Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

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LGC Pominator

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Stickyreiss said:
1. make a rifle chambered in .950 JDJ
2. Give it to chavs and watch it explode when they use it
3. ?????
4. Profit!
and I'm always glad to teach people new things =)
As always your ideas are interesting and brilliant, your knack for teaching things would be well applied over here, you would do better than some of the bloody lecturers ill give you that!
 

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LGC Pominator said:
Stickyreiss said:
1. make a rifle chambered in .950 JDJ
2. Give it to chavs and watch it explode when they use it
3. ?????
4. Profit!
and I'm always glad to teach people new things =)
As always your ideas are interesting and brilliant, your knack for teaching things would be well applied over here, you would do better than some of the bloody lecturers ill give you that!
except I have little patience when people don't get things by the second try =/
 

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Steelfists said:
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That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
justify the right to not bear arms when nations with more laxed gun control laws have some of the lowest murder per capa and crime rates in the world... EU has posted more strict gun control laws and the murder rates and crime rates in their respective signitary nations have increased suggnificantly since then.

to say 'There are less gun deaths because there are less guns' is some what of a stupid argument because it largely ignores the increase of petty crimes, robbery, and general crimes which occur with more strict gun control laws.
To everyone siting statisic about violent crime (or armed crime) rates and gun-ownership rates, remember this:

Correlation does not equate causation!

All I know is that countries can have plenty of weapons in civilian hands and still be safe when it comes to crimes commited with firearms, heck I live in one of the top 7 most armed countries, Finland, with 32(or 56, depending on study and what you legally count as a firearm) per 100 people.

But we also have extremely little unlicenced firearms in circulation (due to heaploads, thousands of them being returned every year once they made it so that voluntarily returning an unlicensed gun to police hands was not a crime), and for a license you need a valid reason (self-defence or home defence are not counted among these) and any crime at all (from a speeding ticket upwards) can lose you that license.

While going by 1994 statistics, Finland has the second most firearm related deaths, right after USA. 6.86 per 100.000 citizen to be exact, but of those 6.86, almost 5.8 are suicides...

On the other hand, we have Greece. 1.5 deaths, 0.84 of them suicides. Guns, 23 per 100 citizens.

Going by unintentional deaths involving a firearm, the top three countries are USA (0.59 per year per 100.000 people), Spain, (0.25) and Canada (0.22)

Gun ownership in these countries, USA (90 per 100 people), Canada (31.5 per 100) and Spain (11 per 100)

As I said, correlation does not equal causation.

And yet it should not be surprising that the country with the highest amount of firearms in civilian hands also has one of the highest firearm homicide rates (3.72 per 100.000), firearm suicide rates (7.35) and unintentional deaths (0.59)

Assuming all other factors equal (firearms training, gun control efficiency etc), naturally the country with more firearms will have more firearms related deaths and accidents.

That is all.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
LGC Pominator said:
your knack for teaching things would be well applied over here, you would do better than some of the bloody lecturers ill give you that!
except I have little patience when people don't get things by the second try =/
Once again, not coddling people is the way to go, plus telling people "you will get it eventually" when they have a 3 hour exam the next week is NOT how to inspire good grades in a slacking student...
Besides, I have a tendency to only ask for things once, that got me kicked out of high school for a week, it was my 14th birthday and someone had hit me clean across the face with crocodile clips in his fingers, I asked him to apologise.
He didn't
What followed ended with us both going into the hospital, me with a nearly broken neck and some head trauma, him with a broken nose, one eye sealed shut, bust lip, broken finger and damaged kneecap

He then apologised as we sat in the emergency room :D

Actually on reflection I kinda see what you mean now, getting the result you want can sometimes require a little bit more action than the educational faculties of today's learning institutes are willing to allow us to take
 

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LGC Pominator said:
Stickyreiss said:
LGC Pominator said:
your knack for teaching things would be well applied over here, you would do better than some of the bloody lecturers ill give you that!
except I have little patience when people don't get things by the second try =/
Once again, not coddling people is the way to go, plus telling people "you will get it eventually" when they have a 3 hour exam the next week is NOT how to inspire good grades in a slacking student...
Besides, I have a tendency to only ask for things once, that got me kicked out of high school for a week, it was my 14th birthday and someone had hit me clean across the face with crocodile clips in his fingers, I asked him to apologise.
He didn't
What followed ended with us both going into the hospital, me with a nearly broken neck and some head trauma, him with a broken nose, one eye sealed shut, bust lip, broken finger and damaged kneecap

He then apologised as we sat in the emergency room :D

Actually on reflection I kinda see what you mean now, getting the result you want can sometimes require a little bit more action than the educational faculties of today's learning institutes are willing to allow us to take
lol
at least he wasn't a pikey, you'd have been royally fucked
 

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I would just like to add to the ongoing gun control debate that the reason so many gun nuts in America (myself included) are afraid of strict gun control laws is because it has been the hallmark of oppressive regimes since the invention of weapons.
 

