Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[Hagi]

And this is why I sometimes hate laws. Things should be judged on a case-by-case basis. I have no doubt that he wanted the sex, I mean good heavens he's a teenager, legal definitions be damned. There is no real victim in this case. It's absolutely mind boggling for me as a foreigner that, for the law over there, this case is pretty much identical to plain rape.

And that's exactly why those laws are there. Because he's a teenager. Because he's just thinking about the next 5 minutes completely disregarding any long term consequences.

Is he smart and mature enough to remember a condom?
Is he smart and mature enough to take STDs into account?
Is he smart and mature enough to know what he needs to know about pregnancies?
Is he smart and mature enough to oversee the emotional effects this will have on him?
Is he smart and mature enough to know what to do if, even with precautions taken, the girl gets pregnant?
Is he smart and mature enough to know what is and what is not appropriate in public settings?
etc.
etc.
etc.

Sex has consequences, whether we like it or not. Bad things can and do happen from sex, even if at the time both parties wanted it.

And most people below the age of consent aren't mature enough to deal with those consequences in a responsible manner or to learn from the mistakes they inevitably make.

For the same reason we prohibit minors from alcohol we also prohibit them from having sex. Because both are great on the short-term but can have very large consequences on the long term. And minors generally aren't mature enough to take those long term consequences into account, because they're physically unable to at the stage of brain development that they're at. Not to mention the hormones raging in their brain during puberty.

 

[ShadowKatt]

I have a better idea. Skip the rehab. Skip the jail. Execute her. One bullet, one wall, one second.

If this had been a 20 year old man and a 14 year old girl this whole forum would be calling for nothing less, so I'm going to stand up as the pillar of pure, unfeeling, unflinching equality. She's a pedophile at best, a repeat sexual offender at worst, and society would be better off rid of her.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Voted other. As in suspended sentence, but addition to the register for sometime. Whatever would be done if the genders were reversed. No, double standards.

But this is tough, as I wanted to sleep with all my female babysitters, though did not have one at that age, so it would have been even worse....

 

[Puzzlenaut]

Even if it was a man who was the adult, the age gap is only 6 years -- actually closer to 5 years, and these things are always circumstantial. If the minor felt that they had been taken advantage of, then yeah, she should be tried for sexual assault of a minor or w/e, but as it is, they were both willing, the kid didn't even want to report her.

These things are always circumstantial -- she was barely more than a kid herself.

A lot of people seem to scream for her blood stating the double-standard of genders in these sort of cases: Yes, there is a societal double standard between the genders when it comes to sex offences, however this is not without reason: however much we pretend we are, men and women are not the same, and how sex works on the most basic anatomic level means that men are almost always going to be the advantage-takers in most situations, if there is one that is.

 

[Killertje]

[sarcasm] So the mother of the 14y old boy wants to sue the babysitter for messing with her property? I'd say put the mother in jail for slavery. [/sarcasm]

As for the babysitter: If the boy is happy about what happened why should anyone else have a problem with it, if he isn't charge her with rape.

 

[Vrach]

Consentual sex, no crime here as far as I can see. No, not saying it because she's hot and not saying it because the younger person is a male. I know girls who've had sex at that age with a guy who was 19, big whoop, they both wanted it, it's their choice.

The crime was statutory rape the boy was 14 and thus under the age of consent.

Thanks for telling me what I already know, it doesn't change the fact that I don't see it as a crime or something at all bad. If she got him drunk/incapacitated or otherwise raped him, it'd be wrong, yes, but I am of the opinion that a 14 year old human being has more than enough reason in them to make a decision of whether or not they wanna have sex.

 

[spartandude]

seriously, get that kid a medal. he got game.

yh, that picture was hot

 

[RevRaptor]

Yes it was most deferentially consensual, the boy would have been just as keen for it as the baby sitter but it is still sex with a minor and that boys and girls is clearly against the law. There is a good reason why the age of consent laws exist. You really can't blame the boy for getting some but she should have known better and acted like an adult. She willingly broke the law so I see no problem with her getting jail time and if I knew of a 19 year old guy having sex with a 14 year old I would report him to the cops. I've seen situations like that go very bad and the aftermath can be devastating for the young girl and I use the word girl deliberately 14 is too young boy or girl. It's wrong both morally and legally anyone who would have sex with a minor is scum in my books.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

They should just be separated. That's it. No Trial. No Rehab. Nothing.

Why? Cause the kid clearly consented to fucking her. Those of you saying this is sexual "abuse": Shut the fuck up. He wasn't "abused". I'd put money on it.

And I guess the girl either felt okay with giving a kid what he wanted and/or maybe even fancied younger men. What's the big deal with that? TONS of women are infatuated with younger men-
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*Ahem, sorry that was a very loud cough. Damn cold.

At age 14, you can't consent to sex in the United States. Sleeping with a minor when you're not a minor is statutory rape and that alone is a serious crime. That's ignoring the fact that she gave alcohol to a minor with the intent of clouding his mental judgement (Which is a serious crime of itself).

 

[Cowabungaa]

What the kid thinks is irrelevant he?s still a minor so can?t give consent.

Hence why I said "definition of the law be damned." the law does not dictate human behavior (if you know what I mean), it does not suddenly make it impossible for this teenager to want that sex.

