Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

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Wadders

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generic gamer said:
Wadders said:
no unwanted at all, thank you very much for the advice! i always did wonder about the centre-rim thing, but only now when i'm not near anyone that knows do i think to ask. also thank you for the expanded advice on rabbit shooting, my uncle wants to start me on a .22 for target work and i was wondering whether i'd need a separate gun for rabbits. my uncle's a good shot and very experienced so far be it from me to question him.
No problem, glad you found it useful :) .22 is fine for rabbits, it's what everybody used before .17 HMR came along, so it's a pretty established round for wasting rabbits and that sort of thing :)
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1. the only rimfire I know of is .22LR (I don't know alot about small calibers)
2. .17HMR should do the trick
.17 HMR is a rimfire round :p
 

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GreyWolf257 said:
Nice thread. I know some people who should read this, all of them idiots who should probably never be around a gun. I went out to the range once and had my moron friend just spinning around like an idiot, pointing it everywhere; needless to say, we don't talk much anymore. They should really teach this stuff in school.
God I hate Rangetards, and thanks ^-^ but it will never be taught in school, because most parents will raise hell about it.
 

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is it true that a proper 1 calibre pistol exists? I have heard tales, and after being astounded by the power in a .50 calibre sniper's rifle, I just have to find out if there is even the possibility of a real 1 (no decimal, actual 1 calibre)?

Also I am British and I aren't really a fan of guns, except for the BR and needler :D
If I had to choose a real world gun, I would go with a standard pistol, worked on of course, preferably chambered to fire 9mm rounds, roughly 12 - 15 clip capacity, standard iron sights, undermounted flashlight/IR laser 2switch variable, with a customised kraton/grivory grip and personal art design over the barrel, which holds an extruded end piece, with counterweights across the top, everything except for the hand grip finished with a dull, understated silver, probably Ag(ii)O mixed with the barest minimum of Cr for a "candy paint" finish, (IE small shiny flecks of shiny chromium)

Once again I mentioned my actual distaste for guns, personally I find them to have become a tool of criminals and fools (and the US army, but I am unsure if they don't actually qualify for either of the aforementioned groups, considering my sister, brother in law and brother's experience of them has been in Iraq and Afghanistan, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I DO appreciate that what they are doing is somehow serving the greater good, I mean all but one of my siblings have all been over there, and I respect their bravery etc etc), the remaining people who appreciate what a gun is used for are in the minority in comparison to the thugs these days, especially here in England, my own personal experiences with people wielding guns has always ended quite hilariously, people seem posessed of the belief that if they hold a gun sideways pointed at your chest then you are suddenly going to just hand over all of your money, on the 2 occasions that this has happened, I was able to quite quickly disarm them and get rid of them, the second one actually ended up with his own gun pointed at him, wasn't so much of a tough guy then!
I of course turned in these guns at a local police station (Burnley and Kent to be precise) and went about my way, if the people wielding guns here in the UK are so fucking stupid that they can't even pull off a decent robbery without losing their own damn guns, or 30 litres of piss for that matter, then they don't deserve one.
Which is exactly why I prefer hand to hand, and in extreme cases, combat knives, what is your position on the last 2 paragraphs?

Part one: could you answer the question on the top (pics if possible)
Part two: could you provide an example or detailing of how good/terrible such a gun would be (pics again) as well as a suggestion of where someone living in the middle of england could obtain such a tool?
Part 3: Are guns entirely necessary? the only people I have met with them in the real world are idiots and my family members (often one and the same), I have personally fired a Beretta 9mm, Remington 870, a MAC 10 and on one humorous occasion, another Beretta 9mm, with the one I fired before, at a single target... and didn't do as terribly as the instructor said, primarily because I was actually aiming the damned things like one should do with dual wielded weapons (37 degrees inwards to the centre of the line of sight, barrels at 30mm distance from each other, close-eye checks on each barrel being properly lined up with the target)...6/10!
Part 4: Could you provide some perspective on the situation with guns in america, and do you believe that there is a way guns could be regulated properly in this day and age?

