Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[Cowabungaa]

Oh, so (possible) rape is okay because... of sexism?

Except that no one had sex against their own will.

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Thing is, she's barely out of her teens as well. If she'd be, say, 25+, I might more easily agree with you. But she was 19 when they started banging, they were both pretty much kids. Hence why I also think it's not likely for this kid to develop serious emotional issues because of it. I'd get it if he'd be seduced by someone in a clear peer position, but I doubt that a (at the time) 19 year old babysitter (especially if she has the mental age to fall for 14 year old kids) has such a position in his mind.

And because of that I don't think there is a victim, and because there isn't a victim I don't think this qualifies as a crime, and definitely not something serious enough to be brought into court. It's a case of two kids doing something stupid, and a judge has better things to do than meddle in that.

Hell, I think it's more likely that they both develop emotional issues thanks to this going to court and going public. This is a matter that should've been handled behind closed doors between them, the parents and councelors. No one is getting any better from what's going on right now.

 

[Liudeius]

She should be given equal punishment as any male pedophile, like that recent article where a bunch of men were being given 200 years in jail for LOOKing, not touching.

There is a clause in many underage sex laws that reduces it to a misdemeanor if there is only a 3 year gap, but this is a five to six year gap, so no.
It doesn't matter if it's consenting, plenty of 35 year old teachers have consenting sex with students and they deserve punishment.
It doesn't matter how she looks, "I was raped" "Was he hot" "Hell yeah, HIGH FIVE!" (Yes, that's highly offensive, that's the point).

Taking the stance of romance. Perhaps it is possible for a 19 year-old and a 14-year-old to have a relationship that isn't just physical, but why can we only ask these logical questions when the girl is the older one? If it had been a guy, he would have already been stoned to death for raping her.
I really don't think a 14-year-old has a strong enough understanding of relationships to know what he's getting into though. Yeah, plenty of people have sex even before then, but she should have known better considering she was 19.

Also as one person on the first page pointed out, 14-year-old boys have hardly hit puberty, having sex with an equivalently developed girl (physically) would drop the age to 12.

 

[Hosker]

Well, I guess if it goes against American law then she has to be prosecuted, even if they were both fine with the whole thing.

 

[Kamehapa]

There are three really important (to me at least) questions here.

1. Did she get him drunk, or did they drink together?

2. Did he or a family member press charges?

3. Did he want to have sex with her?

Without those questions properly answered I cannot form a proper opinion on the matter.

If it turns out that they had a few drinks together, had sex willingly and a parent pressed charges I do believe this woman to be innocent.

Agreed in full, though I believe that she should still be charged with providing alcohol to a minor reguardless. However, I also believe American Law on this matter is completely fucked up so this is not how it will play out.

 

[orangeban]

Oh, so (possible) rape is okay because... of sexism?

Except that no one had sex against their own will.

Yeah, that's why I said possible rape. Because we don't know. People here are claiming it couldn't have been rape because she was attractive and he was 14 and what are males if not horny bastards ay?

Besides, the main point I was adressing was your bizarre out-the-blue comment saying, "Males gonna rape and woman not gonna rape because biology."

 

[TerribleAssassin]

Lucky bastard

But still, the law shouldn't turn a blind eye, doesn't matter what sex, no exceptions.

 

[Liudeius]

Well, I guess if it goes against American law then she has to be prosecuted, even if they were both fine with the whole thing.

Well yeah, she is AMERICAN and this took place in THE US.
There's places that allow sex at 14?
Other than that one country in Africa that also says as long as there's not vaginal penetration, it's not rape.

 

[bakan]

Oh, so (possible) rape is okay because... of sexism?

Except that no one had sex against their own will.

Yeah, that's why I said possible rape. Because we don't know. People here are claiming it couldn't have been rape because she was attractive and he was 14 and what are males if not horny bastards ay?

Besides, the main point I was adressing was your bizarre out-the-blue comment saying, "Males gonna rape and woman not gonna rape because biology."

