Poll: Do you hate sexy armor on female characters?
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If it still looks practical, then I think it's good. Armor can be formfitting and still work.
The "chainmail bikini" look however, yeah, that doesn't do it for me.
The "chainmail bikini" look however, yeah, that doesn't do it for me.
I think it's rather annoying that male characters tend to be covered in armor, but female characters tend to be wearing bikinis.
I mean, come on, would it hurt to give female characters some dignity?
I mean, come on, would it hurt to give female characters some dignity?
I think the game that struck the best balance between sexy and functional is Guild Wars. There are a few sexy armors for the ladies, but those same armor sets show just as much if not more skin on the gentlemen. And granted, there are a few sexy armors for female characters exclusively, but they're for backline professions that don't really need loads of protection/might light their clothes on fire.
The thing about Sexy armour is that it can be sexy, while also COVERING something. It doesn't have to be a chainmail bikini to be sexy. But apparently, that's all that exists.
If it's a game that isn't focused on being realistic, or outright trying be silly, then it's fine to have "sexy" armors. Women and men. I get boobtastic chicks, women should get muscle bound shirtless dudes. Fair's fair.
On the other hand, if it IS supposed to be a serious affair, then both men and women should be in full plate and helmet. Skyrim does this pretty well.
On the other hand, if it IS supposed to be a serious affair, then both men and women should be in full plate and helmet. Skyrim does this pretty well.
Well the thing is, people shouldn't care so much that a woman wears different armor to a man
Firstly it's a game, and a game in which is aimed at males, will contain less armored females, this is because men like to play games with woman that have less clothes on (most men that is) wether they realise it or not.
It's ridiculous that someone should expect game developers to make their characters wear all the same armor/clothing anyhow, it's their choice and they should be able to portray females how they like, as if they went to far, they wouldn't get many sales, so even if it is sexist, it will show in their sales wether it was or was not wrong.
I think these Politically Correct, 40 year old cat woman should get away from television and games, and stop ruining the fun.
So I would say some times it's good, some times it is bad
Because it can be bad, especially when the artist borders on pornographic images with some of the females armor eg. if she only has armor covering her privates, but areas such as buttocks and boob not including the nipples can be seen.
Firstly it's a game, and a game in which is aimed at males, will contain less armored females, this is because men like to play games with woman that have less clothes on (most men that is) wether they realise it or not.
It's ridiculous that someone should expect game developers to make their characters wear all the same armor/clothing anyhow, it's their choice and they should be able to portray females how they like, as if they went to far, they wouldn't get many sales, so even if it is sexist, it will show in their sales wether it was or was not wrong.
I think these Politically Correct, 40 year old cat woman should get away from television and games, and stop ruining the fun.
So I would say some times it's good, some times it is bad
Because it can be bad, especially when the artist borders on pornographic images with some of the females armor eg. if she only has armor covering her privates, but areas such as buttocks and boob not including the nipples can be seen.
Depends on the game. If it is some kind of fantasy rpg then I probably won't mind because almost nothing in it is realistic. If the game is trying to emulate some level of realism then I would prefer if the armor looked like it will protect. This also includes armor on male characters.
I just want to insert this little bit of information in here.
Most of the medival knight armor isn't defensive because it's really thick metal, it's defensive because of its shape. The large curved breastplate deflects attacks. Thrust attacks from weapons like spears would be difficult because if you didn't get the right angle, the spear would just slide off to the side.
Form fitting plate armor is horrible. The armor with breasts that games have is pretty unrealistic. One well placed thrust to the chest would go through that armor. Also breasts are not shaped to deflect attacks.
This is for plate armor though. Other armors would have to be very thick to defend against attacks, like heavy leather and chainmail combinations.
So yeah, if armor has breasts, chances are it's not very realistic.
With that said, it depends on the game. Like the guy in the first post said, it's context sensitive.
