Poll: Farewell Pokemon: A poll to stop the abuse

[xyrafhoan]

The beauty of Pokemon:

1. It's accessible. Anyone can play it. You could understand nothing about the gameplay or story but still win the game, and that's important for kids. You know, the obvious audience of these games.

2. Even though it's a kid's game, it doesn't feel the need to be shit. A lot of games for kids have awful controls and tons of bugs, because they know kids will run out to buy anything branded with their favourite franchise. Pokemon games are quality, even if they feel like rehashes to anyone who has played the games for over a decade.

3. The game is competitive and full of math and we know how much geeks love pouring over number formulas in their attempts to breed the ultimate beast into existence. Every new game shakes up the metagame and keeps the game competitive, much like buying a new Call of Duty. The basics are the same, but the underlying mechanics attempt to rebalance everything.

So I argue well-paced Pokemon installments are always welcome. Just make sure that the releases are at least far enough apart so I can forget what I just did in the last generation of Pokemon games.

 

[chris89300]

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

 

[Buizel91]

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

...

i think i just lost the will to live...

 

[Bluesclues]

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

Umm...Japan isn't part of Europe...

 

[chris89300]

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

...

i think i just lost the will to live...

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

Umm...Japan isn't part of Europe...

Exactly my point. Saying that it's Japanese when I said it was asian was pointless. But, credit is still due, I don't know of any asian country that's more fucked up than Japan, so I would basically be insulting the rest of Asia. Sure, they've got some nice stuff, like technology and a certain lasting culture but the shit they market ... Like the weird shit fetish porn (y'know, the porn where people shit on each other). I mean come on ... Am I the only one thinking it's fucked up?

 

[kickyourass]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

You sir have summed up my feelings of Pokemon beautifully. They should definitely keep it since a Nintendo without Pokemon is like a Nintendo without Mario as far as I'm concerned, but the desperatly need to make something actually NEW for once, like with Zelda when they made Wind Waker.

 

[Buizel91]

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

...

i think i just lost the will to live...

A couple of weeks ago I saw some Pokemon merchandise at that mall and I thought to myself "What the fuck?! How come this shit's still around?!".

I haven't watched Pokemon since I turned like 10 (almost 21 now). Are people still into this creepy asian shit after SO long?

It's Japanese...

Which would make it what? European?

Umm...Japan isn't part of Europe...

Exactly my point. Saying that it's Japanese when I said it was asian was pointless. But, credit is still due, I don't know of any asian country that's more fucked up than Japan, so I would basically be insulting the rest of Asia. Sure, they've got some nice stuff, like technology and a certain lasting culture but the shit they market ... Like the weird shit fetish porn (y'know, the porn where people shit on each other). I mean come on ... Am I the only one thinking it's fucked up?

My bad...my geography is terrible =(

 

[Bluesclues]

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Oh, my bad, didn't know that's what you were trying to say... xP

 

[chris89300]

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Oh, my bad, didn't know that's what you were trying to say... xP

I think it's called sarcasm ... can't remember tho

 

[Jake the Snake]

Everyone, lets face it: Nintendo needs to take pokemon out back behind the shed, put the muzzle to its head and whisper their teary eyed goodbyes to the most abused and over-marketed series they have (next to, of course, the dried up burlap sack of a whore that is Mario). yes, thats a yahtzee quote. sue me.

The games really are just the same thing over and over and over. Minor changes shouldn't warrant a whole new game that is barely the least bit different. The entire draw of pokemon is the pokemon, and if the pokemon are lame now, the games have less value. Its getting bland and tasteless. FIf you've seen any of the pokemon from black and white, then you know what I mean. They have gotten just ridiculous.