I would say both wanted it because it went on for month and just yet the mother pressed charges and said the baby sitter got him drunk and they had sex...

If it really was consentual (even if the law says you can't have consentual sex before 16 - bollocks), I don't see a problem and if she has to go to jail for it, it won't help anyone and just destroys her life.
Btw I would say the same if it were a 19/20 year old boy and younger girl (relationship of them began when she was 19).

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Well, I guess if it goes against American law then she has to be prosecuted, even if they were both fine with the whole thing.

Well yeah, she is AMERICAN and this took place in THE US.
There's places that allow sex at 14?
Other than that one country in Africa that also says as long as there's not vaginal penetration, it's not rape.

No, not only third world countries: http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm
If they both wanted it, don't be a prude and laws have to be adjusted in time with kids maturing faster...

 

[G96 Saber]

Go directly to jail[footnote]After the trial, of course[/footnote]. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Bonus of sex offender registry from community chest.

This is what a fourteen year old boy looks like (Not the one from this case, from another):
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/06/11/image5082228x.jpg

Do you honestly think 20 year olds of any sex should be fucking that?

I am 14, i look pretty much like an adult. That kid looks more 12.

Of course, this particular situation needs more i could judge it. This information would be as easy to obtain as interviewing the boy.

 

[Hagi]

Thing is, she's barely out of her teens as well. If she'd be, say, 25+, I might more easily agree with you. But she was 19 when they started banging, they were both pretty much kids. Hence why I also think it's not likely for this kid to develop serious emotional issues because of it. I'd get it if he'd be seduced by someone in a clear peer position, but I doubt that a (at the time) 19 year old babysitter (especially if she has the mental age to fall for 14 year old kids) has such a position in his mind.

And because of that I don't think there is a victim, and because there isn't a victim I don't think this qualifies as a crime, and definitely not something serious enough to be brought into court. It's a case of two kids doing something stupid, and a judge has better things to do than meddle in that.

Hell, I think it's more likely that they both develop emotional issues thanks to this going to court and going public. This is a matter that should've been handled behind closed doors between them, the parents and councelors. No one is getting any better from what's going on right now.

Except that she wasn't just 19. She was his babysitter. She was in a position of authority. She was in a clear peer position. That changes things.

And I agree that it's not likely that serious emotional issues develop. But the possibility is still there. That's why this child is a victim, because it's a real possibility that he will suffer from it at a later age.

And I think a 19 year old should know that sex with minors is wrong, no matter if she's barely out of childhood herself. She is an adult now and these are the things an adult is supposed to know, ignorance is no excuse to crime.

She shouldn't be treated as a rapist but she should receive serious punishment so that she instantly learns that, as the American Psychological Association states, "An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act which never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior." and never ever forgets it.

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

That lucky S.O.A.B.! Where did he learn how to score like that? (yeah, I'm jelly)

Go directly to jail[footnote]After the trial, of course[/footnote]. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Bonus of sex offender registry from community chest.

This is what a fourteen year old boy looks like (Not the one from this case, from another):
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/06/11/image5082228x.jpg

Do you honestly think 20 year olds of any sex should be fucking that?

Not all white 14-year olds look like that. I know I didn't. I looked older.

Jail is overkill imo, she should just get a bit of help and go meet some boys her own age.
Honestly, the shame of screwing a 14 year old will probably follow her for a while.

Wouldn't the 'shame' have prevented her from doing it in the first place?

Dumb *****. She's not even terrible-looking, I'm pretty sure she could've gotten someone her age if she'd wanted to.

Anywho, jail'd be fine with me, but hell, execution's a bit far.

What if she didn't. What if this 14-year old gave her something that other people she met couldn't? He might be Casanova reincarnate and the woman didn't stand a chance against his suave moves.

Well, good thing all 14 year old boys are automatically straight and crave sex.
She should be punished equally for her crime just as anyone else would have. Being attractive?! Really? How shallow are you that you think that should get her out of trouble?

