.
The graphics are amazing on the Wii version too. Ubisoft worked from the ground up on the Wii version of the Forgotten sands. They didn't pull an Activison and ported a PS2 version of the game to the Wii(As an example of course). Plus, the Wii verison gets to have the original Prince of Persia included. One of the best $49.99 purchases I've made

 

[CobraX]

Kinect is a over priced motion sensing cash in. Plus it doesn't have the one thing that makes the Wii any good, The awesome Nintendo Games like Mario or Zelda.

If it was a cash in wouldn't they have released it the year or months following the Wiis release? But instead they didn't they waited until they perfected their idea and got 3rd party companies on board. Plus Mario and Zelda are only awesome to some. I personally hated Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess but I love Link's Awakening. As far as Mario is concerned they haven't pulled an original idea for Mario out of their butt since Mario 64. Proof of this is New Super Mario Bros.

Original Mario Ideas: Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy, and Paper Mario.

As for the whole Kinect thing. They are only releasing it now, because they didn't realize until now that Casual Gaming is where the money is. I stand by my previous statement about how Kinect is a piece of shit and it will most likely fail.

Slightly, yes but in the end these devices are marketed towards families, the Wii costs £150 whereas the xbox with Kinect is about £300, which do you think a family will go for?

It depends. If in that family the father has the checkbook he is probably going to swing for the system that looks best on his new HDTV. Well seeing as how the Wii at its best is 420p it doesn't win.

Also the Wii is $200 in the states and Kinect Bundle with the 36o is $300. However to have a complete 2nd controller set for the wii cost the following:

$40 for the Wiimote
$20 for the numchuck
$20 for the Wii motion plus
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$80
$200 - for the Wii
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$280

So now we are talking about a 20 buck difference. For what the 360 additionally has to offer $20 is not a deal breaker.

Also the bundle comes with a wireless Xbox controller for non-motion based games

To play non-motion based games you can turn a wii-mote sideways or pay yet another $20 for a classic controller...so they break even. But the classic controller has to be hooked into a wiimote...wii I have no idea.

Kinect will cost 300 (bundled with a 360), the Wii costs 200 and that includes A Wii Remote, A Motion Plus, and a Nunchuk, along with the console and two games. Plus 80 bucks for a second controller set up.

So Kinect (1 console, up to 2 players, and 1 game) = 300
Wii (1 Console, 2 players, and 2 games) = 280

Wii is cheaper and comes with more games. If you wanted 2 games with your Kinect you need to pay a whole another 40 bucks onto the 300. Wii is cheaper ad a better deal. Plus there's one major problem with Kinect: IT HAS PROBLEMS SENSING BLACK CLOTHING. Don't believe me? Go watch TheSpoonyExperiment.com's coverage of E3 him and one of his friends were told that Kinect can't sense dark clothing. Plus you need way more spare room to use kinect....

PS - You don't the Classic Controller for Wii - It's completely optional.

 

[mrpmpfan]

Kinect will cost 300 (bundled with a 360), the Wii costs 200 and that includes A Wii Remote, A Motion Plus, and a Nunchuk, along with the console and two games. Plus 80 bucks for a second controller set up.

So Kinect (1 console, up to 2 players, and 1 game) = 300
Wii (1 Console, 2 players, and 2 games) = 280

Wii is cheaper and comes with more games. If you wanted 2 games with your Kinect you need to pay a whole another 40 bucks onto the 300. Wii is cheaper ad a better deal. Plus there's one major problem with Kinect: IT HAS PROBLEMS SENSING BLACK CLOTHING. Don't believe me? Go watch TheSpoonyExperiment.com's coverage of E3 him and one of his friends were told that Kinect can't sense dark clothing. Plus you need way more spare room to use kinect....

PS - You don't the Classic Controller for Wii - It's completely optional.

The "two" games the Wii comes with are Wii Resort and Wii Sports. Will Resort is just an updated Wii Sports and even repeats some of the same games on the disc. So I will say it has 1.5 games. I am okay with buying a 2nd game for Kinect so that I am not given a spruced up version of the same game. Also the problem sensing black clothing is bogus, as is having to stand far away from the camera. Why do I protest these rumors? I have used the camera at mall of america. Not only did it not have a problem sensing dark clothing (my wife was wearing black top that day) it also could sense us eventhough a ton of stuff was going on behind us. Plus we were standing maybe 4-5 feet away from it. So in stead of reading rumors on thespoonyexperiment.com how about you find out where they are hosting a Kinect demo near you and try it out for yourself.

