Poll: Female enemies in Games (and enemy feedback)
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I'm not sure what you're insinuating by that... *cough* backing away
I was kind of biased towards the whole "women as enemies" deal until I played Grandia 1. It was there that pixelated women of all stripes were branded for death if they were to cross my path. For those who don't wish to be spoiled on this game, please don't click on the spoiler. But, for those that do, or don't particularly care one way or another...
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When Justin and company make their escape from the Garlyle Army base, you run into one of the trio of nasty female sergeants named Mio. Though the physically weakest of the three, she has a nerve gas attack, which both poisons AND paralyzes, and her Stun Gun attack, which paralyzes and deals damage. I had so much trouble the first time I faced her, I fumed out loud "OK, this b*tch's face is going to meet sword in the most BRUTAL of ways..."
Ever since, I've had no problem tearing though opponents of all genders.
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When Justin and company make their escape from the Garlyle Army base, you run into one of the trio of nasty female sergeants named Mio. Though the physically weakest of the three, she has a nerve gas attack, which both poisons AND paralyzes, and her Stun Gun attack, which paralyzes and deals damage. I had so much trouble the first time I faced her, I fumed out loud "OK, this b*tch's face is going to meet sword in the most BRUTAL of ways..."
Ever since, I've had no problem tearing though opponents of all genders.
Ok, what I don't get here is there are plenty of double standards that women have to tolerate, why can't we just keep it as a huge taboo to not be hit? I don't think that's too much to ask. I mean, unless you really want to hit women but in that case there are some serious issues you need to work out.Asuka Soryu said:
Why can't we compromise and say that if you get a higher pay, the title of a player instead of a whore, and taken more seriously, we get to not be hit.
I'm all for equality but honestly I am getting a little tired of constantly reading people on this site and in general saying "I can hit a girl, I don't care, its all the same to me. If they have such a huge problem with it then they are not being equal themselves." Guess what, women are still physically weaker than you and you have to acknowledge that. That's anatomy, not sexism.
*whew*
Ok, I'm done. Btw this wasnt just for you, asuka, you just happen to be the one that I quoted.
EDIT: BTW! By all means I am not saying if a woman is threatening your life with a gun or soemthing that you should let her to her thing. That's a safety issue, all I'm saying is 1) go easy, and 2) don't hit/harm a female (or anyone) unless you are in an actual life threatening situating and that's what you gotta do.
EDIT EDIT: I couldn't give two shits about killing women in video games, like someone said before me, my moral code rarely extends to a cluster of 1s and 0s.
I enjoyed beating that tar out of those whip wielding hookers in Streets of Rage, especially those ones that screamed and fell down whenever you hit them. They annoyed me to the point I grabbed them and kneed them in the face a few times before hurling them at their friends.
I honestly don't care what the polygons I am trying to delete look like, as long as they bring fun gameplay.
I honestly don't care what the polygons I am trying to delete look like, as long as they bring fun gameplay.
I don't care, they're my enemies and they're in my way, on those grounds they are worthy of being killed.
That's my philosphy in real life too, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
That's my philosphy in real life too, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
I don't know... I don't think I tend to think about it that much, but I let whatshername the Asari go, so either I'm a little softer on women than I am on men, or I'm just an enormous sucker for a sob story. But realistically, I tend to reserve my sympathies for people who aren't shooting at me.
I only feel bad when I'm considering how I'm killing them.
In ME2 I couldn't give a crap because no one is left to suffer horrible amounts of pain.
Now with some of the more *ahem*-"Creatively Violent"-games, I kinda do feel somewhat bad that I'm being one of the most horrible people on the face of the planet. And I'm the hero.
In ME2 I couldn't give a crap because no one is left to suffer horrible amounts of pain.
Now with some of the more *ahem*-"Creatively Violent"-games, I kinda do feel somewhat bad that I'm being one of the most horrible people on the face of the planet. And I'm the hero.
I've killed plenty of virtual women in games. Helga von Bulow's bodyguards in Return to Castle Wolfenstein, female Spartans in Halo Reach multiplayer, Sixth House worshippers in Morrowind, Tavion in Jedi Academy, etc.
