Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?

[HobbesMkii]

In order to sum up why I think the game retailers do this I submit this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtEp5yc-g3A

While it's a) about auto insurance, and b) comedy I think it makes a pretty good point about why companies make the assumptions that dukeh016 is talking about.

Also, I think it's rather foolish to go "People who are 8-15 know what's best for 8-15 year olds because they're more connected with them." It's akin to saying "People who are 90-100 know what's best for 90-100 year olds, even if they are senile and can only remember the good ole days."

We have no idea what's best for ourselves. There's a whole field in business of consultants, who are hired simply to point out the problems other companies have made and suggest solutions. If we could go "well, I know what's best for me, and no one else has a valid point because they're not me" jobs like that wouldn't exist. Human beings are unfit to govern themselves, but they are fit to govern others.

 

[fluffylandmine]

ok i don't quite get what's necessarirly wrong here with objectiveism, teens with their angst, and the philisophical mumbo-jumbo bull shit.

sure i believe most philophsy is total bs and that you can't generalize rarely anything

also a on page 8 he said it would be interesting to discuss

and Saevus is an asshat.

what we need to think about is the specific senarios, a13-16 year old with all signs of excellent mental health wants to buy COD4, fine. a 13-16 year old sociopath wants to buy COD4, get the hell out of my store. A pre-teen wants COD4, go get a Wii.

If it wern't for idiots we would only use ratings as guidlines, but sociopaths and idiots only do things that are bad and ocasionally do something funny so that they can get a generic bacon flavored snack.

what i'm trying to say is sociopaths and idiots shouldn't even be playing Wii games for fear of an accident, or a crime.

so to all idiots and looneys, shape up or your goming to be locked up one day and be sodemized by Cleetus, who is in jail just because it feels right.

with that being anyone with a lesser IQ cannot sue for any reason. because if so we would all be broke, and idiots would...control even more of society than they already do.

God, buddah, allah, hindu super team, and sience, dave the son of clutototo help us all.


also all hail hobbs and s0deone!

 

[some random guy]

Assumption within the law are necessary to protect people and maintain order. Making assumptions about me and being so certain about me when you hardly know anything about me is completely unnecessary.
How is "life is tough" justification for being nasty?

 

[s0denone]

ok i don't quite get what's necessarirly wrong here with objectiveism, teens with their angst, and the philisophical mumbo-jumbo bull shit.

sure i believe most philophsy is total bs and that you can't generalize rarely anything

also a on page 8 he said it would be interesting to discuss

and Saevus is an asshat.

what we need to think about is the specific senarios, a13-16 year old with all signs of excellent mental health wants to buy COD4, fine. a 13-16 year old sociopath wants to buy COD4, get the hell out of my store. A pre-teen wants COD4, go get a Wii.

If it wern't for idiots we would only use ratings as guidlines, but sociopaths and idiots only do things that are bad and ocasionally do something funny so that they can get a generic bacon flavored snack.

what i'm trying to say is sociopaths and idiots shouldn't even be playing Wii games for fear of an accident, or a crime.

so to all idiots and looneys, shape up or your goming to be locked up one day and be sodemized by Cleetus, who is in jail just because it feels right.

with that being anyone with a lesser IQ cannot sue for any reason. because if so we would all be broke, and idiots would...control even more of society than they already do.

God, buddah, allah, hindu super team, and sience, dave the son of clutototo help us all.

I was JUST about to go mental about your spelling, when the bolded statement appeared. You are officially excused.

Also: I can't really get if you are serious in your post, or not, since you seem serious at first, but then switch into THE TWILIGHT ZONE.

If you're serious, you raise some good points, if you're not, you're a half-wit.

Again, this isn't really a general discussion about stores restricting purchases anymore, but more a such general discussion, albeit only in America.

 

[Saevus]

and Saevus is an asshat.

D'awwww, wuv you too.

