Poll: Do you feel you were lied to about Drugs in D.A.R.E., or other programs in school?

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Agema

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Haydyn said:
The truth is that no one has ever died because of pot.
People have died from taking pot. It's just they are very, very few in number and it's an indirect problem, such as choking on your own vomit, or people who think they can drive okay whilst high and cause crashes.

Smoking pot has the same problems as smoking tobacco, involving cancer, lung and heart disease. A spliff is thought worse than a cigarette, although providing the pot user doesn't smoke cigarettes as well, they'll have so many fewer spliffs than the average smoker has cigarettes that in the long run it's less serious.

Cannabis is also increasingly implicated in inducing various psychoses, most notably schizophrenia. It's well worth avoiding if anyone in your family has a history of that sort of mental illness.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
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No, not particularly. Then again I don't remember being told that banana rot thing.
CrysisMcGee said:
Grade school, middle school, high school. All of it. They never gave us the full truth.
They never told us It's impossible to die from Marijuana, that it's the safest drug even versus legal drugs, and its not physically addictive. And the fact that Ectasy was a legal prescription drug up until 1985.
Of course they're not going to tell you that! They're trying to DIScourage you from using the stuff, not ENcourage.
That's the problem. Programs instituted to achieve a behavioral result rather than honestly to educate people aren't really educational programs-- they're indoctrination. And they employ bullshit: claims which are propagated by people who don't care whether the claims are true or false. When students can see that the DARE program is giving them bullshit and not real facts, they often rebel against it. People don't like to feel manipulated and will do the opposite of what a manipulator wants them to do just out of pure spite.
I don't remember being told anything that wasn't true. Granted it's been over 16 years since I took the thing. However leaving out details is not the same as lieing. And considering the overall goal is your continued good health and well being, I'm sure as hell not going to condemn them.
Leaving out important details is dishonest and deceptive, even if it isn't lying. I will certainly condemn them because I have more respect for myself and other humans than to condone bullshit in education. And the program doesn't even accomplish health or wellbeing.
It's not bullshit if it's still true. And if they succeed in keep you from getting into drugs and shit, then it does accomplish health & wellbeing.
If it does. It doesn't. And it is bullshit to put together an argument that is obviously undermined by a bunch of other facts that are conveniently forgotten, creating beliefs that are demonstrably false. I'm not going to countenance deceptive bullshit in the classroom.
 

EscapeGoat_v1legacy

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Not really, but they weren't exactly informative either.

They were more just along the lines of "Don't do drugs. Or else."
 

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dare and similar programs were rather bad and they gave out bad information. if they were more truthful, they might have done a better job but they lied and got caught so they failed
 

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This may come as a surprize, but smokeings affect are hugely overstated. The reason people say that smokeing kills you is because when miners started dying because of infection of the lungs due to the unsafe working conditions, goveners decided to blame smoking because most of the miners did smoke. true story
 

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Seanchaidh said:
canadamus_prime said:
Seanchaidh said:
canadamus_prime said:
Seanchaidh said:
canadamus_prime said:
No, not particularly. Then again I don't remember being told that banana rot thing.
CrysisMcGee said:
Grade school, middle school, high school. All of it. They never gave us the full truth.
They never told us It's impossible to die from Marijuana, that it's the safest drug even versus legal drugs, and its not physically addictive. And the fact that Ectasy was a legal prescription drug up until 1985.
Of course they're not going to tell you that! They're trying to DIScourage you from using the stuff, not ENcourage.
That's the problem. Programs instituted to achieve a behavioral result rather than honestly to educate people aren't really educational programs-- they're indoctrination. And they employ bullshit: claims which are propagated by people who don't care whether the claims are true or false. When students can see that the DARE program is giving them bullshit and not real facts, they often rebel against it. People don't like to feel manipulated and will do the opposite of what a manipulator wants them to do just out of pure spite.
I don't remember being told anything that wasn't true. Granted it's been over 16 years since I took the thing. However leaving out details is not the same as lieing. And considering the overall goal is your continued good health and well being, I'm sure as hell not going to condemn them.
Leaving out important details is dishonest and deceptive, even if it isn't lying. I will certainly condemn them because I have more respect for myself and other humans than to condone bullshit in education. And the program doesn't even accomplish health or wellbeing.
It's not bullshit if it's still true. And if they succeed in keep you from getting into drugs and shit, then it does accomplish health & wellbeing.
If it does. It doesn't. And it is bullshit to put together an argument that is obviously undermined by a bunch of other facts that are conveniently forgotten, creating beliefs that are demonstrably false. I'm not going to countenance deceptive bullshit in the classroom.
Whatever
 

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No, I don't, but that's probably because I live in Holland and drugs aren't really discussed in any decent schools.
 