 

[mrpmpfan]

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Dude. The Wii version of The Forgotten Sands was FAR superior to the PC/PS3/Xbox 360 version.
The graphics are amazing on the Wii version too. Ubisoft worked from the ground up on the Wii version of the Forgotten sands. They didn't pull an Activison and ported a PS2 version of the game to the Wii(As an example of course). Plus, the Wii verison gets to have the original Prince of Persia included. One of the best $49.99 purchases I've made

Well thats funny:

The 360 version and PS3 version were handled by Ubisoft Montreal where as the Wii version was handled by Ubisoft Quebec City.

Game Boy Advance
Surf's Up

Nintendo DS
Battle of Giants: Dinosaurs
Battle of Giants: Dragons
Battle of Giants: Dragons (Bronze Edition)
Battle of Giants: Mutant Insects
My Stop Smoking Coach with Allen Carr
Surf's Up
TMNT

PlayStation 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Critical Hour

PlayStation Portable
Surf's Up
TMNT
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas

Xbox
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Critical Hour

There is a list of games they have developed...wow just look at this wonderful list.

Also the graphics are good for the Wii. Wii owners must hate hearing that. You never hear Wii games look better than their 360/PS3 counterpart. I posted the two screenshots side by side and you clearly tell which one looked better it wasn't the Wii.

 

[Aura Guardian]

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Dude. The Wii version of The Forgotten Sands was FAR superior to the PC/PS3/Xbox 360 version.
The graphics are amazing on the Wii version too. Ubisoft worked from the ground up on the Wii version of the Forgotten sands. They didn't pull an Activison and ported a PS2 version of the game to the Wii(As an example of course). Plus, the Wii verison gets to have the original Prince of Persia included. One of the best $49.99 purchases I've made

Well thats funny:

The 360 version and PS3 version were handled by Ubisoft Montreal where as the Wii version was handled by Ubisoft Quebec City.

Game Boy Advance
Surf's Up

Nintendo DS
Battle of Giants: Dinosaurs
Battle of Giants: Dragons
Battle of Giants: Dragons (Bronze Edition)
Battle of Giants: Mutant Insects
My Stop Smoking Coach with Allen Carr
Surf's Up
TMNT

PlayStation 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Critical Hour

PlayStation Portable
Surf's Up
TMNT
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas

Xbox
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Critical Hour

There is a list of games they have developed...wow just look at this wonderful list.

Also the graphics are good for the Wii. Wii owners must hate hearing that. You never hear Wii games look better than their 360/PS3 counterpart. I posted the two screenshots side by side and you clearly tell which one looked better it wasn't the Wii.

And what are you trying to prove? That the company that handled a game I liked made games you hated? And thus is considered bad?
As a Wii owner, I hate hearing "good for a wii game" And since I'm more of a gameplay over graphics person, those two screenshots proved nothing. And the Wii one looks great nonetheless. But I see you love Brown and gray games since you love HD graphics mr.troll. Time to grow up. Several people have countered your response and you still use the same example to prove nothing.
And FYI, I've played the Battle of series and they are entertaining. Maybe not for you since it lacks blood and HD graphics right?

And as for your extremely and still shocked it's not lock topic, No, it won't hurt the Wii.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Not a chance. Anyone really interested in this already has a Wii and anyone who would be interested in motion controls will probably go for the cheaper option with more titles out and more word of mouth praise. Microsoft and Sony are late to the party.

Extremely late. But this troll thinks otherwise.

 

[mrpmpfan]

Wii version was handled by Ubisoft Quebec City.
(all scores taken from metacritic.com)

Nintendo DS
Battle of Giants: Dinosaurs - 46%
Battle of Giants: Dragons - 63%
Battle of Giants: Dragons (Bronze Edition)- 60%
Battle of Giants: Mutant Insects - 51%

Wow those are all keepers, judging by the game's covers I am assuming you are very young or have a grandparent or two who are out of touch with video games saw that box art and decided to buy those for you. The Wii version is only great in your eyes and yes graphics do matter to me. Why? Because they can be done! If great graphics can be pulled off why not do it? But way no your right its way more fun to have goofy controls and gamecube visuals then to have a great dual analog controller and soon to be true motion sensing with hd graphics.

