Poll: Do You Prefer Western Animation or Japanese Animation?

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Soviet Heavy

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Innegativeion said:
A Mix.

Anime and western animation have fed each other for years. As a matter of fact, astro boy, largely considered one of the first anime ever, had its animation style directly influenced by Walt Disney and Betty Boop.
Very true. Like I showed in my above comparison between Astro Boy and Pinocchio, the resemblances are shockingly alike. Western shows adopting Anime-esque designs, and Anime adopting Western tropes are just an evolution of the relationship between the two mediums.
 

MaxwellEdison

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I don't care at all.
If you use the medium you're operating in well, then it's good.
I do hate these discussions, though.
 

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Shock and Awe said:
I recently finished watching Avatar: The Last AirBender(yes I know im late) and I thought about how it was kind of a mix of American and Japanese styles of animation and it is probably the best animated series I have ever seen,.
Well someone hasn't seen Wakfu yet. :p
 

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Western, but only because of how hard the Japanese animations are to watch.

I can only take so much prepubescent boy hero and cheesy crap for so long.

A hibernation of the two would be something like Avatar. That show fucking rocked.
Some that are easy to watch and have little to none of that - Last Exile, GITS:SAC 1, Cowboy Bebop, and Black Lagoon. Moribito was beautiful and a good story too, but slower paced than us Westerners are used to.
 

ZeroMachine

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The cartoons I've liked the look of the most are Animes... but, there are plenty of animes I'd trade in for a western cartoon anyday.

So, as with everything under the sun, it all depends.
 

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Overall Japanese...Just cause they can be more serious about the animation and create them with dark, emotional and more psychological themes rather then having them reserved for children (like western animations)......Don't get me wrong! I love my western cartoons too! But I feel like their more for children instead of being created specifically for people my age like japanese animations.
 

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Honestly, the animation style has nothing to do with what tradition it was animated in. I'm more interested in whether the movie or TV show is good.

Movie-wise, I like Pixar, Miyazaki, and Satoshi Kon. But that has more to do with the movies themselves and less to do with how they were animated.

TV-wise, I can't stand the vast majority of animated shows, period. You will find the odd South Park, Ghost in the Shell, Avatar, or Paranoia Agent in there, but Sturgeon's Law is definitely working overtime for TV in both genres because of time constraints.
 

iDoom46

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Sorry, I'm an animation student, so this is gonna get kinda long....

If you asked me this just two or three years ago, I would have probably said Japanese.

However, since then Japanese animes have been continuously undercutting my expectations and disappointing me, while Western animation has thrived and continues to outdo my expectations.
That's not to say I don't like Japanese anime anymore. Give me a Gainax, Ghibli, or Production I.G. anime and I'll be just as happy as I would wit any other show/movie.

It just seems to me that, at this point in time, anime has hit a sort of roadblock. They seem to have run out of steam and are just going by what's worked in the past. A lot of the content seems to be stagnating, and it seems like its getting harder and harder to find quality gems amongst the same tired tropes and plot rehashes.
On the other hand, Western animation seems to be getting a well-needed breath of new life. After the dismal past few years (pretty much most of the mid-2000's), I've seen a real big influx in great new programs over the past 2-3 years. The industry is getting fresh blood, new ideas.

Another point I'd like to bring up is the difference between the content and approaches to animation:
Anime use a lot more cheap animation tricks than the west, whether its using animation loops for extended periods of time, slow pans over unmoving artwork, excessive flashbacks, lazy lip-synching (I'm aware that it makes it easier to dub over, but that doesn't make it less lazy), and a general lower Frames-Per-Second rate than Western animation.