Most of the medival knight armor isn't defensive because it's really thick metal, it's defensive because of its shape. The large curved breastplate deflects attacks. Thrust attacks from weapons like spears would be difficult because if you didn't get the right angle, the spear would just slide off to the side.
Form fitting plate armor is horrible. The armor with breasts that games have is pretty unrealistic. One well placed thrust to the chest would go through that armor. Also breasts are not shaped to deflect attacks.
This is for plate armor though. Other armors would have to be very thick to defend against attacks, like heavy leather and chainmail combinations.
So yeah, if armor has breasts, chances are it's not very realistic.
With that said, it depends on the game. Like the guy in the first post said, it's context sensitive.
I am male, 25, and am not ashamed to say that I like breasts, a tight ass, and a smooth stomach, whether real or made of pixels. So yes, I do enjoy sexy female armor. The real question is: does it belong in video games? The answer to that is: only if there is comparable male armor.
Zhukov said:
The world around the characters and how they would react to it should directly impact how they look as far as fitness, apparel, etc goes.
What really gets me is when there are dozens of completely different people, with varying personalities/backgrounds all dressed the same... and there's no damned dress code! When every man/woman has the same flawless figure and apparel, it's almost desensitizing. It's become the norm for characters to look perfect... anyone who's got a blemish automatically stands out as some sort of 'bad guy' or a war vet who eats nails for breakfast and shits napalm.
I like customizing my characters too - to get a certain look.tharglet said:
But IMO girls take it to a whole different level. "Pointless decorating" is a international female pastime - to the delights of clothes designers' and companies like Ikea's wallets.
Game developers keep complaining they have trouble attracting female players. Well, start by observing what women like to do - or wish they could do, games are after all "wish-fulfillment" to an extend - and give it to them! Men and women are not "the same", they have different interests - despite what feminists like to tell you; observation doesn't correlate with their ideology.
It is difficult to take female (or male) characters seriously if their appearance lack context or believability. For example, the Mass Effect franchise has suffered a great deal from such immature stupidity.
Samara and Miranda are good examples of characters deeply marred by their ridiculous appearance. Samara is supposed to be a Justicar, a position of legal and martial authority. Her appearance doesn't match her personality or position at all. She is chaste and temperate, so why does she look like a prostitute? Ridiculous and unbelievable.
Miranda is supposed to be a tough-as-nails Cerberus officer. Why is she dressed in a skin tight catsuit designed to show off her breasts and ass? Doesn't exactly command respect.. Also, how does one engage in combat while wearing high heels? Is she going to the club after the firefight? Ridiculous and unbelievable.
On the other hand, I thought that Ashley from ME1 was a very believable character. Here is a woman ready to fight, her hair is tied back, she lacks globs of makeup and she is decked out in armor which does not pointlessly emphasize her breasts and ass. It is believable to see her on the battlefield, she looks like a soldier. Although it is perhaps too early to tell, her ME3 redesign looks like a mistake to me. Why did she need a sexy redesgn complete with whorish make-up and catsuit? Kaiden looks exactly the same...double standards?
Arab-Israeli politics aside, you cannot tell me that this real-life Ashley is not sexy, combat gear and all...
Anyways, you know something is wrong when half the female cast shows as much flesh and curves as the stripper NPCs. If characters who are inherently sexual were to dress provocatively during romantic or casual settings, I would have no problem as it would make sense. However, during combat, everyone should be dressed in combat gear, no chainmail bikinis or the sci-fi equivalent.
Samara and Miranda are good examples of characters deeply marred by their ridiculous appearance. Samara is supposed to be a Justicar, a position of legal and martial authority. Her appearance doesn't match her personality or position at all. She is chaste and temperate, so why does she look like a prostitute? Ridiculous and unbelievable.
Miranda is supposed to be a tough-as-nails Cerberus officer. Why is she dressed in a skin tight catsuit designed to show off her breasts and ass? Doesn't exactly command respect.. Also, how does one engage in combat while wearing high heels? Is she going to the club after the firefight? Ridiculous and unbelievable.