If they're trying to kill me in a game, I will defend myself with no moral qualms. I will admit however that I sometimes feel a pang of guilt if I kill female civilians in games like GTA and Saint's Row 2.
If they're trying to kill me in a game, I will defend myself with no moral qualms. I will admit however that I sometimes feel a pang of guilt if I kill female civilians in games like GTA and Saint's Row 2.
Jumplion said:
If we were on about actual people, then yeah, you'd understandably be disturbed. We aren't. These are AI-controlled enemies/NPCs.
You're being emotionally affected by your actions towards them, without warrant. That's the same response that the people who shouldn't be playing videogames have, albeit you're on the "good" side of that, feeling empathy/fear rather than excitement over the killing.
If it was a plot-centric character's death, you'd have a fair chance to be emotionally responsive, which is fair enough. A cookie-cut enemy, though? That's a bit far. Gender doesn't change what they are.
I remember going easy on them or trying to mercifully take them out in 1 hit with any special attack.
But nowadays I don't discriminate.
Special mention of Bayonetta's Joy enemies...
But nowadays I don't discriminate.
Special mention of Bayonetta's Joy enemies...
I used to feel a bit odd killing women, but then I met the raiders in Fallout 3. I never even registered them, male or female, as human, just overconfidant targets to be silenced. If you can beat an alleged lady's corpse into red chunks, you're probably (for lack of a better word) cured of chivalry.
It's not like I grieve over every lowly peon I come across, it's just a few select moments where I get "emotional" as you would say. The game felt the need to focus on that one shot, and the mercenary just happened to be female. I don't think I would have reacted the same way if it was a male, but that's what spawned this topic. I could argue that it's the people behind the AI, the ones that do the voice acting, and the people who seem sadistic enough to try and make their deaths as real as possible. In all honesty, all of this striving for realsim, while I don't mind realism in certain parts, just kindof disturbs me with how developers are trying to make enemies squeal like pigs in slaughter.Joshimodo said:
I get like this when I watch a movie to, and sometimes in a book or two. It's not that I feel empathy for them (though maybe I partially do), it's just that I end up thinking too deeply into those characters. I plan to go into film/game directing, so I think of how I would make something center around a character, or make a shit concept a good film. I start thinking "Huh, that lowly peon just got a sledgehammer to the face. What got him into this situation? How did he join up? What did he leave behind?..." That's just how I work I suppose.
I don't see the problem with female enemies aslong as they don't have oversized gigantic boobs and a piece of string for clothing its all good.
I've killed many female enemies in Fallout: New Vegas, most of which are pyschotic, drugged up raiders weilding pool cues. Game developers really need to stop using females as sex symbols in games by giving them over sized boobs and making them wear mutiple belt straps as armour.
The only "normal" female soldiers I can remember fighting would be the South Korean 707th Commando's from Mercenries: POD and the female bodyguards and Amazons in the Dynasty Warriors series.
In fact I actually approve of females being featured in combat roles more often in games. Capt. Paleyo was a good character, but since then the CoD series has pretty much been a massive sausage fest. They could at least make some kind of female multiplayer option. I think Halo: reach had something like, I know in Resistance 2 you could play as a female soldier and character in a DLC.
The only "normal" female soldiers I can remember fighting would be the South Korean 707th Commando's from Mercenries: POD and the female bodyguards and Amazons in the Dynasty Warriors series.
In fact I actually approve of females being featured in combat roles more often in games. Capt. Paleyo was a good character, but since then the CoD series has pretty much been a massive sausage fest. They could at least make some kind of female multiplayer option. I think Halo: reach had something like, I know in Resistance 2 you could play as a female soldier and character in a DLC.
I wans't being sarcastic, and you shouldn't compare killing a video charecter to killing a person, one is a computer program, the other is a living breathing person, those things will never be appropriate to compare.Firetaffer said:
Short answer is "I like them"
On a serious note, I don't care as long as it's not "Oh look we're making the enemy a girl isn't that so cool!?" Not that I have an example of that...
edit: so i was ninja'd on the video. Wasn't expecting that.
On a serious note, I don't care as long as it's not "Oh look we're making the enemy a girl isn't that so cool!?" Not that I have an example of that...
edit: so i was ninja'd on the video. Wasn't expecting that.