Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

[GeneralGrant]

[quote="FightThePower"
sorry I took so long to answer
taken from http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_mi.htm

Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
* Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
* Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
* Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

* Permit to purchase a handgun? Yes (*License to purchase - see below)

* Registration of handguns? Yes

* Licensing of owners of handguns? No

* Permit to carry handguns? Yes. Carrying concealed or openly in a motor vehicle requires a license.

No problem for the wait, thanks mate!

 

[quiet_samurai]

Dude, creating a gun thread is just going to turn into a USA vs The Rest of the World argument.

OT: But yeah your rules you listed are good, they are pretty much the exact same ones I follow and are taught in the military and police academies.

 

[Stickyreiss]

i know fuck-all about guns...as in I know all things gun-related

so you know how to use google? theres no way to prove it because if I ask you a question, you can google it=look i know this!
why are you gloating about it anyways?

also BRB

 

[Pilot Bush]

i know fuck-all about guns...as in I know all things gun-related

so you know how to use google? theres no way to prove it because if I ask you a question, you can google it=look i know this!
why are you gloating about it anyways?

also BRB

mainly in jest, although in my day people read things called a Book

 

[cleverlymadeup]

you can claim to be "protecting" yourself but in reality the gun won't be able to do much, unless you can draw it, which in most cases you can't, you can pull the trigger, which is harder than you think, and you can NOT miss, you miss and you will probly get shot as well and they might not miss.

have you ever handled a handgun before? from what you posted I don't think you have, not flaming you, but if you have experience, it sure doesn't sound like it.

ummmm what does me handling a gun have to do with what i was saying? sorry you're trying to discredit me with a very weak argument that really has no merit in the discussion.

you're just ducking the questions and the whole argument by trying to claim i have no clue because i may or may not have handled a gun. the fact that i did or didn't has no bearing on the matter at hand.

nice try tho, i'll give you a d for effort cause it's such a bad argument

 

[Stickyreiss]

you can claim to be "protecting" yourself but in reality the gun won't be able to do much, unless you can draw it, which in most cases you can't, you can pull the trigger, which is harder than you think, and you can NOT miss, you miss and you will probly get shot as well and they might not miss.

have you ever handled a handgun before? from what you posted I don't think you have, not flaming you, but if you have experience, it sure doesn't sound like it.

ummmm what does me handling a gun have to do with what i was saying? sorry you're trying to discredit me with a very weak argument that really has no merit in the discussion.

you're just ducking the questions and the whole argument by trying to claim i have no clue because i may or may not have handled a gun. the fact that i did or didn't has no bearing on the matter at hand.

nice try tho, i'll give you a d for effort cause it's such a bad argument

What I was referring to was your claim that
"the gun won't be able to do much, unless you can draw it, which in most cases you can't, you can pull the trigger, which is harder than you think, and you can NOT miss, you miss and you will probly get shot as well and they might not miss."
without having any experience drawing, firing or aiming a pistol. these are exactly the reasons why you practice regularly if you plan on Concealed carry. While you are responding to my legitimate question with hostility, I wanted to be hostile back, but I promised to be civil, and I hope you can be too, please don't let this devolve into a flame war.

 

[Wadders]

Should I get a Remington 1100 12 bore shotgun for £410, or save up a bit more money and get a slightly more posh over and under shotgun like all the people I go shooting with. I'm fairly aware of the pro's and con's of each, I'd just like an educated second opinion. Bearing in mind I'll be mainly using it for clays, and most sporting shooters in the UK use O&A guns...

Also, what is your opinion of the .17HMR round? Is it as good as everyone says for small game/ varmint hunting. Its just I heard some guy at the range saying he could headshot rabbits with it at 200 yards. Pretty good for a rimfire.

 

[TheRundownRabbit]

As the title of this thread implies, this is a place for discussions about real life firearms. As I am reading up on gun-smithing, and feel I generally have a firm grasp on many facets of real life weaponry, I will be answering any questions that are posed.

This thread was created because I feel video games, the Media and Hollywood have created many myths and mis-truths about firearms. I like to help dispel these fallacies, and make the world a better place (in my opinion at least). All questions are welcome and will be answered in a courteous and respectful manner, and in return, I expect the discussions in this thread to be kept civil.
topics can include (but aren't limited to)

-Mechanisms and function
-myths
-stories
-legal issues
-advice
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-Requests for pictures, information, and the like are very much welcome


Being a bit of a gun nut, my opinions may conflict with yours, but I will do my best to keep things unbiased.

I will be on at least once a day, and will answer as many questions as I can. If I miss anyone feel free to point it out to me. In the event that I will be gone for an extended period of time, a notice will be posted.

All information posted is from my own knowledge, or will be posted with a citation.

If any errors or false information is posted, feel free to correct me =)

too long; didn't read: Ask me questions about guns and I will answer them.