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hittite said:
I would just like to add to the ongoing gun control debate that the reason so many gun nuts in America (myself included) are afraid of strict gun control laws is because it has been the hallmark of oppressive regimes since the invention of weapons.
good argument, but seeing as america is not turning into an oppressive dictatorship any time soon, its a good point, but not applicable to america.
 

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OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
I'm going to paraphrase the user "ultraparanoia" in a different thread about guns: "When someone legally buys a gun, they use it for protection. When someone illegally buys a gun, chances are high they will use it for crimenal purposes. It would be ineffective, and indeed counter-effective to take away guns from law-abiding citizens."
 

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So I finally get to fire a .50 Taurus raging bull...
flew out of my hand and broke a light in the ceiling...
 

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nart_21086 said:
So I finally get to fire a .50 Taurus raging bull...
flew out of my hand and broke a light in the ceiling...
except Taurus doesn't make the raging bull in .50
fuck off troll
 

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MCGT said:
How much of a badass would I look when firing a gold plated, blinged-up Desert Eagle on its side from the waist?
Wouldn't that screw up your arm? Not exactly sure I understand how you would fire a handgun from the waist unless it was holstered. Either way, the recoil will drive up your arm or into your leg.
 

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I?m looking into getting a rifle in the ~$700-$1000 range with a 16in barrel and preferably a folding or collapsible stock. I like 5.56 because I don?t have a rifle chambered in it yet so I was looking at the DPMS Panther AP4 Carbine. Can you recommend any other rifles I should check out before I buy?
 

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Steelfists said:
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That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
those crimes are not commited by someone with a lisence, registered firearm, and bought it from a store. they are commited by those *insert any racial explitive here* gang bangers who make $20 in an armed robbery and murder a guy for no reason. they have little pistols or maybe a shotgun. the people you dont hear about are the law abiding citizens with a mother fucking armory in their basement.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
it varies from gun to gun, ask the person you are buying from, or refer to the manual/contact the manufacturer.
for concealed carry, I would recommend 9mm, .45 weapons tend to be too large to effectively conceal. In any case, find something you are extremely comfortable with, and practice regularly, some pistols have manufacturer made or certified conversion kits so you can practice with .22LR to save money. (don't buy one that isn't manufacturer certified)
and don't stuff the gun in your pants or pocket like a gangbanger, get a proper holster if you are going to carry. for particular makes, I recommend compact Sig or Glock. 1911 models are more complex to carry (the safety system to carry with a round chambered is much more complex than other pistols)
Don't worry. It's not my first foray into gun usage, just gun ownership. I certainly don't want to blow off any appendages, so you don't have to worry about me putting the gun in my waistline.

Minnesota law states that if I want to have a gun in my vehicle, which is where it would be outside of the range, I'd need to have the CC permit. Most places have banned guns on the premises anyways since the CC laws were relaxed around here a couple of years ago.

We'll see about the 9mm caliber though. I'd only get one if I had hollow points to load it with, and they are just as spendy as .45 ACP rounds.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
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Stickyreiss said:
Why are you so upset? This thread is for people to have civil discussions, not flame each other. while you make a valid point, I never said anything about the range at which the confrontation was taking place, in fact, I posted this earlier
please don't put words or emotions into my mouth or my words, i'm not upset in the least. you've assumed way too much and really don't know that much about what you are talking about when it comes to "protection with a gun"

if you rely on a weapon to keep you safe, you are dead or going to the hospital because they won't help you at all.
While you may not be upset, the tone of your posts is insulting to say the least. And you seem to have ignored that I said that having a good knowledge of your surroundings and avoiding problems is the best bet.
well then how would the gun actually protect you? you don't need a gun at that point. thanks for proving my point of using a gun for protection is not needed.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
nart_21086 said:
So I finally get to fire a .50 Taurus raging bull...
flew out of my hand and broke a light in the ceiling...
except Taurus doesn't make the raging bull in .50
fuck off troll
The Raging Bull comes as all the following:

Model 218 (Raging Bee)
.218 Bee caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 22H (Raging Hornet)
.22 Hornet caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 223 (Raging 223)
.223 Remington caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only[3][4][5].
Model 30C (Raging Thirty)
.30 Carbine caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 416
.41 Magnum caliber.
Model 444
.44 Magnum caliber, can also fire the shorter .44 Special.
Model 444 Ultralite
compact .44 with a 4" barrel. Blued and titanium only.
Model 454
.454 Casull caliber, can also fire the less powerful .45 Colt.
Model 480
.480 Ruger caliber.
Model 500
.500 S&W Magnum caliber, can also fire the shorter .500 S&W Special.

They may not make the Model 500 anymore, but they still exist, and you can still find them.

Deshara said:
Also, I didn't think that the oxygen produced by the lighting gunpowder would be enough to carry the explosion in a vacuum.
Why would you need anything to "carry" the explosion? You need oxygen and fuel to have a fire. Both are in the cartridge, and it only takes mechanical force to set off the primer which ignites the powder in the cartridge. You don't need air to fire a bullet from a gun. It is the gases from the fire that push the bullet down the barrel. Again somewhat simplified, but you should get the gist of it.