Pyro Paul said:
Steelfists said:
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That thing is just too damn huge.
OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
justify the right to not bear arms when nations with more laxed gun control laws have some of the lowest murder per capa and crime rates in the world... EU has posted more strict gun control laws and the murder rates and crime rates in their respective signitary nations have increased suggnificantly since then.
to say 'There are less gun deaths because there are less guns' is some what of a stupid argument because it largely ignores the increase of petty crimes, robbery, and general crimes which occur with more strict gun control laws.
To everyone siting statisic about violent crime (or armed crime) rates and gun-ownership rates, remember this:
Correlation does not equate causation!
All I know is that countries can have plenty of weapons in civilian hands and still be safe when it comes to crimes commited with firearms, heck I live in one of the top 7 most armed countries, Finland, with 32(or 56, depending on study and what you legally count as a firearm) per 100 people.
But we also have extremely little unlicenced firearms in circulation (due to heaploads, thousands of them being returned every year once they made it so that voluntarily returning an unlicensed gun to police hands was not a crime), and for a license you need a valid reason (self-defence or home defence are not counted among these) and any crime at all (from a speeding ticket upwards) can lose you that license.
While going by 1994 statistics, Finland has the second most firearm related deaths, right after USA. 6.86 per 100.000 citizen to be exact, but of those 6.86, almost 5.8 are suicides...
On the other hand, we have Greece. 1.5 deaths, 0.84 of them suicides. Guns, 23 per 100 citizens.
Going by unintentional deaths involving a firearm, the top three countries are USA (0.59 per year per 100.000 people), Spain, (0.25) and Canada (0.22)
Gun ownership in these countries, USA (90 per 100 people), Canada (31.5 per 100) and Spain (11 per 100)
As I said, correlation does not equal causation.
And yet it should not be surprising that the country with the highest amount of firearms in civilian hands also has one of the highest firearm homicide rates (3.72 per 100.000), firearm suicide rates (7.35) and unintentional deaths (0.59)
Assuming all other factors equal (firearms training, gun control efficiency etc), naturally the country with more firearms will have more firearms related deaths and accidents.
That is all.