Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

[manaman]

"there is air in the bullet" i see where you are going with this but to clarify, gunpowder contains oxidizers which "burn" and create oxygen to fuel the other propellants, allowing it to fire even in a vacuum, also the gunpowder is in the casing, not the bullet. again, just clarifying things.

I was simplifying. He seemed to need it. If you really wanted to get into it you could even start to describe the primers. How modern firearms wouldn't be effective if there where not oxidizers present in the powder, and on and on.

 

[Jive_pimp]

I'm mostly just bitter about getting owned by dual wielders in MW2 all the time.

Every time someone brings up gun control, people on the other side say let the police handle it. Time from when a burglar enters your house to when he could hurt or kill you: I'd give that one a minute tops. Police response time: average 8 or so minutes, isn't it?

If it really is a burglar-they're unlikely to be hurting/killing you unless you decide to try and fight him. They're there for your stuff, not for you.

I'm not a real confrontational person. My main concern if being burgled wold be to keep my son safe. It doesnt seem worth it to escalate the situation when I can get all my stuff back fruwom insurance.

That being said I beleive that everyone has the right to defend there property how they see fit. I read in a local news paper about a man using a gun to deter someone who broke into his hsoue. He faced charges after the incident. That always struck me as unfair and stupid.

 

[Stickyreiss]

What do you think is the most persistant gun myth?

too many are just blatantly ridiculous to list here, a simple Google search will point you in the right direction.

This might be a clueless question-but I'm debating buying a pistol this summer. What exactly do you need to do to legally own a firearm in the US?

what state, how old are you, and how is your police, medical, and mental health record?

Michigan, 21, I'm clean on all of those.

sorry I took so long to answer
taken from http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_mi.htm

Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
* Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
* Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
* Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

* Permit to purchase a handgun? Yes (*License to purchase - see below)

* Registration of handguns? Yes

* Licensing of owners of handguns? No

* Permit to carry handguns? Yes. Carrying concealed or openly in a motor vehicle requires a license.

 

[hittite]

Oh, yes, check out this video.


dual wielding: you're doing it right.

I know he's inaccurate, but would you stand anywhere in front of him?

 

[ratix2]

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That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.

majorly simplified answer: If owning guns is a criminal act, law abiding citizens will not have them, the majority criminals however will not be stopped. Then, how do we defend ourselves in a threatening situation? I can go on if you want, thats just the one of the strongest points IMO.
*EDIT*
My most recent paper was actually about the firearms policies in america, and i can post excerpts if requested

That argument comes up a lot, and I always think that it is very unlikely that the ordinary citizen would be able to effectively defend himself or herself when faced with a criminal with a gun, AND if the country's prohibition laws work properly, the average criminal will either not have access to a gun or would not use the gun to rob an ordinary citizen.

I think the last point is key.

And to answer AlexTheBucket I was talking to a judge yesterday and he said that most countries have constitutions (he was talking about how the UK doesn't have a constitution).

first off, that point you think is key is bunk. MOST guns used in crimes in the united states are illegally possessed to begin with, so you argument that the criminals wont use them is flawed.

second, when you look at the us as a whole yes, the violent crime rates are high. HOWEVER, when you look at each individual state the situation becomes much different. funnily enough the states with the MOST RESTRICTIVE gun laws also usually happen to have the HIGHEST violent crime rates, where states with more lax gun laws typically have LOWER violent crime rates.

also, when you factor in prosecution of gun crimes (aka, illegal gun ownership), those states that prosecute violators of such crimes again have lower crime rates. as an example, virginia, a state with only 16 million residents, had more prosecutions in 2002 for people found with illegal weapons than california, pennsylvania, new york, illionis and washington dc COMBINED, despite those states having a population of over 100 million combined. another fact is that in washington dc2002, out of over 2000 illegal gun owners arrested, only 2 were actually prosecuted.

and heres some more facts. despite america having a higher violent crime rate countries with restrictive gun laws, those same countries typically have higher petty crime rates (home burglary, robbery, muggings, etc) than the us. also, germany, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, has had 3 times more school shootings resulting in 5 times more deaths than the us has.

sorry, but guns arent the problem, the problem is loopholes that allow criminals to get guns in the first place and court systems that dont prosecute laws that are in effect.

finally, how would the ordinary citizen NOT be able to effectively defend themselves against those threatening them with guns? do you know women who are in a threatening situation have a significantly higher chance of escaping unharmed if they even pull out a gun, let alone use it? the statistics are there, people CAN effectively defend themselves with guns, and MOST OF THE TIME they can do so without ever firing it.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Would you rather see the Xm8, FN SCAR, HK 416 or Colt M4 in service with American troops?

I seem to suffer from Hunter S Thompson syndrome, I don't really like guns, but am fascinated by them.

The Xm8 doesn't even work right in real life. The stupid thing melts after a while so thats why its stilll an "Experimental" gun. Another term for: Waste of taxpayer dollars. Edit: Its a shame to since if the gun didn't melt it would have better performance than the AK 47.