Enjoy Dead Rising for the Wii and all 15 zombies that inhabit it:

 

[CobraX]

Kinect will cost 300 (bundled with a 360), the Wii costs 200 and that includes A Wii Remote, A Motion Plus, and a Nunchuk, along with the console and two games. Plus 80 bucks for a second controller set up.

So Kinect (1 console, up to 2 players, and 1 game) = 300
Wii (1 Console, 2 players, and 2 games) = 280

Wii is cheaper and comes with more games. If you wanted 2 games with your Kinect you need to pay a whole another 40 bucks onto the 300. Wii is cheaper ad a better deal. Plus there's one major problem with Kinect: IT HAS PROBLEMS SENSING BLACK CLOTHING. Don't believe me? Go watch TheSpoonyExperiment.com's coverage of E3 him and one of his friends were told that Kinect can't sense dark clothing. Plus you need way more spare room to use kinect....

PS - You don't the Classic Controller for Wii - It's completely optional.

The "two" games the Wii comes with are Wii Resort and Wii Sports. Will Resort is just an updated Wii Sports and even repeats some of the same games on the disc. So I will say it has 1.5 games. I am okay with buying a 2nd game for Kinect so that I am not given a spruced up version of the same game. Also the problem sensing black clothing is bogus, as is having to stand far away from the camera. Why do I protest these rumors? I have used the camera at mall of america. Not only did it not have a problem sensing dark clothing (my wife was wearing black top that day) it also could sense us eventhough a ton of stuff was going on behind us. Plus we were standing maybe 4-5 feet away from it. So in stead of reading rumors on thespoonyexperiment.com how about you find out where they are hosting a Kinect demo near you and try it out for yourself.

Oh so instead I should read your rumour! And regardless of your opinon the fact is that Kinect comes with one game, the wii comes with two.

PS - The Spoony Experiment had a video posted of a Microsoft Employee telling Spoony and his friend that the kinect would have problems sensing black clothing and according to them it did. It wasn't just some blog post talking about it, there was video proof.

 

[Delusibeta]

Wii version was handled by Ubisoft Quebec City.
(all scores taken from metacritic.com)

Nintendo DS
Battle of Giants: Dinosaurs - 46%
Battle of Giants: Dragons - 63%
Battle of Giants: Dragons (Bronze Edition)- 60%
Battle of Giants: Mutant Insects - 51%

Wow those are all keepers, judging by the game's covers I am assuming you are very young or have a grandparent or two who are out of touch with video games saw that box art and decided to buy those for you. The Wii version is only great in your eyes and yes graphics do matter to me. Why? Because they can be done! If great graphics can be pulled off why not do it? But way no your right its way more fun to have goofy controls and gamecube visuals then to have a great dual analog controller and soon to be true motion sensing with hd graphics.

You are really grasping at straws now. Complaining that one developer has made some bad games and that another developer made a crappy port, does not equal "this format is crap". Oh no, Sega made some crappy games, ergo Sega is crap. Oh no, Bayonetta on the PS3 is crap, ergo the PS3 is crap.

 

[mrpmpfan]

You are really grasping at straws now. Complaining that one developer has made some bad games and that another developer made a crappy port, does not equal "this format is crap". Oh no, Sega made some crappy games, ergo Sega is crap. Oh no, Bayonetta on the PS3 is crap, ergo the PS3 is crap.

The list of crappy games was over half of what they have produced. So to call them a shit company is fair to say. Sega has published a ton of bad games but they are not the ones designing them. So we would have to look at each indivdual game designer and see which studios sucked and which ones haven't.

Also Bayonetta was crap on the PS3 and should have been tested further but sadly the PS3 is so hard to program for smaller companies don't have the resources to.

And yes the PS3 sucks but thankfully the Wii exists to make it look better.

 

[mrpmpfan]

PS - The Spoony Experiment had a video posted of a Microsoft Employee telling Spoony and his friend that the kinect would have problems sensing black clothing and according to them it did. It wasn't just some blog post talking about it, there was video proof.

I have played it first hand. I experienced nothing their article was talking about. So its quite possible that they 16 yr old kid Microsoft hired to attend the booth didn't know what they were talking about or the fact that they were playing an early beta of Kinect and my demo was closer to the finished product.

Either way I also don't wear a ton of black clothing so I am okay