Thank you for any pointers, help, tips and insight you can provide, it is always good to share and network ideas, its getting me through university right now :D (and yes that means im liberal biased)!
 

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Steelfists said:
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That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
justify the right to not bear arms when nations with more laxed gun control laws have some of the lowest murder per capa and crime rates in the world... EU has posted more strict gun control laws and the murder rates and crime rates in their respective signitary nations have increased suggnificantly since then.

to say 'There are less gun deaths because there are less guns' is some what of a stupid argument because it largely ignores the increase of petty crimes, robbery, and general crimes which occur with more strict gun control laws.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
Why are you so upset? This thread is for people to have civil discussions, not flame each other. while you make a valid point, I never said anything about the range at which the confrontation was taking place, in fact, I posted this earlier
please don't put words or emotions into my mouth or my words, i'm not upset in the least. you've assumed way too much and really don't know that much about what you are talking about when it comes to "protection with a gun"

if you rely on a weapon to keep you safe, you are dead or going to the hospital because they won't help you at all.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
GreyWolf257 said:
Nice thread. I know some people who should read this, all of them idiots who should probably never be around a gun. I went out to the range once and had my moron friend just spinning around like an idiot, pointing it everywhere; needless to say, we don't talk much anymore. They should really teach this stuff in school.
God I hate Rangetards, and thanks ^-^ but it will never be taught in school, because most parents will raise hell about it.
Well, we speak about it a lot in my ROTC class, so I guess it is taught in school to a degree. But still, I know you're right. It just kinda scares me that you right.
 

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Probably should change the way its formatted. The tutorial has no separation between separate topics, making it kind of hard to look at - a regular text-clusterfuck, to put it simply. Otherwise, don't think you left anything major out.

My collection consists of two S&W .38 revolvers (one needs a new barrel), a Govt. Colt 1911, and several military service rifles from WWII through the Korean war.
 

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LGC Pominator said:
is it true that a proper 1 calibre pistol exists? I have heard tales, and after being astounded by the power in a .50 calibre sniper's rifle, I just have to find out if there is even the possibility of a real 1 (no decimal, actual 1 calibre)?
I've never heard of a 1 cal firearm. The largest rifle round I've heard of is .700 Nitro Express, seen in the spoiler tag.

However, I think you can get 1 Bore/gauge shotguns, or at least 2 bore I think. But they were used to basically take out entire flocks of geese or ducks for commercial shooting, and were mounted on boats. They're fucking big

Edit: I forgot about anti-tank rifles etc, but they're not really in use any more. I think Helicopters use pretty massive rounds in their cannons, 20mm or something, but I'm not sure what that translates to in terms of caliber :/
 

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LGC Pominator said:
1: 1.0 caliber would be 25.4 mm I looked into it, and its small artillery ammunition. the largest mass produced rifle I know of is 20mm Lahti anti tank rifle

2. Unless the Third Reich are rolling into your town, not practical. plus i hear firearms restrictions are super tight in the UK, they'd probably shit their pants if they saw it.
3.& 4. This issue is too ambiguous to debate, and the fact is that for the foreseeable future, guns will be a part of life, especially in America.
I hope this helped =)
 

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cleverlymadeup said:
Stickyreiss said:
Why are you so upset? This thread is for people to have civil discussions, not flame each other. while you make a valid point, I never said anything about the range at which the confrontation was taking place, in fact, I posted this earlier
please don't put words or emotions into my mouth or my words, i'm not upset in the least. you've assumed way too much and really don't know that much about what you are talking about when it comes to "protection with a gun"

if you rely on a weapon to keep you safe, you are dead or going to the hospital because they won't help you at all.
While you may not be upset, the tone of your posts is insulting to say the least. And you seem to have ignored that I said that having a good knowledge of your surroundings and avoiding problems is the best bet.
 

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Wadders said:
LGC Pominator said:
is it true that a proper 1 calibre pistol exists? I have heard tales, and after being astounded by the power in a .50 calibre sniper's rifle, I just have to find out if there is even the possibility of a real 1 (no decimal, actual 1 calibre)?
I've never heard of a 1 cal firearm. The largest rifle round I've heard of is .700 Nitro Express, seen in the spoiler tag.