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Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not approving of this, oh no most definitely not. I'm just saying that it was very stupid, but not nearly as stupid enough to legally treat that girl the same way as a freakin' rapist. Separate them, get that girl counceling, that sort of thing. I mean, she's barely out of her teens as well, jailtime and a criminal record would get her and that kid nowhere.

If he'd be a victim I'd respond to this completely different, but I bet that he thought he was living the dream. In that case I'm not seeing any reason for serious punishment, it just doesn't feel right. And that's what I care about, what's right, lawful or not.

 

[Vrach]

Consentual sex, no crime here as far as I can see. No, not saying it because she's hot and not saying it because the younger person is a male. I know girls who've had sex at that age with a guy who was 19, big whoop, they both wanted it, it's their choice.

The crime was statutory rape the boy was 14 and thus under the age of consent.

Thanks for telling me what I already know, it doesn't change the fact that I don't see it as a crime or something at all bad. If she got him drunk/incapacitated or otherwise raped him, it'd be wrong, yes, but I am of the opinion that a 14 year old human being has more than enough reason in them to make a decision of whether or not they wanna have sex.

It doesn?t really matter what your opinion is that slut still committed a crime and must be punished same as any other criminal.

Oh, you're one of those people >.>

You might want to read the actual thread though, the OP is asking people what they think of the matter.

 

[RagTagBand]

ITT : 200+ People who would be literally baying for blood if it were a male babysitter who got a 14 year old girl drunk and had sex with her, but because its an attractive girl they're all jealous of the 14 year old.

Or to put it simply, The vast majority of the respondents who think this is all perfectly fine are hypocritical, forever alone, sexist 12 year olds boys.

 

[random_bars]

Either:

The crime is equal to an identical one with the genders reversed: a 'so hot xD' 20 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl. Therefore either they both have to be evil and disgusting and the 20 year old man/woman goes to jail to rot, OR the 14 year old girl/boy in both situations is a lucky so-and-so and the 20 year old should be let off because he/she is 'so hot xD'.

Alternatively, the crime is different for each gender, and therefore the punishments in each situation can be different. Therefore, we are admitting that women are different from men in fundamental ways and so they can legally be discriminated against in jobs, etc.

Unless you want to be a hypocrite, these are the only two options. You can't have it both ways. Either women can be discriminated against, both positively and negatively, or they can't be at all. But we cannot have a society where women are given equality when it suits them and special treatment when it doesn't. That is, undeniably, fucking bullshit.

 

[MazdaXR]

There are plenty of double standards in the law, first of all men can perform rape women cannot, they merely perform sexual assault.

That doesn't disprove my point - it merely serves to illustrate the sorry state of the law in this regard.

Sorry i did not mean to seem like I was disproving your point just stating that if there were double standards in this case or in any other that they do exist in Law, which I agree is a shame but difficult to rectify.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

It's against the law because it wasn't consensual and it wasn't consensual because it's the law. Got that one stitched up pretty nice haven't you.

I've met some pretty insanely mature kids and some pretty stupid adults. Age isn't everything in terms of consent.

It's against the law because he's 14. End of story. His consent is completely irrelevant because he doesn't have the right to give it. It's called statutory rape, Google it.

I'm not in the USA, just because your laws are backwards doesn't mean I have to agree with them. End of Story. It's called the right of free speech. Google it.


Europeans are sexual adventurous sissys and Americans are sexual repressed and full of violence (or similar wording from the editors podcast on this very site). We are different people but that doesn't mean we have to agree with you. Feel free to invade Australia or Europe... we'll have sex with you until you leave.

Hardly. The Majority of Europe has ages of consent set at 15 and above, and the ones that have it set at 14 have so many loopholes that they don't make sense. For example, Hungary's law sets the age at 14, but they can only give consent to anyone between the age of 14-18. In short, even in Hungary, this woman would be tried as a felon.

But the age of consent isn't important, what is important is that she got a child drunk...for the sake of having sex with him. 90% of the countries in Europe would have already thrown her in jail for this crime (Including, but not limited to: Portugal, Macedonia, Spain, Liechtenstein, Hungary, Germany and Bulgaria. And all of these countries have their legal age set at 14.). Regardless of whether Europeans are more sexually active or not is irrelevant because it seems the majority of them would be against her in the first place.

 

[Cowabungaa]

ITT : 200+ People who would be literally baying for blood if it were a male babysitter who got a 14 year old girl drunk and had sex with her, but because its an attractive girl they're all jealous of the 14 year old.

Read the OP's edit; apparently they were in a sexual relationship for quite some time already. That makes it a completely different story, means the sex was way was likely to be forced and more likely to be this kid's fantasy coming true.

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As I've said above; the fact that they were, apparently, already in a sexual relationship for quite some time makes this case far less clear-cut.

 

[MazdaXR]

ITT : 200+ People who would be literally baying for blood if it were a male babysitter who got a 14 year old girl drunk and had sex with her, but because its an attractive girl they're all jealous of the 14 year old.

Or to put it simply, The vast majority of the respondents who think this is all perfectly fine are hypocritical, forever alone, sexist 12 year olds boys.

Not really a lot of them could just live in different cultures where it is perfectly acceptable.

Or they could just be having a laugh, making the statements for fun, albeit at the expense of a crime, not every is serious 100% of the time.