Also, the show: ridiculous. Yes, i know its all about the money, i get it, but...
Its just way too bogus already. Even if it is for 10 yr old kids, its just sooooo lame. Just... something... new! ANd the games? I'm just so tired of the fact that they will never stop making new pokemon, never stop making new, horrendous games, and honestly, just cause somethings popular doesn't mean it in the right. Popular bullshit is still bullshit.
Oh, and when i mean end it, i mean just stop making more and more ridiculous pokemon, and more and more bogus stories, so just stop while your ahead (sorta). If you can try and change it up, good luck and i hope it doesn't suck... but:

Nintendo, I beg you, just end it.

Wow, that was so whiny the voice reading it in my head was pissing me off. Jesus, how old are you?

Pokemon is a franchise for kids. Get the fuck over it. Why are you even watching the anime anyway? You aren't going to like it because you ARENT THE TARGET AUDIENCE. That's like expecting a 30 year old to be entertained by Dora the Explorer.

Stop relying on nostalgia to instantly brand the whole franchise crap. There's shitty and awesome pokemon in each generation. Bidoof? Stupid. Lucario? Cool. Mr. Mime? Dumb as fuck. Charizard? Amazing. Do you get my point here? And why the hell do you want them to stop making pokemon anyway? Without the amount that we had, there'd be no choice or diversity in teams. I'm sorry but 150 really isn't enough to satisfy anyone. Everyone would have the same fucking Gyrados or Starmie or Blastoise, The same fucking Bellsprout or Oddish. Oh and you want a ghost type? Sorry there's only 1 so if you want one, you're all going to have to use Gengar.

The new stories aren't bogus. Do you know how incoherent the story was in Red and Blue? Fight an occasional grunt here, fight the boss a few times, end game. Admit it, when you were a kid, you barely even payed attention to what characters were saying because you had a limited reading ability. Heaven forbid the game actually TRIES to have a storyline.

So basically, get your head out of your ass and start trying to actually ENJOY a franchise you allegedly love in the first place. Either that or stop buying the games. No one is forcing you to play. But wait? You still love them don't you? Despite the "bogus, repetitive" gameplay where "nothing changes" you still buy the new games each generation because you enjoy playing the games. Otherwise, why would you even care what Nintendo (and actually its Gamefreak who makes all the pokemon and shit) does to the series.

Everyone please: Stop these "bogus" crying nostalgia threads. Nobody. Fucking. Cares.

 

[JoJo]

I, like millions of others, personally love the pokemon franchise. Why end it when so many people still get enjoyment out of it?

 

[Kyman102]

You know what bugs me the most about this thread? How severe it was. If it was something like this:

"Hey everybody! I think Black/White is going to suck and I'm sure not going to pay for it. Who's with me?!"

Okay, with that, I understand it. I'd nod, maybe mention that I think the franchise has only been going up, but ultimately it wouldn't bother you.

But you guys want to end a franchise still running strong, getting better with each generation, building an amazing world and inspiring whole generations of kids into other RPGs. That's too far. You can't demand something end when there's so much appreciation for it (High or Perfect stores in Japan, and I'm sure almost 3 million units have been sold by now), that's just selfish.

If you think it's gone to shit, I can't change your opinion. But don't ruin MY fun because you don't like where it's going. Just do what I did with Sonic. Roll your eyes and walk away. If you want, keep track of what's coming out and form opinions on where you think it's going to go, but don't demand that it end forever.

But you want it to end, and spoil a lot of fun for young kids who want their pokemon damnit, and us older fans who, well, want their new pokemon damnit. So I'll make an attempt to appeal to decency. Please, stop trying to ruin our fun.

You can go on to play other RPGs, there's millions of them. If you want something stratagy-related, try Fire Emblem. If you want a well-made traditional JRPG with surprisingly likable characters, try Lost Odyssey (Well, I liked it anyway). If you want something that's really challanging, try the Etrian Odyssey series.

You can ignore Pokemon's imaginary downward spiral, while I'll be exploring Isshu with my new little Smugleaf, whom I'll probably name something like Remington for smuggness, or Vimes for the coolest Duke in literature.

/Rant

 

[ilspooner]

Wtf? Why? No seriously, why? This isn't some literary masterpiece that we have come to respect and love only to be bastardized by future generations. It's freakin' Pokemon.