You can, however, get 1 Bore/gauge shotguns. But they were used to basically take out entire flocks of geese or ducks for commercial shooting, and were mounted on boats. They're fucking big
Well, there is the custom-made .950 JDJ.

It's basically a necked-down 20mm Vulcan cartridge, and (unsupprisingly) It'll break your shoulder and/or collar bone without the use of a lead-sled.
 

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Wadders said:
Stickyreiss said:
Wadders said:
Should I get a Remington 1100 12 bore shotgun for £410, or save up a bit more money and get a slightly more posh over and under shotgun like all the people I go shooting with. I'm fairly aware of the pro's and con's of each, I'd just like an educated second opinion. Bearing in mind I'll be mainly using it for clays, and most sporting shooters in the UK use O&A guns...

Also, what is your opinion of the .17HMR round? Is it as good as everyone says for small game/ varmint hunting. Its just I heard some guy at the range saying he could headshot rabbits with it at 200 yards. Pretty good for a rimfire.
My personal preference is towards sexy O/U style, and .17 HMR is great for small game.
Sexy O&A it is then :)


Goodbye hard earned moneys...

And yeah, I'm really keen on getting a .17HMR to rid the garden of rabbits and pigeons, as well as a bit of plinking and target shooting. Getting hold of one will be a ***** though. UK shotgun laws are pretty reasonable, but rifles are a whole different story... :(

Hope u dont mind me answering that guys question a few posts ago :p
have fun, and no worries about earlier
 

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Assault rifle design: which do you feel is better, bullpup (action and magazine behind the trigger, examples would be the Steyr AUG or P90) or traditional (action and magazine ahead of the trigger, examples would be the M4 and AK-47)?

Personally, I feel that the bullpup design is much better, albeit you're sacrificing some range accuracy. But a full size, traditional assault rifle is so useless in modern warfare (heh...pun not intended), which is generally based around urban areas. You have long-range accuracy, but what's the point? You're gonna be fighting close quarters anyway.
 

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TMAN10112 said:
Wadders said:
LGC Pominator said:
is it true that a proper 1 calibre pistol exists? I have heard tales, and after being astounded by the power in a .50 calibre sniper's rifle, I just have to find out if there is even the possibility of a real 1 (no decimal, actual 1 calibre)?
I've never heard of a 1 cal firearm. The largest rifle round I've heard of is .700 Nitro Express, seen in the spoiler tag.

You can, however, get 1 Bore/gauge shotguns. But they were used to basically take out entire flocks of geese or ducks for commercial shooting, and were mounted on boats. They're fucking big
Well, there is the custom-made .950 JDJ.

It's basically a necked-down 20mm Vulcan cartridge, and (unsupprisingly) It'll break your shoulder and/or collar bone without the use of a lead-sled.
 

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TMAN10112 said:
Wadders said:
LGC Pominator said:
is it true that a proper 1 calibre pistol exists? I have heard tales, and after being astounded by the power in a .50 calibre sniper's rifle, I just have to find out if there is even the possibility of a real 1 (no decimal, actual 1 calibre)?
I've never heard of a 1 cal firearm. The largest rifle round I've heard of is .700 Nitro Express, seen in the spoiler tag.

You can, however, get 1 Bore/gauge shotguns. But they were used to basically take out entire flocks of geese or ducks for commercial shooting, and were mounted on boats. They're fucking big
Well, there is the custom-made .950 JDJ.

It's basically a necked-down 20mm Vulcan cartridge, and (unsupprisingly) It'll break your shoulder and/or collar bone without the use of a lead-sled.
Holy shit!

I can just about understand the practical application of a .700 Nitro Express, but one of those? No way! Other than for over-compensation perhaps haha
 

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Speaking as a fellow gun nut, good job on a thread.

I've got a collection of old and new rifles, many of which I use for hunting. I mostly hunt deer, but also get paid by municipalities to take out dangerous wildlife, such as wolves or bears that endanger humans/cattle. (it's under the table, but the police chief is the one doing the paying).