ShortCommings

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i dont remember being told about how fun drugs were.. all we heard was
'if you take mushrooms your gonna be chase3d down the road by a gient mars bar!'
seriouse =/
 

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"Lol don't do drugs, they're bad and will kill you"

That's pretty much all I ever heard/hear. Seriously, not all drugs are bad. A lot of drugs do more good than bad. If anything, what I hear in school against drugs makes me for them. Which I am for some of them.
 

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The only advice I got on drugs was "DRUGS ARE EVIL AND WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN THEIR SLEEP!" or something to that effect.

It was mainly by my parents actually who both have zero knowledge of narcotics except from what they read in the newspapers, the easily lead people they are.
 

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I grew up in Britain so I am not aware of DARE but after reading some materials, I am not surprised that they failed.

When it comes to sex and drugs, I do not believe in preaching or scare tatcis. But just in giving the facts so children have all the infomation they need about the topics and are able to make a concious choice and deal with the concequences of that choice.

There is a book in Japan called `jisatsu ron`. It is a book about suicide techniques that describes the effectivness, sucess rate, pain, and after effects of popular suicide methods. I think that this helps reduce suicide because it gives people a chance to think about the harm that they are really doing to themselves, without judgement, guilt or persuasion. I think that the same approack should be taken for sex and drugs

I cannot stop my own child taking drugs, but I hope that they know what an overdose is like and what to do in the events of one. Infomation saves more lives than preachy seminaires

I was not given any formal drug education in school. But what put me of drugs in the end was my part time job at the local pharmacy during my first year of Univerisy.

The heroine addicts would come to the pharmacy for some medicine everyday or so (methodone I think). There was one guy, he was always completly out of it and part of his right eye had been eaten away so you could see a lot of black. His skin was red and he just looked awful.

I do not know what did that to him, or even if I was drugs or an unrelated incident. But whenever I am tempted to take drugs, I see that half-eaten eye staring back at me.
 

WeedWorm

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Of course we were lied to, its still lied about today and always will be. They even lie about tobacco and alcohol but nothing is ever mentioned about pharmaceuticals.

Hooray for people realising that the system is bullshit!!
 

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Ever notice how dare only concentrates on Pot? Like weed is the most potent, scary drug out there? PCP doesn't have any effect on you. I just don't like how they choose the drug that really has the least effect on you. How many people have ODed on Pot?
 

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They taught us all about drugs, their effects (good and bad), and the like when I went through DARE in 1988. As a direct result, I spent eight years (starting at age eleven) addicted to amphetamines.

On the bright side, I probably would've dropped out had it not been for the drugs making school more bearable. So kids, remember---do drugs for the sake of your future!
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
Marijuana... not physically addictive.
My mother is a social worker who usually works with drug addicts, and she says marijuana is most definitely addictive. I'm inclined to believe her.
 

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I only felt a little lied to about drugs from D.A.R.E.
The part I fell lied to about was the days they talked about peer pressure for drug use. Maybe it's just the area I live in, in which case they should have told us about the pressures relevant to where we lived.
Basicly they stressed how much pressure, from peers, there would be to use drugs and underage drink. Lets get this clear I am not a drug user. I have been offered drugs and guess what happend when I said I wasn't interested they respected my choice, which the D.A.R.E. guys said wouldn't happen. They teach all these things to say to refuse drugs when in reality you just have to say "no thanks".
 

Shadowfaze

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it means nothing. they told me not take acid. i ignored them, then i locked myself in my room with my typewriter (not my laptop, in case it got broke) and wrote a really wierd story about demons and stuff. it actually got published in a magazine! i was so happy! thank you lucy in the sky with diamonds!
 

CrysisMcGee

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Zetona said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Marijuana... not physically addictive.
My mother is a social worker who usually works with drug addicts, and she says marijuana is most definitely addictive. I'm inclined to believe her.
Phisycally, no, its not addictive. Pyschologicaly, it certainly can be. So your mother is right.