I hate people who make this arguement. Seriously.

Because its fairly obvious that you have not played Pokemon since Gold/Silver, and are judging hte new Pokemon based soley on the fact that the new ones arent the old ones...

IF you actually played the game, you would realize each generation adds new mechanics, and betters the game play (both metagame and competitive). Its not the old Rock/Paper/Scizors bs, its gotten a lot more complicated since then.

And the fact that they are constantly making new Pokemon, and finding ways to spark interest with old ones, as well as encouraging new strategies and gameplay styles, I fail to see how they are stagnant.

I mean, for fucks sake. Major mechanic innovations each generation isnt something we ask from ANY of our milked franchises. So when one actually does do it, its considered "milked" just because it has appeal to kids.

Usually I see two sides of a story, but no. In this case, no. If were bitching about innovation in a industry known for its lack of it, then you need to just go play whatever generic first person shooter you think "changed the face of the gaming industry".

THIS. Omg this. I mean, can you give me a more cohesive and thought out argument other than "It's not the same as it was in my childhood and I hate it!" First off, not true; it's changed, just not the way you wanted it. Second, who cares? Kids still LOVE IT, and for every new generation of Pokemon they invent, there is a new generation of kids that fall in love with it. Is it really that you hate where Pokemon is headed, or did you just grow out of it? Geez, I see no reason to this thread...if you got your way, the BEST that would happen is a bunch of kids would be upset because their beloved show/game is gone forever, and a bunch of old farts (hey, that's you!) will rejoice because "Thank God that game is gone! You kids don't understand, in the good old days, it was blah blah blah blah blaaaaahhh." So congrats on making little kids cry.

Um... dude? An old fart? I'm 16. yeah. yes i'm a little nostalgic if a 16 year old can be, but thats not the point. It just suck ridiculous balls. the black and white pokemon just look waaaaay to, well, stupid! How many species of animal are there in the world? thousands. hundreds of thousands. and they make a fucking rooster in pants or a grass snake made of plants (clever, huh?) that has leaves for limbs (snake with limbs?). Wtf?
some of the legendaries are just obscenely out of scope for the actual material. This is a freaking trading card game people. it's just about becoming the master and defeating the elite for, and catching an training your pokepals. it shouldn't have to save the damn world, let alone the universe. think yu-gi-oh. pokemon is nearing that
And honestly, what little kid is gonna be DESTROYED by pokemon ending? There's so much pokemon, they won't miss potenial new bullshit, and will not care that it stopped. are you just devastated after you finally beat a really good game like half-life or something? your disappointed that its over but the ride was more then worth it.
Let it end for the sack of how undeserving the new shit is of its popularity

Are you serious? Some kids are really looking forwards to Black and White. Sure, they won't be destroyed, but they would be very upset. This is a kids game remember? Sure, as I said before, some look stupid, but some look really cool.

 

[Nazulu]

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Yeah, I knew you would respond like a troll. I guess it's a little of my fault since your so sensitive on such a unimportant matter.

Oh, and I didn't read any of that crap you wrote, just the first sentence tells me this is a battle for the last word.

No offense, but you need to relax, friend. I've been reading a lot of the comments between you two, and imo, the only one acting "like a troll" is you, really. The guy has been patient enough to read your posts and provide constructive counter arguments, and you just brush his posts off and call him a troll and basically say "im right and you're wrong" not cool, man. Not cool.

He made no constructive counter argument, just repeated himself and frankly I was sick of it.

IMO you have no idea.

Don't look under the Bridge, it's where people like the Above live

Oh look! A hypocrite.

 

[Flying-Emu]

You obviously have no idea of the depth of Pokemon and the growth it has experienced over the past ten years.

http://www.smogon.com/

Go, my child, and feel your ignorance lifted. Pokemon has evolved exponentially since Red/Blue/Yellow were introduced to America, and you should feel ASHAMED for wishing to tear down this ultra-competitive community.

