Poll: Do You Prefer Western Animation or Japanese Animation?

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Soviet Heavy

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Thyunda said:
Going off style, I prefer Western animation. The animation just seems somehow weightier. Compare the original Western series of Transformers to the Japanese counterparts. Look at the designs there. The bigger, clunkier builds belonged to the Western animators, while the sleeker, less realistic designs were more prominent in Japanese versions.

However, in theme, I have to go with Japan. For the most part. The West refuses to acknowledge animation as anything more than a vehicle for silly comedy or children's shows, while Japan actually uses them in more imaginative ways.
Perhaps if we could start seeing more mature shows in Western-styled animation, I would be much happier.
You just have to look harder. One of the big things that Western animation has going for it is the Parental Bonus. While most shows are created with children to adolescents in mind, the creators often try to make an effort to appeal to the adults who sit down and watch them with their kids. It's what makes shows like MLP so damn popular.

A couple shows I'd recommend that do this are Star Wars: The Clone Wars, The DC Animated Universe shows, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Cybersix. Definitely look for that last one on Youtube.

It is actually very similar to how anime fans find their shows from Japan. The majority of anime are aimed at children, and the amount of shows aimed at adults is roughly the same as in the West in terms of overall percentage. The only difference is in quantity, where Japan makes a metric fuckton more shows than the West. Both mediums are in the same boat, only with different quantities.

I'm not suggesting you drop anime, but do look for some of the more obscure shows that you might otherwise have ignored. You're bound to find something.
 

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Technicolor said:
Generally Western Animation, while there are anime that I love, such as Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, & Gurren Lagann, they are only a small few.

Most people here will state that "X anime is the best ever!", that maybe so, but sturgeon's law still dictates that 90% of anything is shit, anime being no exception.

Secondly, if you were only talking TV shows then I might side with Japan, but when you say Animation in general, Western Animation has around at least 80 years of history behind it, with many incredible achievements. My favorite trilogy of films is still the Toy Story trilogy.
Comparing anyone against Pixar is unfair... That's like comparing a 9mm to a Nuclear Warhead...

EDIT: Whoops forgot the OT. I'm a huge fan of Anime and Japanese animation, but I grew up with Western animation and it has a very special place in my heart. So I like a mix of both flavors.
 

Lunar Templar

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both, with a leaning toward anime, if only for the fact anime tends to have a story that runs more then one ep, that said, some of my truly all time faves where made state side
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I can handle any sort of animation, depending on how it is presented. Well, I suppose 'presented' isn't the correct word. Basically, if the show is good, I can handle it however it's animated...unless it is animated poorly.

I'm largely an anime fan, so I naturally see a lot of Japanese animation. Birdy the Mighty, Bleach, One Piece, lots of good ones. They are very expressive and stories are well thought out (most of the time. The fillers are sometimes carried out haphazardly).

I've enjoyed a few mixes as well. Teen Titans, the occasional Totally Spies, Avatar: the Last Airbender...Plenty of good stuff with solid stories and humor.

Same with Western animation. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy and Family Guy stick out in my mind. The one problem though is, like Thyunda said, I've only seen in children's shows or the adult satire. It makes me wonder what the U.S.'s opinion of animation really is.
 

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Well I've seen a lot more Eastern animated shows that I like but as far as animated movies go my favorite is American Pop...

Than again Serial Experiments Lain is eastern and it tops my list of greatest things ever... even above gourmet cheeses and flying v's with tremolos...
 

Macgyvercas

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Unless it's by Pixar, western animation doesn't really grab me as much. Even if it is by Pixar, Japanese animation still wins by a longshot.
 

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Western, for sure... there are very few animes that i really like (Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Yu Yu Hakusho, and the original Pokemon series), but even they all lack originality when it comes to art style. damn near every anime looks like its drawn by the same person. and many of them suffer from the same stupid ass cliches, too. people with cat ears, giant water drops running down the backs of peoples heads when they are in disbelief at something, big ass doe-eyes when the character is trying to be adorable or something. it gets irritating after a while.

Cowboy Bebop is the only anime ive seen that isnt guilty of any of those things, and that may be because it was HEAVILY inspired by western culture.
I agree with you on the heavy amount of cliches, but saying all anime art styles are the same is like saying Family Guy and Samurai Jack look the same. What does look the same in anime is the shot composition. Most anime is made to air weekly, for very long seasons, meaning that production costs and time are incredibly short.

What this leads to is corner cutting, which anime developers have perfected into a science. Look at this video, and see how many shots in the second half you've seen in any number of anime.

While the first segment is obviously of a far higher quality than the second, you can still pick apart scenes in each and find they were composed the exact same way. The execution is very formulaic, but both scenes show the difference a budget can make.

Last part, a little history lesson. Anime as a whole was inspired by Disney. The man who created Astro Boy in 1951, Osamu Tezuka, specifically said that his art style was inspired by Disney's animated films. Compare Astro Boy to Disney's Pinocchio (1940.


Specifically in the facial details. Button nose, small mouth, large, innocent eyes, rounded face, big ears.

Early anime was heavily inspired by Disney. Shows like Cowboy Bebop imitating Western Culture can be seen as the cycle coming full circle.
 

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While Japanese animation is bound to be weird, it's easier for me to find something appealing in that basket.
And this is why:
TheLastTatlFan said:
[T]he Japanese seem to take animation more seriously as a medium, whereas here in the west it's seen as a babysitting tool.

I won't say no to an Asterix cartoon, though.
 

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plugav said:
While Japanese animation is bound to be weird, it's easier for me to find something appealing in that basket.
And this is why:
TheLastTatlFan said:
[T]he Japanese seem to take animation more seriously as a medium, whereas here in the west it's seen as a babysitting tool.

