Poll: Equal Rights for Smokers

[Stalk3rchief]

Honestly, I'm torn on this subject. I've always been a straight edge guy, but I don't think smoking is some kind of punishable sin. Anything that keeps people from picking up smoking is great, but we can't punish people based on their lifestyle.
Seriously, what the hell?
These are human beings, although I hate this race and everyone in it, I don't think it's right to make someone who smokes wait in line behind, say, someone who ate themselves into poor health.
Gah, I'm babbling. Look what you made me do.

 

[Venatio]

Personally I dont know why anyone would smoke, a healthy pare of lungs can fetch a good price on the balckmarket. Why would anyone want to ruin something that valuable?

Anyways, I guess they deserve treatment as well. Besides, the Fast Food industry likely costs us more in Healthcare than the Tobacco industry. So many obese people with diabetes, and they "did this to themselves" as one may quote.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

A person trying to kill themselves is usually not in the right state of mind to be able to judge what is best for themselves, especially in the case of a healthy young person. Euthanasia on the other hand is an entirely different kettle of fish. Suicide should definitely be prevented at all costs, no matter what the individual may feel.

You seem to have gotten me before my chronic re-editing hit. Yes there is usually something wrong with people to drive them to such extremes and can be avoided with the right intervention (one recent memorable case could have been avoided if there was proper involvement by British law enforcement.)

What do you mean about Euthanasia? Are you referring to doctor-assisted suicide? I didn't know that was still legal.

 

[JanatUrlich]

You seem to have gotten me before my chronic re-editing hit. Yes there is usually something wrong with people to drive them to such extremes and can be avoided with the right intervention (one recent memorable case could have been avoided if there was proper involvement by British law enforcement.)

What do you mean about Euthanasia? Are you referring to doctor-assisted suicide? I didn't know that was still legal.

Haha unfortunately it's not legal D= and yeah it's doctor-assisted suicide. There's just been a load of discussion in the UK at the moment as the laws about euthanasia have been altered slightly

 

[TheLefty]

That is possibly one the worst structured arguments I've ever heard.

Also, bring back smoking in clubs/pubs ands such. This whole anti-smoking thing is getting out of hand.

Maybe it's just me but I like being able to eat a peaceful meal without the terrible smell of cigarette smoke.

As much as I hate smoking I have to agree that as suicidal as they are they still need help.

Go to a normal restaurant then.

Also, I'm not suicidal, I love life. Are alcohol drinkers suicidal? Are fat people suicidal? Eh?

That was supposed to change the subject but OK. You've got me at people who drink alcohol excessively but there are a lot of people who don't it's takes a lot for simply being fat to be that harmful on someones health.

 

[Ninja_X]

Oh yeah:

FACT: More people die from alcohol-related deaths than from tobacco-related deaths.

FACT: More health problems are cause by drinking than by smoking.

FACT: Drinking and driving kills people every day, smoking and driving doesn't.

Just because alcohol is also bad for you doesn't let smoking off the hook.

 

[RollForInitiative]

It's my CHOICE to fill my lungs with this shit, and as long as I'm not filling yours with it too, then what's the problem?

Therein lies the problem. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I'm a heavy drinker*. You can't accidentally drink something that I'm consuming -- not without the most bizarrely comedic of circumstances -- but everybody in the vicinity of a smoker is easily affected.

Personally, I think it's a disgusting habit, but I have no issues with people smoking as long as they're not doing it where it will affect me. Live and let live, just stay away from me. =)

* I'm not, so I don't advocate that either.

 

[Ninja_X]

It's my CHOICE to fill my lungs with this shit, and as long as I'm not filling yours with it too, then what's the problem?

Therein lies the problem. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I'm a heavy drinker*. You can't accidentally drink something that I'm consuming -- not without the most bizarrely comedic of circumstances -- but everybody in the vicinity of a smoker is easily affected.

Personally, I think it's a disgusting habit, but I have no issues with people smoking as long as they're not doing it where it will affect me. Live and let live, just stay away from me. =)

* I'm not, so I don't advocate that either.

This.

As long as you ARE only killing yourself its fine.