I will beat you into the floor with my Pokemon team. I've been playing since day one, and I'll be playing until they shovel the dirt into my eyes.

 

[Buizel91]

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Yeah, I knew you would respond like a troll. I guess it's a little of my fault since your so sensitive on such a unimportant matter.

Oh, and I didn't read any of that crap you wrote, just the first sentence tells me this is a battle for the last word.

No offense, but you need to relax, friend. I've been reading a lot of the comments between you two, and imo, the only one acting "like a troll" is you, really. The guy has been patient enough to read your posts and provide constructive counter arguments, and you just brush his posts off and call him a troll and basically say "im right and you're wrong" not cool, man. Not cool.

He made no constructive counter argument, just repeated himself and frankly I was sick of it.

IMO you have no idea.

Don't look under the Bridge, it's where people like the Above live

Oh look! A hypocrite.

Did you just call me a troll?? *Laughs really hard*

I am anything but a troll, i think many people on this thread have agreed that you are the troll.

 

[Nazulu]

Did you just call me a troll?? *Laughs really hard*

I am anything but a troll, i think many people on this thread have agreed that you are the troll.

*Laughs as well*

Well yeah, your calling everyone a troll you disagree with. You did it to get a reaction and now here it is.

Do you know why this thread hasn't been locked yet? Because there is nothing wrong with it. I can tell your a big fanboy but this shit is not on.

The argument I had with the guy named after a funny flash cartoon was trying tell me to convey my argument in a more friendly manner towards the franchise, I told him many times it's not going to happen. Then he tried to tell me it's not allowed but that's a load of crap. I've been attacking franchises in a aggresive manor ever since I came to the Escapist but only in threads based on that. You've seen threads like 'what game do you hate?' and others that are similiar, all about bashing stuff but they never get locked do they? I didn't say 'all fans are stupid for liking the franchise', just agreed with the OP and that's it.

Then Blue Clues started repeating himself so I got down to the nitty gritty and he still repeated himself, like the more he says it the more chance I'm going to give in. The whole thing is stupid anyway, I feel like I'm defending my right to free speech which is rediculous. So in the end it was really just a battle for the last word.

Let me say this again, it's just a game/thread, there is no need to get annoyed over someone elses opinion of it because it doesn't matter in the end. Is my opinion stopping you from having fun with the games? Well, is it? If it is then you must be pretty insecure with your own opinion.

I never meant to hurt anyones feelings, that was not my aim. If I am quoted to be insulted, threatened or told of, then I am going to use it against them because I hate being attacked and I will defend my ground.

 

[Get_A_Grip_]

Nintendo should also kill Mario while they are at it.

 

[Buizel91]

Did you just call me a troll?? *Laughs really hard*

I am anything but a troll, i think many people on this thread have agreed that you are the troll.

*Laughs as well*

Well yeah, your calling everyone a troll you disagree with. You did it to get a reaction and now here it is.

Do you know why this thread hasn't been locked yet? Because there is nothing wrong with it. I can tell your a big fanboy but this shit is not on.

The argument I had with the guy named after a funny flash cartoon was trying tell me to convey my argument in a more friendly manner towards the franchise, I told him many times it's not going to happen. Then he tried to tell me it's not allowed but that's a load of crap. I've been attacking franchises in a aggresive manor ever since I came to the Escapist but only in threads based on that. You've seen threads like 'what game do you hate?' and others that are similiar, all about bashing stuff but they never get locked do they? I didn't say 'all fans are stupid for liking the franchise', just agreed with the OP and that's it.

Then Blue Clues started repeating himself so I got down to the nitty gritty and he still repeated himself, like the more he says it the more chance I'm going to give in. The whole thing is stupid anyway, I feel like I'm defending my right to free speech which is rediculous. So in the end it was really just a battle for the last word.