-There's also a trick I'd like to point out for all you action anime fans: Most anime action sequences revolve around long standoffs and quick bursts of action for a reason- the faster the movement, the less frames you have to use and the easier it is to animate.
Contrast that with Avatar: TLA, a western animated action series stylized like Japanese anime, where they, instead, used constant action sequences with breaks in slo-mo, which actually take more frames than regular animation and are, thus, harder to animate.-

I'm not saying Western animation isn't prone to taking the cheap way out, oh no. I'm just calling attention to the fact that the use of these tricks are far more prevalent in Japanese anime.

There's also the issue of what is being animated. Next time you're watching anything animated, Eastern or Western it doesn't matter, I want you to ask yourself "why is this a cartoon?"
I think you'll find, far more often than not, most anime could just as easily work as a live action show (and probably run just about the same budgets). The fact is, a lot of Japanese anime don't really take full advantage of the fact that they are, in fact, animated. They focus too much on realism which, while it isn't a bad thing (sure, its great for "look at how well I've learned human anatomy!", if you do it well enough), but it isn't really what animation is there for. And with special effects at the point they've reached these days, even action shows like Naruto and Bleach would work in live action.

In fact, the only Japanese animes I'd say outright actually take full advantage of the medium, offhand, would be FLCL, Panty & Stocking, One Piece, and Tatami Galaxy (look it up).
On the other hand, the list of Western cartoons that could also work as live action shows is far shorter (I dare you to try to wrap your head around a live action Adventure Time!), and even those series, like Futurama, South Park, and Family Guy, always make a point to incorporate jokes and elements that could only work in a cartoon.

There's also the point you mentioned about Western animation being far more varied, stylistically, than Japanese anime. I think its that similar style that is part of what gives most anime their sameness, while western cartoons are constantly changing their looks, so even rehashed stories feel fresh and new.
 

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Western animation mostly.

Though I do enjoy a few anime.
It's just the art style of Japanese animation that throws me off. The fucking eyes, man. The fawkin eyesss.
 

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I went with Japanese tho I do like both quite alot. But I would never sit down when I'm sick or just feeling lazy and watch Family Guy, The Simpsons, or South Park all day I would go with an Anime. I want something with a continual story and leaves me with a feeling of "what's going to happen next" and actually draws my interest.

Not a big fan of watching GI Joe or Transformers or Spiderman they are directed to much at kids for me to want to watch at my age. However movies Pixar does a good job I rather enjoy their movies but I'm mainly talking about shows not movies since there's not much to compare Western with Eastern in that department.

Just last week I watched all 11 episodes of Eden of the East in 2 1/2 days with going to school and playing disc golf with my friends each day but at the end of the day I just wanted to sit back and find out what was going to happen with Takezawa and the other 11 Selesau. (by the way if you haven't seen Eden of the East yet, which it seems alot haven't, it is very interesting and good I'd strongly recommend it to anyone that likes Death Note or Code Geass first 2 episodes make it seem like a sort of love type anime but trust me it gets much better it's on Netflix instant queue now and been on several websites for awhile.)

<completely offtopic... I LOLed at the new code of conduct when first thing is FLAMING don't call anyone names not even a troll then the second thing was NO TROLLING>
 

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xerounlimited said:
A mix of both, but if I had to pick one it would be Japanese. Maybe because I do tend to like serious show more (and some of the novelty of it coming from a different culture) which I usually can't get from western animation. I mean, would we really see anything like 'Neon Genesis Evangelion' coming from the west? But my problem with these is, the humor. It may be a cultural difference, but I simply don't find many of the jokes in such shows funny (Well, 'Soul Eater's' Excalibur segments being an exception).

But on the other hand, I love a lot of the humor from western animation, even the children's shows. Like I love both the style and comedy of 'Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends' which has me wanting to check out the 'My Little Pony' cartoon. And if we can count CG, no one beats Pixar, that's just a given. Still there's is the problem of there not being many cartoons based on an actual serious narrative, especially for older viewers.