Attractiveness is a huge contributing factor to who we chose to have sex with. Being a 14-year old boy shot up on hormones (and this is before alcohol) wanting to get into her pants would be the preferred outcome in at least 7/10 encounters under similar or same circumstances. Why is no one taking the kid's will into account?

That's one bad kid. He's so hardcore, his parents can't leave him home alone. And even then, he ends up boozing up and banging his baby sitter.

PS: That's probably not how it went down, but can you imagine if it was? Damn.

Good thing it was a baby sitter they left him with then. I'm thinking he is the predator here.

She is pretty hot... makes me wonder if she just likes younger guys, or if she was really desperate.

Lucky guy, I guess? Unless he regrets it, in which case it's just as bad as if a young girl would regret it (it would be lucky for her getting laid if she was pleased, I suppose).

I think that we're fairly prudish as a nation. People at fourteen are already having sex, knowing about sex, wanting sex (I've overheard this from young people in our community, it's kind of crazy these days). I don't really think we should drop the age limit quite that far, but this is the sort of thing that makes you question certain laws.

If she drugged him or gave him alcohol, that's a double whack against her. She's probably getting jail time for this, no question about it.

I don't think there is any risk what-so-ever that that kind is going to live with regrets - unless peers (his mum mostly) instils on him that he was raped or that he has sinned or something like that. He didn't do anything wrong.
You're right too, we, in the western world, live in a society where sex is reaching the younger audiences rapidly. Many European nations have their average for sexual debut at age 14-15. Many nations consequently also have the age of consent set at age 15.
I don't think it is fair to say that she 'drugged' him. Alcohol is a socially acceptable lubricant to getting people into the 'mood' (whichever that may be), and many children are introduced to Alcohol at age 15-16, though actually drinking it socially comes later in most cases. I know I didn't drink until I was 18, but many of my peers started at 15. *forever alone.jpg*

End note, and I cannot stress this enough; The kid may not have been sexually assaulted. He may have consented just as much as adults would do. Stop looking at the age difference alone. 14-year olds are just as capable of thinking as the rest of you - albeit with more raging hormones in the way. That said, this kid was likely not forced. He'd have been traumatised had that been the case. Seemingly he is unscathed.

She is pretty hot not gonna lie and try to act all high and fuckin mighty. Seriously that kid should be fist pumping for about 2 years.

This.

My parents would give me a high five if I ever did something like that...<.<

... and that. I'm thinking my parents would be thrilled if it transpired that I *gasp* had sex... at all.

 

[Thamian]

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I went with the answer of her going to jail, but really didn't want to.

First off, let me just say that as far I'm concerned, the law is clear cut. Regardless of human emotions and frailties, the law is specific and makes absolutely no distinction regarding female or male or which way round it went in terms of ages.

Yes, it sounds like it may well have been a perfectly consensual relationship and yes, there's only five or six years worth of difference and yes, if Spain's 14 year olds are capable or consenting then why the hell aren't the rest of the world's, and yes, the mother sounds like she's both over-protective and over-zealous in that.

The problem is that the law cannot make exceptions for that. It has to disbar such things to prevent genuine abuse, and it can't even be given to the minor as to whether or not to press charges as that is in turn open to abuse.

Furthermore, if it had been a 20 year old guy and a 14 year old girl, that guy would have been hammered and jailed regardless, so why the hell shouldn't it work when it's the opposite way round? Yes, people say that guys are physically intimidating, but then, to a kid that age, so's a stunningly hot chick.

As such, inspite of the fact that I'd rather not, I'd still send her to jail. By all means, give her rehab while she's inside, but she's broken the law. That simple.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Yeah, that's why I said possible rape. Because we don't know. People here are claiming it couldn't have been rape because she was attractive and he was 14 and what are males if not horny bastards ay?