I WILL IGNORE TROLLPOSTS and I urge others to as well

My baby is staying home while I am away at college.
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BASIC FIREARM SAFETY
always, always, always, follow these when handling a firearm, they are not toys.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.
4. ALWAYS know what is behind your target, you do NOT know if your target will stop the bullet, and an over-penetration can lead to terrible results.
5. NEVER hand someone a loaded gun, do NOT assume they know these rules.
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I do love your taste, Colt Anaconda, .44 magnum, its my favorite, revolvers are for classy guys.

And guns fucking rock!

 

[Stickyreiss]

i know fuck-all about guns...as in I know all things gun-related

so you know how to use google? theres no way to prove it because if I ask you a question, you can google it=look i know this!
why are you gloating about it anyways?

also BRB

mainly in jest, although in my day people read things called a Book

quick question. How old do you think I am that I don't read for entertainment? I admit I was mistaken in thinking you were trolling and you have my apologies.

 

[Stickyreiss]

Should I get a Remington 1100 12 bore shotgun for £410, or save up a bit more money and get a slightly more posh over and under shotgun like all the people I go shooting with. I'm fairly aware of the pro's and con's of each, I'd just like an educated second opinion. Bearing in mind I'll be mainly using it for clays, and most sporting shooters in the UK use O&A guns...

Also, what is your opinion of the .17HMR round? Is it as good as everyone says for small game/ varmint hunting. Its just I heard some guy at the range saying he could headshot rabbits with it at 200 yards. Pretty good for a rimfire.

My personal preference is towards sexy O/U style, and .17 HMR is great for small game.

 

[darkless]

3. is it true that when using a scope the unneeded eye should be kept open?

Ok I know next to nothing about guns but one thing I do know is that yes the unneeded eye should be kept open and you never place your eye against the scope, but that's just common knowledge really.

 

[Stickyreiss]

-snip-

why all the murders and no gun ban?

oh i'm sorry, i couldn't resist!

sorry about the quote but I've got a few questions if you're happy to oblige. I'm going to start hunting soon and i've got a few odd queries i'd like to ask, nothing important but just the odd little thing, since you're offering.

1. is there a functional difference between a rimfire and a centrefire? i understand the difference in mechanism, but is one a better round than the other? is a centrefire a more reliable round? is there a difference in recoil or any other effects at all?

2. i'm interested in rabbit shooting before moving on to deer, my uncle uses a shotgun but they don't interest me. would a .22 round mess a rabbit up beyond usefulness? i don't want to kill something and find out i can't eat it.

3. is it true that when using a scope the unneeded eye should be kept open?

4. and finally...settle an argument, is it safer to keep a gun pointed up or down? lets say on mud, since on a hard surface its kind of a no brainer.

1. the only rimfire I know of is .22LR (I don't know alot about small calibers)
2. .17HMR should do the trick
3. yes, also don't try to put the scope against your eye unless you want a nice black eye
4. keep your gun unloaded unless you are ready to fire, and keep the muzzle pointed towards the ground all the time, also don't sweep the muzzle across anyone's feet or anything, refer to my first post on page 1 for more safety rules

 

[Wadders]

oh i'm sorry, i couldn't resist!

sorry about the quote but I've got a few questions if you're happy to oblige. I'm going to start hunting soon and i've got a few odd queries i'd like to ask, nothing important but just the odd little thing, since you're offering.

1. is there a functional difference between a rimfire and a centrefire? i understand the difference in mechanism, but is one a better round than the other? is a centrefire a more reliable round? is there a difference in recoil or any other effects at all?

2. i'm interested in rabbit shooting before moving on to deer, my uncle uses a shotgun but they don't interest me. would a .22 round mess a rabbit up beyond usefulness? i don't want to kill something and find out i can't eat it.

3. is it true that when using a scope the unneeded eye should be kept open?

4. and finally...settle an argument, is it safer to keep a gun pointed up or down? lets say on mud, since on a hard surface its kind of a no brainer.

I can answer 1, 2, and 4

1.Centrefire fire larger rounds, used for larger game like deer. Rimfire rounds are usually used for small game and varmints. Rimfire rounds like .22 and .17HMR have little recoil in comparison to centrefire rounds, but have less accuracy over range, and are far less effective against larger targets. They are also cheaper, but cannot be reloaded (re-used) as the cartridge is deformed upon firing.

2. A .22 is fine for rabbits, as is a .17 HMR, which is another rimfire, but supposedly straighter shooting and more effective at range. People seem to use those rounds the most when shooting rabbits.

4. For shotguns (unless there double barrel and you can have them over your arm) we hold them with the barrel upwards, not sure it makes a difference though. I guess if its pointing up, if you fall over the barrel is less likely to get fucked up.

/unwanted and unneeded hijacking of Stickyreiss's thread

 

[Wadders]

Should I get a Remington 1100 12 bore shotgun for £410, or save up a bit more money and get a slightly more posh over and under shotgun like all the people I go shooting with. I'm fairly aware of the pro's and con's of each, I'd just like an educated second opinion. Bearing in mind I'll be mainly using it for clays, and most sporting shooters in the UK use O&A guns...