So in all truth both are a mixed bag.
Pretty much this, I mean the humor of anime is kind of awkward because the difference in cultures and I can't really deal with these newer shows crappier comedy thats not funny at all. Story wise anime is obviously better because thats the base of anime and never was a strong point in wester animation. But when I've come home and just need to relax some Ren and Stimpy or Pinky and the Brain is highly welcome.
 

Soviet Heavy

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I think people here are over generalizing what encompasses each medium, namely that all cartoons that are not comedies are kid based, and that all anime appeal to adults.

Kid friendly and adult intensive shows do not need to be mutually exclusive. Look at The Clone Wars. Big explosions for kids, and sometimes vicious plots like terrorist bombings for adults.
 

Tanis

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As long as the animation is good, I really don't care.

That being said most animation is actually DONE in Asian.
 

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RUINER ACTUAL said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
RUINER ACTUAL said:
PIXAR

'nuff said
That hardly covers the topic of "animation."
How? Pixar IS animation. It's what they do. And they're a western company, I think I have my bases covered for this topic. I'm talking about animation, you're talking about cartoons.
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Animation - the rapid display of a sequence of images of 2-D or 3-D artwork or model positions in order to create an illusion of movement.


Now that we know the definition of Animation let's take it apart.

Animation - (This covers both 2D and 3D but we'll get to that in a moment) the rapid display of a sequence of images of 2-D or 3-D artwork or model positions (This means both cartoons and 3D models) in order to create an illusion of movement. (This is usually done with a 3D animation program like PMG Messiah, or with drawn animation using "persistence of vision."


Now that we fully understand the basics of animation let's look at the list of animators I provided.

Hayao Miyazaki
Don Bluth
Genndy Tartakovsky
John Lasseter
Lauren Faust


John Lasseter... Man that name sounds familiar... Where have I heard that...
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Ohhhh... He's the guy who runs Pixar that's right.


Now it's a well known fact that Miyazaki and Lasseter are friends and Lasseter praises Miyazaki's work quite often on both a story basis and on an animation basis.
But wait, doesn't Miyazaki do 2D animation?
Why yes, he does and it's beautiful animation

Hey hasn't there been a kids show that's taken the internet by storm recently?
Yes, it's called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
Wow, isn't the animation in that show amazing? You know I bet it'd be really boring if it was a bunch of still images instead of being animated.



Have I made my point yet? There's no difference to 2D animation and 3D animation and calling one
"animation," and another plainly as "cartoons" just shows you don't have respect for another persons hard work. Hell if it wasn't for 2D animation we wouldn't have 3D animation.


Honestly I don't know how I can make my point any clearer than how it is now; animation covers both 2D and 3D.
I'm not trying to come off as a prick, honest but as someone who is just about to graduate with a degree for animation it really ticks me off when people don't show respect for an entire section of animation.
 

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I prefer Japanese, but I won't say no to a well written Western show. The thing is anime tends to be more "adult". While Western shows can be written with adults in mind, Avatar being a brilliant example, they always have to be kid friendly, since in Western culture generally animation is seen as for kids. That can be part of the charm though, and was one of the reasons I loved Avatar as much as I did. And look at shows like My Little Pony or Adventure Time.
Anime though, can be written specifically for adults, and as such can deal with more mature themes and all that stuff. Which is why I chose Japanese. After all, the themes and narrative in Deathnote wouldn't be touched by a Western animation, because of this prevalent idea that animated shows are just for kids.
 

MrNickster

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Japanimation looks like bad stop motion animation-Jerky. It's like someone randomly went through and removed half the frames. That and there is exactly one way of drawing people, whil Western animation has a lot.
 

Smertnik

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Japanese all the way. I absolutely can't stand Western cartoons, both animation and content wise. But that could be because Western cartoons are almost always aimed only at kids, while anime target pretty much most of the audiences. I love the variety anime offer.

Although come to think of it, I still love the old Russian cartoons, so I guess the reason for my dislike of Western stuff is more the actual animation style. Everything is kinda boring and uninspiring, even the Disney stuff, Pixar being an exception.