 

[manaman]

I'm mostly just bitter about getting owned by dual wielders in MW2 all the time.

Every time someone brings up gun control, people on the other side say let the police handle it. Time from when a burglar enters your house to when he could hurt or kill you: I'd give that one a minute tops. Police response time: average 8 or so minutes, isn't it?

If it really is a burglar-they're unlikely to be hurting/killing you unless you decide to try and fight him. They're there for your stuff, not for you.

I'm not a real confrontational person. My main concern if being burgled wold be to keep my son safe. It doesnt seem worth it to escalate the situation when I can get all my stuff back fruwom insurance.

That being said I beleive that everyone has the right to defend there property how they see fit. I read in a local news paper about a man using a gun to deter someone who broke into his hsoue. He faced charges after the incident. That always struck me as unfair and stupid.

I have homeowners insurance, but until you have had to try and make a claim I guess you wouldn't have an idea how difficult it is to actually get them to pay up. My business was broken into they didn't steal anything really valuable but they did do about $30,000 worth of damage. I still am waiting for them to process about $12,000 of that and send the check to me. It has already been months just to get what I have received. That was easy to prove as it was damage to current projects and I was able to show the paper work on hours put into the project and cost and materials. Also received a small amount to cover the time lost on the project. This way I was able to pass on a significant savings to the customer as a thanks for putting up with the delay.

Why am I explaining this? Because they will sucker you every way you can and I would rather not have to put up with the hassle. Like trying to rely totally on emergency services. I am not always in an area where I get cell phone reception, or where officers can even get to the scene (I have two tracked vehicles that mostly see use during the winter, they can go places no other type of vehicle can go). I would much rather have a weapon by my side during these times. You never know what you are going to run into, and I have already run into a coyote that was rabid. I would rather we allow people that have proven themselves trustworthy to arm themselves then try to remove guns entirely. Not long back it was two armed men who stopped a shooting in the Tacoma Mall. It was an elderly man armed with a shotgun who stopped a burglary attempt, and shoot the man who was going to rape his granddaughter, his 7 year old granddaughter.

Don't think you are safe either just because nobody can have weapons. A gang of children 15-18 beat an elderly man to death in the middle of the day in Tacoma, just over a block from where I used to live in the town. Hell if the laws telling those kids to be in school couldn't even be enforced how am I to trust the laws restricting other things.

 

[Stickyreiss]

I'm mostly just bitter about getting owned by dual wielders in MW2 all the time.

Every time someone brings up gun control, people on the other side say let the police handle it. Time from when a burglar enters your house to when he could hurt or kill you: I'd give that one a minute tops. Police response time: average 8 or so minutes, isn't it?

If it really is a burglar-they're unlikely to be hurting/killing you unless you decide to try and fight him. They're there for your stuff, not for you.

I'm not a real confrontational person. My main concern if being burgled wold be to keep my son safe. It doesnt seem worth it to escalate the situation when I can get all my stuff back fruwom insurance.

That being said I beleive that everyone has the right to defend there property how they see fit. I read in a local news paper about a man using a gun to deter someone who broke into his hsoue. He faced charges after the incident. That always struck me as unfair and stupid.

for your described home defense situation, I would recommend a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 12 Ga. Keep it in a safe of course (they sell gun safes with a quick unlock fingerprint reader as well as the traditional lock) in the event of a break in, you don't want to take the chance that the intruder will get scared coming across the resident, or they might be on drugs, etc. and try to harm you. in any case, In your situation I would not want to leave the fate of my family up to whether or not the intruder will find you and if so, whether they will leave you alone or harm you. The best plan would be to grab your weapon and gather your family in one room with one door. lock the door and keep your family out of sight from the door. watch the door yourself, and have somebody call the police. this way, the chance of confrontation is minimized, but god forbid he/she/they find you and your family, your fate is controllable and not left in the intruder's hands.
take my advice for what it is worth, I do not want to push my opinions on you.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

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OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.

Other countries weren't made by the gun. We came from England with guns. We hunted with guns. We fought for our independence with guns. We spanned our borders with the gun. We defended ourselves with guns. Guns are our country's childhood friends.

Should we keep our guns at the ready? maybe, maybe not. But we will.

 

[Kontar]

OT: Ever seen a bolt action shotgun? We just got one, a very interesting piece of work.

Funny that you mention this, I just inherited my grandfather's bolt action 20-gauge. It is a very fun gun to fire. It looks exactly like the one you posted a picture of.

 

[ottenni]

BASIC FIREARM SAFETY
always, always, always, follow these when handling a firearm, they are not toys.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.

I think we can add to this.

4. NEVER hand someone a loaded firearm. Just because the safety is on doesn't mean that the firearm will not fire.
5. When firing check for possible surfaces that could cause a ricochet and check behind the target.

Another useful tip is when you have finished firing fire in a safe direction after taking out the magazine to check that there is no bullet in the chamber.