In order to sum up why I think the game retailers do this I submit this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtEp5yc-g3A

While it's a) about auto insurance, and b) comedy I think it makes a pretty good point about why companies make the assumptions that dukeh016 is talking about.

That pretty much sums it up. Everyone wants to make a profit, and to do that, you have to minimize risks. Insurance company or BestBuy, you have to balance that risk - and enough people have found that the balance means, in the domain of retailing games, that the gains from regulating sales are greater than the risks. It's arbitrary, presumptuous, and it works. The world is a shitty place.

Assumption within the law are necessary to protect people and maintain order. Making assumptions about me and being so certain about me when you hardly know anything about me is completely unnecessary.
How is "life is tough" justification for being nasty?

See above. No one has the time nor does anyone really care about YOU. They care about your demographic, and they act accordingly.

 

[DeadlyFred]

I think the main point that Colton is trying to make in this thread is that it is the PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY to monitor the purchases of games of their children (even movies or music) and NOT the stores. I agree 100%.

But allow me to reiterate for those watching at home: parents are the ones who lobbied for this shit in the first place. So yeah we see the point in that idyllic notion of how things should work but its just not applicable because that's not how things actually work.

 

[Gapperjack]

Wow, thanks one and all for that thread. I've just had a great 30 minutes reading through and laughing myself silly. Oh, and massuh is officially the new Colton.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

Comedy gold.

 

[dukeh016]

Regardless of what you say, chances are that "Some Random Guy" is closer to people that are between 8 and 15 years old, and thus he DOES have SIGNIFICANTLY MORE insight into this matter than you have.

You may be right that he is ignorant, but you are quite the ignorant yourself. While I'm sure this comes as no surprise, and you knew that bloody well when you wrote your post aswell.

You generalize from your own experience, experiences you recall from when you were 14 years old. Some Random Guy is 14 right at this moment, the youth has changes alot in the last 10+ years (Excuse me if I am far off with this assumption about your age) and as such any experience you may or may not recall, are invalid one way or another.

Besides the fact that you don't know jack shit about Some Random Guy, or anyone he knows

So...let me get this straight. Please, I'm just dumb and uneducated enough that I might not catch this. Your argument is that since I'm not 14, I don't understand what its like to be 14. Because 14 year olds are much different than they were 10 years ago. Is that right?

So you knew what it was like to be 14 10 years ago and what its like to be 14 now? And you really think its changed that much? Even if no law has changed, no scientific opinion has changed, and no business has changed? Listen, I'm quite happy to embrace my ignorance. That's why I listen to the people that probably aren't ignorant. Like scientists, government officials, and business leaders.

This is silliness. It really is. And interestingly enough, this post doesn't even respond to my points;
a) Assumptions about age are unavoidably necessary. Sorry gang.
b) Everyone is impressionable, but kids are especially. Again, I'm sorry that you find this to be harsh.

In fact, the great point here seems to be that I could never understand how kids have changed over the past 10 years, and I should just wallow in ignorance about the topic. Well, sure. I don't know what its like to be 14 years old right now. But you didn't know what it was like to be 14 5 years ago. You assumed things are different. Just like I assumed they stayed the same. The difference? The fact that no laws have changed, no science has changed, no business has changed. Stunningly enough, teenagers are still angsty, irresponsible, and rebellious. This argument is the equivalent of "You don't understand me" yelled at the top of someone's lungs as they storm off into their room.

My point? If you want the respect of the rest of the adult world, act like an adult. Perhaps at that point someone will look past your age. I never said a 14 year old couldn't be as mature as the average 25 year old. I just thought it be highly unlikely for very justifiable reasons, and I also think it would be silliness for the world to start assuming that 14 year olds are adults because a couple are mature.

This is way too harsh to even have a chance of actually affecting a 14 year old mind, isn't it? Ah well. Suppose I acted the same way.