Let me say this again, it's just a game/thread, there is no need to get annoyed over someone elses opinion of it because it doesn't matter in the end. Is my opinion stopping you from having fun with the games? Well, is it? If it is then you must be pretty insecure with your own opinion.

I never meant to hurt anyones feelings, that was not my aim. If I am quoted to be insulted, threatened or told of, then I am going to use it against them because I hate being attacked and I will defend my ground.

You really can not read can you?

We are fine he has his own opinion, but their was NO REASON to start this thread when it has been DONE BEFORE hundreds of times. If he wanted to express his opinion, why couldn't he have posted in that instead of starting a thread where arguments like this will happen?

And why attack the franchise for seemingly no reason? See this is why you get called a troll, unless you have a valid point, their is no need and this is why people get pissed off.

Yeh i admit, im a fan of Pokemon and will defend it, but i understand other peoples points. If you only like Red/Blue/Yellow, fair enough, but don't blast the rest of the games just because they are "different".

And acctualy i don't call "everyone" a troll, the only times i have is on this thread and even then that was twice. =S

Really i do hate arguments (I'm acctualy sick to death of them) but like you i also defend my ground, and calling me a troll is obviously going to get a response. If i was a troll, i would admit it like they all do, i however, don't because i know i am not one. Hell check through my other posts if you don't believe me!

 

[Nazulu]

Did you just call me a troll?? *Laughs really hard*

I am anything but a troll, i think many people on this thread have agreed that you are the troll.

*Laughs as well*

Well yeah, your calling everyone a troll you disagree with. You did it to get a reaction and now here it is.

Do you know why this thread hasn't been locked yet? Because there is nothing wrong with it. I can tell your a big fanboy but this shit is not on.

The argument I had with the guy named after a funny flash cartoon was trying tell me to convey my argument in a more friendly manner towards the franchise, I told him many times it's not going to happen. Then he tried to tell me it's not allowed but that's a load of crap. I've been attacking franchises in a aggresive manor ever since I came to the Escapist but only in threads based on that. You've seen threads like 'what game do you hate?' and others that are similiar, all about bashing stuff but they never get locked do they? I didn't say 'all fans are stupid for liking the franchise', just agreed with the OP and that's it.

Then Blue Clues started repeating himself so I got down to the nitty gritty and he still repeated himself, like the more he says it the more chance I'm going to give in. The whole thing is stupid anyway, I feel like I'm defending my right to free speech which is rediculous. So in the end it was really just a battle for the last word.

Let me say this again, it's just a game/thread, there is no need to get annoyed over someone elses opinion of it because it doesn't matter in the end. Is my opinion stopping you from having fun with the games? Well, is it? If it is then you must be pretty insecure with your own opinion.

I never meant to hurt anyones feelings, that was not my aim. If I am quoted to be insulted, threatened or told of, then I am going to use it against them because I hate being attacked and I will defend my ground.

You really can not read can you?

We are fine he has his own opinion, but their was NO REASON to start this thread when it has been DONE BEFORE hundreds of times. If he wanted to express his opinion, why couldn't he have posted in that instead of starting a thread where arguments like this will happen?

And acctualy i don't call "everyone" a troll, the only times i have is on this thread and even then that was twice =S

Really i do hate arguments (I'm acctualy sick to death of them) but like you i also defend my ground, and calling me a troll is obviously going to get a response. If i was a troll, i would admit it like they all do, i however, don't because i know i am not one. Hell check through my other posts if you don't believe me!

No I can read just fine. I remember you didn't like the OPs first comment but that doesn't matter anymore.

The last thread similiar to this was on the 30th of May (that I could find). That's awhile a go considering that the new designs were just revealed recently. And it's better to start a new thread because most people only read up to the first 2 pages, so he wants it to be fresh.

If it was too early it would've been locked, happens all the time because most people can't be bothered searching. Did you report him at least?

Any way, I'm sorry for calling you a troll. I don't know if this whole argument was even worth the trouble, unfortunatly it was inevitable.

You know, you were 100% right. The flame did come. =P