I won't say no to an Asterix cartoon, though.
The Asterix cartoons are awesome. Gotta love the french for their strange sense of humor.
 

Thyunda

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Soviet Heavy said:
Thyunda said:
Going off style, I prefer Western animation. The animation just seems somehow weightier. Compare the original Western series of Transformers to the Japanese counterparts. Look at the designs there. The bigger, clunkier builds belonged to the Western animators, while the sleeker, less realistic designs were more prominent in Japanese versions.

However, in theme, I have to go with Japan. For the most part. The West refuses to acknowledge animation as anything more than a vehicle for silly comedy or children's shows, while Japan actually uses them in more imaginative ways.
Perhaps if we could start seeing more mature shows in Western-styled animation, I would be much happier.
You just have to look harder. One of the big things that Western animation has going for it is the Parental Bonus. While most shows are created with children to adolescents in mind, the creators often try to make an effort to appeal to the adults who sit down and watch them with their kids. It's what makes shows like MLP so damn popular.

A couple shows I'd recommend that do this are Star Wars: The Clone Wars, The DC Animated Universe shows, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Cybersix. Definitely look for that last one on Youtube.
Two of those examples are two of my favourite animations ever, conveniently enough. I loved both Avatar and The Clone Wars. I still would love the Clone Wars if I wasn't forcibly moved out.
 

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Western, but only because of how hard the Japanese animations are to watch.

I can only take so much prepubescent boy hero and cheesy crap for so long.

A hibernation of the two would be something like Avatar. That show fucking rocked.
 

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Saying "a mix" is a cop out, so I guess I'm going to say Western, I get exposed to more of it since theres more on tv and I don't have to go looking for whats good. Anime has the advantage of broader target audiences though. I love animation where ever it comes from though, In the future I see France a big name in animation.
 

Nightvalien

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Both, to me fullmetal alchemist brotherhood is one of the best animes ever made, and yet the last air bender it's a great western anime kinda thingie.
 

zehydra

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Western Animation is more fluid and generally more realistic, which is what I prefer.
 

Dr. wonderful

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Both.

Like Thyunda stated with his example (bottem of page 1, last comment) Thewest ONLY think of animation as stupid comedy or kids. while japan have multiple uses for it.

But man oh man do I love it when it's blended together.



Isn't that right, ladies?
 

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Shock and Awe said:
I recently finished watching Avatar: The Last AirBender(yes I know im late) and I thought about how it was kind of a mix of American and Japanese styles of animation and it is probably the best animated series I have ever seen. Then I started to think about which kind of Animation was better in and of itself, and I could not really think of an answer. American animation has a lot more variety in an artistic sense and is often of a lighter tone and has higher production quality. Japanese tends to be of a very high artistic caliber and much more varied topic wise, though it really has awful production quality. In the end I always tended to enjoy american better, partially because in general I liked more shows. What do you guys think? Oh, and one more thing,

I have the complete opposite opinion regarding quality. I think Japanese animation has always been way ahead of Western animation, and still is. This is because Japanese animation has always had three major advantages over Western animation.

One is that art is a fundamental part of their culture. It's a rare Japanese person that can't draw at least somewhat well, and their artists still number 1/3? or so of their population (it used to be 2/3 or so back in the middle of last century). And by artistic population, I mean a family member painted that painting hanging in the hallway of the house or on the wall of a business.

The second advantage is that much Japanese animation is based on original works by independents - the manga -> anime path. This means that you get both genuinely original looks and stories, and while this also means Sturgeon's Law comes into effect, you also get those 10% worth of gems that light up the industry and blow away anything the McAnimators can do.

(I also absolutely love the fact that a would-be manga artist can commit themselves to their dream, do their best at it, walk into a business with their work under their arm, and if it's accepted, start working with professional artists to make it happen. You can't really do that here in America, but to me, that's exactly what the American Dream is supposed to be like. So go mangaka! Show our media industries why closed doors are bad. )

The third advantage is one which Western businesses cannot touch, indeed cannot even understand (although their animators can). It's embodied in a simple phrase: "Pride and Spirit in our work". This is why Japanese animation started showing scenes from different camera angles (which made them draw it from scratch), drawing every movement of folds of clothing and shadows in even simple gestures in non-critical scenes, cranking up the number of frames to really convey the impact of the scene even when they could have gotten away without doing so, etc. They do all of these things because they wanted to be proud of their work and show how much they cared about it. This carries over to voice casting too btw, and voice quality is even more important in animation than in live shows, so there's another advantage.

Meanwhile Western animators (who I believe have always possessed equivalent skills and motivations) were being strangled by managerial budget controls and the lack of a market beyond children. Now they're starting to realize that "if you don't build it, nobody will watch it" and we're seeing some things coming out, but honestly I think we have Pixar to thank for breaking that ice.

Edit: and I have to say, you might want to check out the making of Avatar. It's mostly overseas animation work and written/directed by Western people who were heavily influenced by popular animes, to the point where they made their staff watch them ;)
 

Innegativeion

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A Mix.

Anime and western animation have fed each other for years. As a matter of fact, astro boy, largely considered one of the first anime ever, had its animation style directly influenced by Walt Disney and Betty Boop.

Soviet Heavy said:
Last part, a little history lesson. Anime as a whole was inspired by Disney. The man who created Astro Boy in 1951, Osamu Tezuka, specifically said that his art style was inspired by Disney's animated films. Compare Astro Boy to Disney's Pinocchio (1940.

Specifically in the facial details. Button nose, small mouth, large, innocent eyes, rounded face, big ears.

Early anime was heavily inspired by Disney. Shows like Cowboy Bebop imitating Western Culture can be seen as the cycle coming full circle.
Aww, beat me to it.