 

[s0denone]

My point? If you want the respect of the rest of the adult world, act like an adult. Perhaps at that point someone will look past your age. I never said a 14 year old couldn't be as mature as the average 25 year old. I just thought it be highly unlikely for very justifiable reasons, and I also think it would be silliness for the world to start assuming that 14 year olds are adults because a couple are mature.

This is way too harsh to even have a chance of actually affecting a 14 year old mind, isn't it? Ah well. Suppose I acted the same way.

An ironic statement, which I'm sure you also know The fact that had "Some Random Guy" not shed light on his actual age, this so-called "Debate" wouldn't have come to be in the first place, as you would have no idea what his actual age was, only your own perception of his written word - Which can be very misleading.

You're quite right about everything you say, sorry for not commenting in detail, my previous post didn't carry any weight with it to stand it's ground, and it's been torn to pieces, salute.

 

[massuh]

Wow, thanks one and all for that thread. I've just had a great 30 minutes reading through and laughing myself silly. Oh, and massuh is officially the new Colton.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

Comedy gold.

I don't get the point in your comment. I think you bring nothing to the table here. It looks like you tried to say hey look massuh is saying stupid things. Which I'm not.
Again i cant really argue with you beacuse I live in frinikg south america and my parents don't give shit about me and I was raised by the damn discovery channel.
I don't know what you are trying to say about me being the new colton. I frankly don't get it.
Please explain yourself with a valid opinion or just shut up.

And I don't know if it means something to you but the fact that I'm 16 years old and I speak three languages says something

 

[some random guy]

OK, assuming things at first are forgivable but why are you acting as if the assumptions that you are making are undeniably true? If you're going to make assumptions and stereotype, at least except that they could be wrong.

edit:
Also, you say that I need to act like an adult to be respected in the adult world. What am I doing wrong and why do I need to act significantly older than my actual age to prevent you lot from calling me ignorant, impressionable and other unnecessary insults?

 

[Saevus]

Wow, thanks one and all for that thread. I've just had a great 30 minutes reading through and laughing myself silly. Oh, and massuh is officially the new Colton.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

Comedy gold.

I don't get the point in your comment. I think you bring nothing to the table here. It looks like you tried to say hey look massuh is saying stupid things. Which I'm not.
Again i cant really argue with you beacuse I live in frinikg south america and my parents don't give shit about me and I was raised by the damn discovery channel.
I don't know what you are trying to say about me being the new colton. I frankly don't get it.
Please explain yourself with a valid opinion or just shut up.

Personally, I'll accept that things work much, much differently where you live - but the specific focus of this thread is North America, particularly America and the policies of American stores (which are mirrored in Canada, from my experience).

 

[bubbaroark0451]

AYN RAND!!! WOOT!!

 

[Saevus]

OK, assuming things at first are forgivable but why are you acting as if the assumptions that you are making are undeniably true? If you're going to make assumptions and stereotype, at least except that they could be wrong.

edit:
Also, you say that I need to act like an adult to be respected in the adult world. What am I doing wrong and why do I need to act significantly older than my actual age to prevent you lot from calling me ignorant, impressionable and other unnecessary insults?

You've answered your own question, really. Look through your dialogue with that fellow and examine it very carefully. If nothing about it jumps out at you, well... You'll understand when you're older. Trite but true, even here.

 

[fluffylandmine]

ok i don't quite get what's necessarirly wrong here with objectiveism, teens with their angst, and the philisophical mumbo-jumbo bull shit.

sure i believe most philophsy is total bs and that you can't generalize rarely anything

also a on page 8 he said it would be interesting to discuss

and Saevus is an asshat.

what we need to think about is the specific senarios, a13-16 year old with all signs of excellent mental health wants to buy COD4, fine. a 13-16 year old sociopath wants to buy COD4, get the hell out of my store. A pre-teen wants COD4, go get a Wii.

