Poll: Evolution Yay or Nah?
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People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
If you say "I believe in/accept De-Evolution", you can just take the "de" off. You accept evolution. Same with Micro/Macro of what have you. And "believe" isn't the right word. Accept is better. You don't believe in it, you merely accept the evidence that it happens. Evolution is a FACT and A THEORY. The fact is, it happens. The theory explains how.
Seriously? Six percent does not accept this theory?
Blegh. Why are people arguing against a non-controversial theory? It's stupid, annoying and makes me want to hit stuff.
Blegh. Why are people arguing against a non-controversial theory? It's stupid, annoying and makes me want to hit stuff.
Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
Neither am I, actually! (Writer, tbh, and my degree is in English). But I paid attention in college, and continue to read science blogs like The Panda's Thumb and Pharyngula.octafish said:Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
Because it is controversial? If it challenges someone's beliefs, then it must be controversial. And hitting stuff never helps. It just results in property damage or arrest.Alleged_Alec said:
I'm a scientist! well... an aspiring one... In my 4th year in a biotechnology and chemical engineering courseLadyRhian said:Neither am I, actually! (Writer, tbh, and my degree is in English). But I paid attention in college, and continue to read science blogs like The Panda's Thumb and Pharyngula.octafish said:Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
stupid question. everyone knows that steve jobs and superman went to mars 11 billion years ago and cloned everything there, then began placing the random organisms on earth for centuries when one species starts getting too smart. then when the dinosaurs started getting too out of control to handle,they made the stock market literally crash into the earth. then superman used his heat vision to take out the ozone layer to win a bet against al gore. and that is history, my friends, you're welcome. oh wait, now i know what you're thinking, superman and steve jobs couldn't have gone to mars 11 billion years ago, our sun is only six billion years old. well, i have news for you. CARL SAGAN LIED. AND DON'T ARGUE WITH ME OVER WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY STUFF. OR I'LL FIND YOU. AND EDUCATE YOU. WITH MY FISTS. EVERYTHING IS INFINITY YEARS OLD. THAT IS TATOOED ON MY FISTS. BUT NOT MY HANDS. IT KIND OF HURT. I DIDN'T ABBREVIATE AT ALL
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Now that's just not true. We know, pretty much for a fact, that gravity (at least within our local system) is quite real. Sure, Newton wasn't exactly right, and by Voyager's crazy path neither was Einstein, but its still there... which ties into the real problem with gravity.LadyRhian said:
We know its there but we have no idea how it works or why... kinda like mass. We postulate about these super particles (graviton for gravity, higgs for the higgs mechanism for mass) but we can never find them... and the other explanations are just as cooky.
I feel that gravity is on a whole different scale from evolution. You can look in a dish of bacteria and observe evolution in a few days/weeks/months. You can look at something falling and call it gravity... but what happens at a light years distance? Or beyond? Interactions? Gravity is such a fuddled up mess.
I agree that evolution is fact! The idea of directional selection where a species most appropriately adapted to the environment survives and passes on its genes, such as if an ice age were to occur. Then all the rabbits with lots of white fur would survive. Where as the short furred brown rabbits would probs die out due to freezing or the inability to hide from predators. it just makes to much sense not to be true.
Jack the Potato said:
That's not controversial, it just means those beliefs don't hold up any more. Scientific consensus is so much in favour of this theory that only a couple of loons like the discovery institute do not believe in it, and they only do that for ideological reasons. And guess what? Science doesn't care about whether you believe in the Bible or not.
And, as I may have said before, I want to hit stuff now because this debate is so stupid. I've studied biology for over two years now. I can explain what makes this theory accepted by the community but whenever I try to do that, some moron is going to 'herpderp' all over it with arguments like "it's just a theory" and "my mother wasn't a monkey" and "if evolution is true, where's the crocoduck". And somehow MORE THAN ONE IN TWENTY believes the same as this guy.
i find it actually really, really sad that this question has to be asked.
it seems to be mostly an amiercan thing though. if someone here tried to tell people that there is no evolution, he would be treated in the same manner as someone who sais that the world is a flat disc. as mentally ill.
it seems to be mostly an amiercan thing though. if someone here tried to tell people that there is no evolution, he would be treated in the same manner as someone who sais that the world is a flat disc. as mentally ill.
This shit again? at least let a month go bye before making the same thread topic. I know you atheists get a big rubbery hate boner every time you get the chance to belittle anyone with an opinion that differs from your own, and forgive me if I've grown tired of every other thread being another atheist circle jerk about evolution, but please for the love of emptiness give it a break. I promise if you pray to nothing long enough the topic will come up again just be patient; you WILL get another chance to wow us with your imaginary phd in all things science.