Besides, the main point I was adressing was your bizarre out-the-blue comment saying, "Males gonna rape and woman not gonna rape because biology."

My comment was not saying that. My comment was explaining the double standards that exist today, explaining the reactions that got here, that's it. According to biology, a male having sex with a fine female specimen such as her at such an early age is a humongous triumph, hence why so many folks here are going "nicccce." That's all I was explaining, their reaction.

But of course, it could've been rape. But I don't think it is, seeing as they had a thing going for a few months already.

As such, inspite of the fact that I'd rather not, I'd still send her to jail. By all means, give her rehab while she's inside, but she's broken the law. That simple.

This is silly, as cases are always judged on a case-by-case basis. The law is not the unyieldable, unbendable thing you describe it to be, at least not in most countries.

Except that she wasn't just 19. She was his babysitter. She was in a position of authority. She was in a clear peer position. That changes things.

In the eyes of the parent? Of course. In the eyes of the kid? Hah, not a chance. And who says this whole thing started during a babysetting session anyway?

And I agree that it's not likely that serious emotional issues develop. But the possibility is still there. That's why this child is a victim, because it's a real possibility that he will suffer from it at a later age.

And I think a 19 year old should know that sex with minors is wrong, no matter if she's barely out of childhood herself. She is an adult now and these are the things an adult is supposed to know, ignorance is no excuse to crime.

She shouldn't be treated as a rapist but she should receive serious punishment so that she instantly learns that, as the American Psychological Association states, "An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act which never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior." and never ever forgets it.

I would agree with you if it'd be a one time thing during that one babysitting session. But it wasn't, it was going on for months. That's why I'd never treat this particular case as a crime.

I also don't think she's an adult, because I don't think adulthood should be judged based on age, but on mental maturity. Sadly this is kinda tricky.

 

[Liudeius]

Remember back when there was another case of female teachers having sex with male students coming out every other week? As horrible as it was, the test for guilty or not guilty really did come down to, is she hot or not? Some sort of double standard 'Can't rape the willing' thing. Which, unfortunately, makes perfect sense to me.

If the kid really is pressing charges himself, then, well, ya, rape is rape. But from the sounds of it, it isn't the kid pressing charges.

The story just has weird all over it though, so I can't really form a proper opinion on it. However, I did vote that she should be executed. Mostly for making that stupid duckface while taking a picture of herself in front of a mirror, I mean, come on...people still do that?

So if a 9-year-old girl willingly has sex with a 35-year-old man, it shouldn't be punished.

Realize that if you disagree your entire argument falls apart, it doesn't matter if the 9-year-old doesn't quite understand what she's doing, the 14-year-old doesn't either. (functionality, yes, but mental development, no)

So, do we support raping little girls, or should this awful, criminal, rapist go to jail?

 

[Ithera]

Plenty of guys doing time for f#&king jail bait, do not see why she should get special treatment. I like to think that we are still capable of a semblance of equality in front of the law.

This is not a rite of passage, this is just as bad as the opposite scenario and should be treated as one and the same.

 

[Simeon Ivanov]

Where can I get one of those babysitters? :3

 

[Matt Oliver]

i voted the community service one just because no kid should have to say yes I'm a sex offender on the employment app. It's wrong but this kid did fundamentally have sex with the kid even tho they were both potentially under the AOC of their state, the girl might be above it but the kid was def. under it.

 

[Kevlar Eater]

If there was alcohol involved, sure, she should go to jail. If not, then damn, I need a few pointers from him.

I would say the same if the genders were reversed, but without the advice.

 

[standokan]

Imagine if it was a grown up bloke having sex with a 14 year old girl, now it's suddenly creapy right?

Btw, is it just me or does this sound like the premise of a porno?

 

[lumenadducere]

The age of consent is the age of consent. I understand that the boy probably was willing and that they were in a relationship. But who at 14 years old is in any way logical about sex, especially with an older woman? The babysitter should go to jail.