If it wern't for idiots we would only use ratings as guidlines, but sociopaths and idiots only do things that are bad and ocasionally do something funny so that they can get a generic bacon flavored snack.

what i'm trying to say is sociopaths and idiots shouldn't even be playing Wii games for fear of an accident, or a crime.

so to all idiots and looneys, shape up or your goming to be locked up one day and be sodemized by Cleetus, who is in jail just because it feels right.

with that being anyone with a lesser IQ cannot sue for any reason. because if so we would all be broke, and idiots would...control even more of society than they already do.

God, buddah, allah, hindu super team, and sience, dave the son of clutototo help us all.

I was JUST about to go mental about your spelling, when the bolded statement appeared. You are officially excused.

Also: I can't really get if you are serious in your post, or not, since you seem serious at first, but then switch into THE TWILIGHT ZONE.

If you're serious, you raise some good points, if you're not, you're a half-wit.

Again, this isn't really a general discussion about stores restricting purchases anymore, but more a such general discussion, albeit only in America.

i was being serious with a bitof natural insanity to a point where i'm funny but not a cat/cop killa. and i don't spellcheck unless i'm graded.

also i believe you have a very respectable insight as to the whole discussion in general.

 

[fluffylandmine]

and Saevus is an asshat.

D'awwww, wuv you too.

In order to sum up why I think the game retailers do this I submit this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtEp5yc-g3A

While it's a) about auto insurance, and b) comedy I think it makes a pretty good point about why companies make the assumptions that dukeh016 is talking about.

That pretty much sums it up. Everyone wants to make a profit, and to do that, you have to minimize risks. Insurance company or BestBuy, you have to balance that risk - and enough people have found that the balance means, in the domain of retailing games, that the gains from regulating sales are greater than the risks. It's arbitrary, presumptuous, and it works. The world is a shitty place.

Assumption within the law are necessary to protect people and maintain order. Making assumptions about me and being so certain about me when you hardly know anything about me is completely unnecessary.
How is "life is tough" justification for being nasty?

See above. No one has the time nor does anyone really care about YOU. They care about your demographic, and they act accordingly.

thanks to what you said(not concerning me)i would like to retract the statement and move you to people i can respect

 

[xMacx]

Dukeh016, you don't know me, have never met me and you don't know much about me. I may not know much but you cannot tell me that I'm impressionable based completely on my age. The assumption that everyone my age is impressionable and gives in to peer pressure is incorrect and I find those kind of ideas irritating.

the quandary there, of course, is that if you are impressionable, you're probably not aware of it. You would just think you stumbled on the next great idea, or agree strongly with another's idea. You probably won't know whether you were or not until you (gulp) get older.

Did I think I was impressionable in my teens? Absolutely not, I was an independent thinker, with my own impressions and beliefs!

Was I impressionable? Absolutely! From my fashion to my thoughts, I had an ear to the pulse of whatever I thought was important. So if you're playing the odds, its' not a bad assumption to make.

Besides, neurological evidence suggests that some of the areas of your brain responsible for abstract decision making, risk taking ability, etc. usually aren't fully developed in your teens. Prior thinking was 18, though recent research suggests some parts of the brain don't full develop until 25.

So maybe saying teens don't possess their full faculties isn't such a leap. I'd rather put my faith in that than

"Dukeh016, you don't know me!"

 

[xMacx]

and Jeffers points were great.

You should have to put your age in this thread when you post.

 

[buggy65]

wow... i can't believe i come back after 24 hours and his ass-thread is still rolling...
congrats guys, you could have done something productive instead... ^.^'

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

They're not doing it for your sake, they're doing it for their own sake. As stupid as it may be, if a parent sued Best Buy for selling a violent video game to a child, the parent would probably win.

There's no way in hell that a parent would win such a lawsuit (in america at least). But the lawsuit isn't necessary in order for Best Buy to get bad PR.

Best Buy caters to the family market and they want to gain the trust of parents by adhereing to the ESRB and resrticting sales. It is really as simple as that.