Poll: Does Santa Claus exist? More importantly, what will you tell your children?

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I'm Jewish, so I'm just going to say no.

mydogisblue said:
Also I have to ask, where the hell did Santa come from? I mean, how could anyone think that a fat guy in a red suit would be relevant to the birth of Jesus?
I actually learned this from Colbert. anyway, a dutch legend of a guy names Sinterklaus, who'd put fruits and nuts in your shoes if you were good, or have his elves kidnap you if you weren't.
 

The Iron Ninja

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Well I look at it this way:

If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa does exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys Santa"


If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa doesn't exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys dad."

Seems a pretty easy decision, either you can put all the love they feel towards something imaginary, or you can put it towards yourself.

mydogisblue said:
Also I have to ask, where the hell did Santa come from? I mean, how could anyone think that a fat guy in a red suit would be relevant to the birth of Jesus?
The jolly red suit version of Santa was invented by Coca-Cola, hence the colours.
And it has pretty much nothing to do with Jesus, but I never viewed christmas as anything to do with Jesus anyway, it was more of a "let's get the whole family together" sort of holiday.
 

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sequio said:
Ultrajoe said:
Don't tell children that Santa exists?

You'd do less harm not teaching them to read.
huh?? I don't see how they equate?
Both are important means of raising children, cultural vehicles, a way of easing children into reality.

Do we start teaching children with calculus? No, we teach them to circle pictures of flowers and bunnies... which has about as much to do with the 'reality' of mathematics as Santa does to the real world. Yes, its a lie, but if you wanted to cut 'lies' from education you'd need to eradicate half of our existing syllabus.

Lies to build understanding and truths are natural and essential.

I, personally, won't cut the benefits of santa, along with the happiness he brings from any child's life.
 

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orannis62 said:
I'm Jewish, so I'm just going to say no.

mydogisblue said:
Also I have to ask, where the hell did Santa come from? I mean, how could anyone think that a fat guy in a red suit would be relevant to the birth of Jesus?
I actually learned this from Colbert. anyway, a dutch legend of a guy names Sinterklaus, who'd put fruits and nuts in your shoes if you were good, or have his elves kidnap you if you weren't.
His current image. (Jolly fat bloke in a red suit-thingy) was created by Coca-Cola
 

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The Iron Ninja said:
Well I look at it this way:

If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa does exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys Santa"


If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa doesn't exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys dad."

Seems a pretty easy decision, either you can put all the love they feel towards something imaginary, or you can put it towards yourself.
/thread for common sense
 

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orannis62 said:
I actually learned this from Colbert. anyway, a dutch legend of a guy names Sinterklaus, who'd put fruits and nuts in your shoes if you were good, or have his elves kidnap you if you weren't.
Well Sinterklaas is based on a real person, Saint Nicholas, who lived in modern-day Turkey in about 340AD. He became the Patron Saint of children, and some Roman Catholics actually celebrate "Saint Nicholas' Day" on the 6th of December.

Protestants took Saint Nick and mixed Christmas Day and Saint Nicholas' Day into one event. Then the poem The Night Before Christmas took the red robed, red mitered, white horse riding saint and turned him into the Santa Claus image we know of today, with his 8 reindeer and his hohohos

edit: you are right about the elves though, originally Saint Nicholas's legends were quite cruel, as most catholic legends are, and Saint Nicholas was used as a means of making children behave. He would take children away who were bad, and give cookies and candies to children who were good, and the kids would put hay in their shoes for Saint Nicholas's Horse.
 

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There's a certain magic about Christmas that exists for children (and people who haven't had their soul crushed by life). This begins with Santa as the symbol of that magical hope. Without him, it kind of losses meaning and just sinks into another materialistic corporate plot for cash. Its the essence and purity of the holiday that I would like to convey to my children and I think Santa will aid me in that.

Also, the idea of Santa first appeared in "A visit from St. Nicholas" by Clement Clarke Moore(most likely). Santa's image comes from department stores, I believe that Macy's or JCPenny's is responsible for creating the image that is associated with modern Santa. I also fell the need to say that Rudolph was invented by a guy in Montgomery Ward.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
I also will not let my child sit on a strange man in a suits lap until the shopping center in question shows me proof he's not a pedophile. I am not taking any chances with my children.

Come to think of it, telling my kids that a fat man in a red suit is always watching you, and once a year breaks into your house and watches you sleep might not be such a good idea.
that's fine, but if your kids ruin my kids whimsy I'll come to your house ankickurass! ;)
 

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The Iron Ninja said:
Well I look at it this way:

If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa does exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys Santa"


If I tell any of my Ninjalings that Santa doesn't exist
"Gee whiz, thanks for all the cool toys dad."

Seems a pretty easy decision, either you can put all the love they feel towards something imaginary, or you can put it towards yourself.
Have Santa give them small gifts, while you give them the big cool ones they really want.
I do plan on telling my kids he's real, it's just one of those childhood things.
 

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I'm sorry but I fail to understand what your saying.

When you tell your kids about santa then they find out later hes not real what is it they have learned? That a fundamental truth in their life is a lie and that their parents don't feel the need to be honest with them? Its psychologically damaging.

Sure you teach your kids from the ground up but don't lie to them. That just teaches them that their parents are going to screw them over like everyone else. Santa serves no real purpose other than marketing and serving as a secular symbol of Christmas. You don't gain anything by telling lies to your kids, ever.
 

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Ok, heres the deal. I'm just about as cynical as they come. I hate nearly everything and everything pisses me off.

this is exactly the last thing i want my children to turn into. My children will learn about Santa in their own time. I won't lie to them when they come out with the "is santa real" question, because they will grow up with inquisitive minds.
 

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Even though this proves that 'St. Nick' doesn't exist, I will still tell my children he does, for the same reason as
Altorin said:
My kids will be excited for santa claus and all that fun stuff, because I want them to be happy when they're little, while being happy is easy.. Seeing my kids be happy will make me happy.
Anyways, here's this.

There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the population reference bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming there is at least one good child in each.
Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get onto the next house.

Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are not talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks.

This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second - 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a pokey 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized LEGO set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that flying reindeer can pull 10 times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them -Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).

A mass of nearly 600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reaches the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,000 g's.

A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim considering all the high calorie snacks he must have consumed over the years) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo. Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. MERRY CHISTMAS!!!
 

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Souplex said:
You are missing the not christian option.
Doesn't the "No" option sort of cover it?

Besides, Santa has about as much to do with Christianity as The world has to do with the world series of baseball.
 

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LewsTherin said:
I'll tell them the truth and then explain what Christmas is REALLY about.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=boondocks+christmas&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
"Actually, Christmas is a Peagan holiday and Jesus prolly hates you for celebrating it."
 

Altorin

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Indigo_Dingo said:
Altorin said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
I also will not let my child sit on a strange man in a suits lap until the shopping center in question shows me proof he's not a pedophile. I am not taking any chances with my children.

Come to think of it, telling my kids that a fat man in a red suit is always watching you, and once a year breaks into your house and watches you sleep might not be such a good idea.
that's fine, but if your kids ruin my kids whimsy I'll come to your house ankickurass! ;)
My kid could kick your ass.
not if I'm driving and he's not he couldn't.

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