Just curious, what calibre/gun do you prefer for what kind of shooting, in case you have a variety of firearms at your disposal. IE what do you use for general target practise, hunting and such.

I've got my .22 range rifle for sport shooting, a Sako .22 "bird gun", SIG SHR970 in .300 win mag for range shooting and hunting, An Enfield L42A1 .308 for hunting, a Tikka T3 Varmint Stainless in .308 for big game hunting and my favourite, SAKO TRG 42 in .338 Lapua for big game. Also a bunch of old military rifles including a Lee-Enfield, an FN made Mauser k98k designated sniper rifle and an M 1944 carbine.

EDIT: and also, what type of cartridges you prefer? I've usually got Sako hammerhead, Arrowhead II and Moosehead.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
Wadders said:
Stickyreiss said:
Wadders said:
Should I get a Remington 1100 12 bore shotgun for £410, or save up a bit more money and get a slightly more posh over and under shotgun like all the people I go shooting with. I'm fairly aware of the pro's and con's of each, I'd just like an educated second opinion. Bearing in mind I'll be mainly using it for clays, and most sporting shooters in the UK use O&A guns...

Also, what is your opinion of the .17HMR round? Is it as good as everyone says for small game/ varmint hunting. Its just I heard some guy at the range saying he could headshot rabbits with it at 200 yards. Pretty good for a rimfire.
My personal preference is towards sexy O/U style, and .17 HMR is great for small game.
Sexy O&A it is then :)
have fun, and no worries about earlier

Goodbye hard earned moneys...

And yeah, I'm really keen on getting a .17HMR to rid the garden of rabbits and pigeons, as well as a bit of plinking and target shooting. Getting hold of one will be a ***** though. UK shotgun laws are pretty reasonable, but rifles are a whole different story... :(

Hope u dont mind me answering that guys question a few posts ago :p
So you quoted me and you erm... wrote nothing?
 

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AlexTheBucket2112 said:
[http://img34.imageshack.us/i/1002873y.jpg/]

I might can get a better pic for you in few minutes, It's not mine its my dads so I need his permission
Woah... that barrel is...
Woah.
I don't think I've ever seen a firearm with that long of a barrel.
Is that even practical?

And on a light note, I now feel I can fully love the Escapist now.
Mainly because we now have a reasonable discussion about firearms now.
:D
 

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I have a question. Well, a set of questions, anyway.

Could you briefly discuss the anatomy and functional characteristics of a sniper rifle (of your choice, I'm just thinking medium- to long-range precision shooting of some sort) and talk a little bit about one or two such rifles? I've always been captivated by the one-shot-needed tool, but never really had any sort of introduction to what they actually are and do and look like.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
the FN S.C.A.R. is my favorite for the Standard issue rifle it can be chambered in 5.56 and 7.62, and the H&K 416 is being looked at to phase out the SAW due to weight issues. the XM8 has problems with melting polymer, and has no rail system for attachments. the M4 and M16-A4 will remain the workhorse of the majority of our forces for some time.
the FN Special forces Combat Assault Rifle is not a standard issue weapon. it is deployed by US-SOCOM in an attempt to create a modular combat weapon which can be altered on field to better accomidate the task at hand.

the XM8 was a poorly designed weapon which was built purely on an idea that had trouble being realized on the end. however that doesn't stop it from it being the 'future rifle' every one looks for because of its sleek smooth design.

the M249 is going to stay in service for a rather long time. the weapon is so useful that many military forces are continually investing in refurbishment programs to extend the lives of their existing weapons while also purchasing newly produced ones.

for the USMC the M249 is going to be phased out with the newly introduced IAR, an M4 varient, and the US Army plans to simply replace the old M249s with newer SAWs (Mk. 46/48)

the M16 is going to remain a primary force weapon for a very long time simply because it is one of the best weapons designed for professional armies. its high velocity round, supurb accuracy, and rate of fire make it a weapon of choice for professional armies everywhere. this is no more apparent with weapons like the M416 which take the entire weapon and simply change one facet or function to improve upon it rather than redesigning a weapon from the ground up.