Also, what is your opinion of the .17HMR round? Is it as good as everyone says for small game/ varmint hunting. Its just I heard some guy at the range saying he could headshot rabbits with it at 200 yards. Pretty good for a rimfire.

My personal preference is towards sexy O/U style, and .17 HMR is great for small game.

Sexy O&A it is then

Goodbye hard earned moneys...

And yeah, I'm really keen on getting a .17HMR to rid the garden of rabbits and pigeons, as well as a bit of plinking and target shooting. Getting hold of one will be a ***** though. UK shotgun laws are pretty reasonable, but rifles are a whole different story...

Hope u dont mind me answering that guys question a few posts ago

 

[cleverlymadeup]

What I was referring to was your claim that
"the gun won't be able to do much, unless you can draw it, which in most cases you can't, you can pull the trigger, which is harder than you think, and you can NOT miss, you miss and you will probly get shot as well and they might not miss."
without having any experience drawing, firing or aiming a pistol. these are exactly the reasons why you practice regularly if you plan on Concealed carry. While you are responding to my legitimate question with hostility, I wanted to be hostile back, but I promised to be civil, and I hope you can be too, please don't let this devolve into a flame war.

ok this shows how much you do NOT know about guns and drawing them. in order for you to draw and use your gun effectively, you need at least 20-30 feet at the minimum. so if someone robs you, then you don't have a chance to pull it at all.

you can always claim that you can draw pretty quickly but if they are within 20 feet of you, then you can't draw, aim and fire before they are on top of you.

i have several friends that are in the military, the police force or security. they all agree that you need at least 20 feet and that's if you're a quick draw, if not then you need more. i've seen cops during training with a suspect 15 feet away try and draw a gun before they got taken down, every time it ended with the cop on the ground and his gun pointed at his head. they've also done this with quick draw experts, the results were the same.

so sorry you might think you know about pulling a gun but you've got no freaking idea about what you're talking about, it's even worse if you've got one of those under the arm holsters cause that makes you even slower.

also most robbers and muggers, come up behind you and either put a gun to your back or a knife to your throat while their partner robs you. so you don't really have a chance to pull a gun in that situation. so like i said it's useless unless you can pull it

 

[GreyWolf257]

Nice thread. I know some people who should read this, all of them idiots who should probably never be around a gun. I went out to the range once and had my moron friend just spinning around like an idiot, pointing it everywhere; needless to say, we don't talk much anymore. They should really teach this stuff in school.

OT: A friend of the family was sitting at home a few weeks ago when he heard some one walking on his back deck. He went to his room and looked out the window and saw a man outside his home. He quickly reached in his desk and grabbed his gun, causing the man to run off. He then called the police and had them come to his home. They arrived there 45 MINUTES later!

 

[Stickyreiss]

What I was referring to was your claim that
"the gun won't be able to do much, unless you can draw it, which in most cases you can't, you can pull the trigger, which is harder than you think, and you can NOT miss, you miss and you will probly get shot as well and they might not miss."
without having any experience drawing, firing or aiming a pistol. these are exactly the reasons why you practice regularly if you plan on Concealed carry. While you are responding to my legitimate question with hostility, I wanted to be hostile back, but I promised to be civil, and I hope you can be too, please don't let this devolve into a flame war.

ok this shows how much you do NOT know about guns and drawing them. in order for you to draw and use your gun effectively, you need at least 20-30 feet at the minimum. so if someone robs you, then you don't have a chance to pull it at all.

you can always claim that you can draw pretty quickly but if they are within 20 feet of you, then you can't draw, aim and fire before they are on top of you.

i have several friends that are in the military, the police force or security. they all agree that you need at least 20 feet and that's if you're a quick draw, if not then you need more. i've seen cops during training with a suspect 15 feet away try and draw a gun before they got taken down, every time it ended with the cop on the ground and his gun pointed at his head. they've also done this with quick draw experts, the results were the same.

so sorry you might think you know about pulling a gun but you've got no freaking idea about what you're talking about, it's even worse if you've got one of those under the arm holsters cause that makes you even slower.

also most robbers and muggers, come up behind you and either put a gun to your back or a knife to your throat while their partner robs you. so you don't really have a chance to pull a gun in that situation. so like i said it's useless unless you can pull it

Why are you so upset? This thread is for people to have civil discussions, not flame each other. while you make a valid point, I never said anything about the range at which the confrontation was taking place, in fact, I posted this earlier

4. If you're being threatened with a gun, drawing your own is, imo, FAR more likely to result in someone getting hurt than just backing down and letting the police handle it. Loosing your life over a mugging's not worth you wallet or phone.

not really concerned with the rest, but if the criminal gets the drop on you. you're screwed. hand over what he wants. If you are aware of of your surroundings (not paranoid) you can prevent the situation in the majority of the time.

Prevention is the best method. When I say be aware of your surroundings, I mean staying away from high crime areas when possible, when in these areas, travel with at least one other person, If you must walk alone in a deserted area (such as taking a shortcut in an urban environment) do it in daylight and make sure you know the area well.
Please try to reply in a civil manner from now on.