On the other hand, I thought that Ashley from ME1 was a very believable character. Here is a woman ready to fight, her hair is tied back, she lacks globs of makeup and she is decked out in armor which does not pointlessly emphasize her breasts and ass. It is believable to see her on the battlefield, she looks like a soldier. Although it is perhaps too early to tell, her ME3 redesign looks like a mistake to me. Why did she need a sexy redesgn complete with whorish make-up and catsuit? Kaiden looks exactly the same...double standards?
Arab-Israeli politics aside, you cannot tell me that this real-life Ashley is not sexy, combat gear and all...
Anyways, you know something is wrong when half the female cast shows as much flesh and curves as the stripper NPCs. If characters who are inherently sexual were to dress provocatively during romantic or casual settings, I would have no problem as it would make sense. However, during combat, everyone should be dressed in combat gear, no chainmail bikinis or the sci-fi equivalent.
Sometimes, yes, and sometimes, no. Like someone else already said, if the game isn't supposed to be taken super seriously, then nah, I don't care if she's got next to nothing for armor. But if it's a serious sort of game, then yes, I think she should wear more armor. But overall, it's just a game. Does it matter that much?
To be honest it seems to me like the females that do wear bikinis in to battle are either overconfident, lack any kind of fear, or both. I think they're going for a celtic warrior angle, the celtic warriors going into battle naked to show the enemy that they have no fear. It is sort of overempowering. Of course the women who do this could also be seen as pretty stupid, going into a fight dressed in metal underwear, but probably only if they don't have any actual battle skills. They could also be doing it because full armor prevents flexibility and can impede movements. That's why nobody wears full armor today, because all someone would have to do to defeat you is knock you down, because the armor would prevent you from getting up.
Then again, the character designers could just be jerking off. Who knows?
Then again, the character designers could just be jerking off. Who knows?
Of course, in some cases, SUCH AS Samara, it fits fine; if you'll recall, Samara is a powerful Asari warrior, and thus has about the same use for armor as Jack. Which is to say, not much, since they can already generate powerful biotic shields that surpass the protection of any armor they might otherwise need to wear. In that light, their lack of armor becomes a more plausible situation. So the sexy female armor CAN be used in played-straight situations on the right characters. It would never have worked on, say, Ashley, from ME1, since she was a Soldier and thus had no special biotic protection.Zhukov said:
That's bull.Zoraste said:
Sure, the existence of biotic barriers explains why Samara (as well as Jack, Jacob, Miranda and Thane) can get away with not wearing heavy armour.
However, it doesn't explain why Samara wears a cleavage suit and high heels into combat. (Ever seen someone try to run in high heels? It's pretty hilarious.) That stuff was there purely for the ostensibly sexy effect. Instead it just makes the character look ridiculous. That's my issue.
Sexy armor is fine and I really don't seem the problem with it. People who want realism in everything should watch a documentary while I enjoy a little escapism. >_>
^This.Zhukov said:
My problem with 'sexy' female armour is not the armour itself, but whether it fits the tone of the piece.
Women walking around in little more than a loincloth and some small frying pans... in a CONAN game? Whatever, fine. They're all barbarians, it's already silly and it doesn't matter.
But in an Elder Scrolls game, or in a Lord of the Rings adaptation? No!! Just... no! It doesn't fit the (relatively-speaking) realistic tone of the rest of the work!
That said,I am generally okay with 'feminine' sculpted chestplates and such. They're still functional and it's likely that modelling in some... 'extra space' as it were... would make it slightly easier to breath than if they'd left the plate flat.
Example (Sorry, don't know how to embed):
http://operatorchan.org/w/src/w19706_CC%20armor%20plate%20breastplate-%20female.jpg
^That sort of thing is fine. It still provides actual defensive capability.