 

[kannibus]

Oh, yes, check out this video.


dual wielding: you're doing it right.

I know he's inaccurate, but would you stand anywhere in front of him?

That is some Rambo shit. Awesome.

I'd say though, I've still got a thing for the old Lee-Enfields. It's the gun my mom taught me to shoot with.

 

[Stickyreiss]

BASIC FIREARM SAFETY
always, always, always, follow these when handling a firearm, they are not toys.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.

I think we can add to this.

4. NEVER hand someone a loaded firearm. Just because the safety is on doesn't mean that the firearm will not fire.
5. When firing check for possible surfaces that could cause a ricochet and check behind the target.

Another useful tip is when you have finished firing fire in a safe direction after taking out the magazine to check that there is no bullet in the chamber.

i knew i forgot something adding those now.

 

[Ph33nix]

I have a 12 gauge pump made by a gunsmith somewhere. Not one of those big companies but by some guy in a shop by hand. I love it. Most beautiful gun I have ever seen with its ornate carvings and smooth action. Light as a feather too...which mean it kicks like a mule...but still a beauty. but i digress

O.T. would you happen to know the capacity of the widened m1911s the one with 2 stacks in mag? I have seen them before But i can't find any info about them.

adds a lot of width for only 2 more rounds, also they are purportedly less reliable, and more likely to jam

really i am quite surprised.

 

[cathou]

i really need to point out that :

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition.

opposed to :

think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.

A responsible gun owner for me, will keep ammunition locked, put a lock on the trigger, and put all that in a locked safebox.

it doesnt take seconds to draw in those condition. If you unload you gun, but let the ammunition on a desk beside the gun, i dont see it as safe. any 7 years old kid can pickup the gun, load it and kill someone by accident

 

[Low Key]

I was thinking of getting a .45 ACP handgun sometime in the near future. Any recommendations? I was talking to a guy from the NRA and he said get a Springfield but I was looking at a Kimber Ultra Carry II and it looks too damn sexy. I also heard SIGs are pretty good too.

Mainly, I want something with stopping power, but compact enough that it won't gouge into me too much when I get my conceal & carry permit, not like I'll be carrying that much anyways. It'll pretty much be a range gun.

And also, how many rounds should I fire before a gun is considered "broken in" in your experience? I have heard anywhere from 500-1000 rounds.

i really need to point out that :

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition.

opposed to :

think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.

A responsible gun owner for me, will keep ammunition locked, put a lock on the trigger, and put all that in a locked safebox.

it doesnt take seconds to draw in those condition. If you unload you gun, but let the ammunition on a desk beside the gun, i dont see it as safe. any 7 years old kid can pickup the gun, load it and kill someone by accident

It's a safe bet if someone is breaking into your house, they won't rush straight for the bedrooms. That should give you some time to unlock the gun, get ammo, load it, and be ready.

 

[Stickyreiss]

i really need to point out that :

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition.

opposed to :

think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.

A responsible gun owner for me, will keep ammunition locked, put a lock on the trigger, and put all that in a locked safebox.

it doesnt take seconds to draw in those condition. If you unload you gun, but let the ammunition on a desk beside the gun, i dont see it as safe. any 7 years old kid can pickup the gun, load it and kill someone by accident

when I said it takes seconds to draw, I was referring to a Concealed Carry situation (Civilians who open carry are attention whores, any argument they make against this point is null and void because they are lying) In a Home Defense situation, you have more time to prepare, allowing you to get your weapon and load it.

 

[Jive_pimp]

i really need to point out that :

think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.

A responsible gun owner for me, will keep ammunition locked, put a lock on the trigger, and put all that in a locked safebox.

it doesnt take seconds to draw in those condition. If you unload you gun, but let the ammunition on a desk beside the gun, i dont see it as safe. any 7 years old kid can pickup the gun, load it and kill someone by accident

I was 10 and my brother was 7 when we were introduced to guns. From that moment on we knew they were not toys nor something to be taken lightly.
edit- Guns in canada must be locked in a safe with trigger locks on. It's not convert a bedroom closet to a safe. Instead of going to the basement or another room your guns are close by if you get broken in to.

The half of Saskatoon I live on is pretty mellow. My immediate neighbourhood is nostly old people, young families, and hipsters. I am working on getting my PAL. I kind of want to have my own gun if I'm gonna get back into hunting

 

[Kontar]

You know much about lever action rifles? I have fired a few different kinds, Winchester 30/30 (don't remember the model) and a Marlin 444, I liked them both a lot. I'm looking to buy a lever action rifle to replace my old bolt action hunting rifle, you have any suggestions?

Edit: Also, the debate over whether America should ban guns or not is moot. We are allowed to own guns, it will probably always be that way, and you won't be able to sway the opposing view to your side. It's like arguing which is better, cake or pie.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

Where'd you get your Anaconda? I thought they quit production of them in 1995.

Tis a beautiful gun, that.