But It should be a crime to do it around your kids, its just wrong.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

That was supposed to change the subject but OK. You've got me at people who drink alcohol excessively but there are a lot of people who don't it's takes a lot for simply being fat to be that harmful on someones health.

Being fat is harmful to your health. That's a fact. Also, I mentioned it because a lot of people get a lot of shit for being smokers, yet it seems to be completely taboo to tell someone who is fat to get off his ass and start exercising.

And don't give me any of that "it's genetic" crap.

 

[THAC0]

It's my CHOICE to fill my lungs with this shit, and as long as I'm not filling yours with it too, then what's the problem?

Therein lies the problem. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I'm a heavy drinker*. You can't accidentally drink something that I'm consuming -- not without the most bizarrely comedic of circumstances -- but everybody in the vicinity of a smoker is easily affected.

Personally, I think it's a disgusting habit, but I have no issues with people smoking as long as they're not doing it where it will affect me. Live and let live, just stay away from me. =)

* I'm not, so I don't advocate that either.

agreed.

people smoke and hurt everyone around them, even the ones that chose not to smoke. People who work around smokers suffer for it, the children of parents who smoke suffer for it, and random passers by suffer for it.

Your "right" to put what ever you like in your body ends as soon as it comes close to entering my body. I see it as a form of assault and will respond accordingly.

 

[chronobreak]

It isn't right to just say all bars have to be non-smoking. It should be up to the owner to determine that. If you don't smoke, you wouldn't go to the smoking bar. If you do, you would. There should be a choice.

 

[KaZZaP]

Ya! Don't help fat people having a heart attack either!

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Smokers do pay for the healthcare that they may or may not need.

Have you seen how much tax is on cigarettes and tobacco?

Agreed! Smokers pay for their healthcare in their own way, it's just easy demonizing.

Personally I thought you were talking about Anti-Smoking legislation, which brings about the idea of "choice theft" but if we punish people for a few life choices by denying them healthcare... well... that's a dark, dark path to go down.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

Well, if smokers get no help, then neither should: Drinkers, self mutilators, people attempting suicide, injured athletes, and anyone else who even remotely puts themselves in harm's way.

 

[fulano]

It's not that they shouldn't get health care, but rather that since they pollute the environment thay inhabit whenever they smoke, and it hightens the chances of you getting cancer from inhaling their second hand smoke if you are around, they should at least pay higher taxes for acquiring their cigarretes.

Makes sense to me.

 

[NOT WILL]

That is possibly one the worst structured arguments I've ever heard.

Also, bring back smoking in clubs/pubs ands such. This whole anti-smoking thing is getting out of hand.

hell yeah in my hometown there is a ciagar night in a club where they get to smoke cigars and they can`t because no smoking in public places

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Haha unfortunately it's not legal D= and yeah it's doctor-assisted suicide. There's just been a load of discussion in the UK at the moment as the laws about euthanasia have been altered slightly

Now you're just being confusing.

Some light research shows it's legal in some of the western United States (though complex.) Also apparently in some cases, signing a DNR order can constitute a suicide.

 

[JanatUrlich]

Now you're just being confusing.

Some light research shows it's legal in some of the western United States (though complex.) Also apparently in some cases, signing a DNR order can constitute a suicide.

I meant that it's illegal in the UK. It's legal in quite a few states in the US, isn't it? And Sweden has that death clinic thing. Basically I think euthanasia is a good idea, but you should be over a certain age and there should be as much evidence as possible provided to show that the person definitely does want to kill themselves.

Although I'm not sure where I stand if the patient is unable to decide for themselves whether or not they want to be euthanised.

Haha we've gone slightly off topic here!

 

[WeevilStew]

The way I look at it is this. Smokers know what they are getting into. Its not like its any surprise that smoking is bad for you. They should have to deal with the consequences of their actions. If it costs them more to see a doctor for their smoking-related illnesses, so be it. That's what they get. And before you jump down my throat, let me tell you, I am a smoker. I know what I am doing to myself, and I know how hard it is to quit. I don't deserve special treatment because I am fully aware of the damage I am doing to myself. Maybe I'll quit one day, and maybe I won't. Either way, others shouldn't have to pay for MY mistakes.