Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

[Stickyreiss]

Why are you so upset? This thread is for people to have civil discussions, not flame each other. while you make a valid point, I never said anything about the range at which the confrontation was taking place, in fact, I posted this earlier

please don't put words or emotions into my mouth or my words, i'm not upset in the least. you've assumed way too much and really don't know that much about what you are talking about when it comes to "protection with a gun"

if you rely on a weapon to keep you safe, you are dead or going to the hospital because they won't help you at all.

While you may not be upset, the tone of your posts is insulting to say the least. And you seem to have ignored that I said that having a good knowledge of your surroundings and avoiding problems is the best bet.

well then how would the gun actually protect you? you don't need a gun at that point. thanks for proving my point of using a gun for protection is not needed.

I don't even know what to say, you have some of the most convoluted logic I've seen, it's late at night, I've been studying for finals all week, and I am too tired to continue this. It is my choice to concealed carry (I don't now, but might after I graduate) and It is your choice not to. lets leave it at that.

 

[Stickyreiss]

So I finally get to fire a .50 Taurus raging bull...
flew out of my hand and broke a light in the ceiling...

except Taurus doesn't make the raging bull in .50
fuck off troll

The Raging Bull comes as all the following:

Model 218 (Raging Bee)
.218 Bee caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 22H (Raging Hornet)
.22 Hornet caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 223 (Raging 223)
.223 Remington caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only[3][4][5].
Model 30C (Raging Thirty)
.30 Carbine caliber, 10" barrel. Stainless steel only.
Model 416
.41 Magnum caliber.
Model 444
.44 Magnum caliber, can also fire the shorter .44 Special.
Model 444 Ultralite
compact .44 with a 4" barrel. Blued and titanium only.
Model 454
.454 Casull caliber, can also fire the less powerful .45 Colt.
Model 480
.480 Ruger caliber.
Model 500
.500 S&W Magnum caliber, can also fire the shorter .500 S&W Special.

They may not make the Model 500 anymore, but they still exist, and you can still find them.

forgive me, the largest size I have seen was .480
that poster is still a troll however.

 

[Stickyreiss]

I?m looking into getting a rifle in the ~$700-$1000 range with a 16in barrel and preferably a folding or collapsible stock. I like 5.56 because I don?t have a rifle chambered in it yet so I was looking at the DPMS Panther AP4 Carbine. Can you recommend any other rifles I should check out before I buy?

If it's not your first, try building your own, you can get all the best parts (manufacturers usually do some things right, and some things wrong on their p remade weapons) it will take longer, but the end result will be better
also, make sure you get Magpul P-mags, everything else pales in comparison.

 

[manaman]

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that poster is still a troll however.

Oh yeah, totally agree with you on that one. I have never seen recoil actually knock the gun out of someone's hands. The reaction time just doesn't seem to be there. It tends to force their arm up, sometimes hitting themselves, and then releasing the gun, but never just fly out of their hands. It would have to take practically not having a grip period on the gun.

Even if it flew out of their hands, to hit the ceiling? Right, sure.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

...
OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.

The problem with this question is the argument will never get you anywhere. Just a short example of the resonable points and counter points made in such a discussion:

Anti Gun: Guns kill people
Pro Gun: No, people kill people.

Anti Gun: Guns support criminal enterprises
Pro Gun: Guns allow citizens to protect themselves.

Anti Gun: Guns are no longer required to secure the common defense.
Pro Gun: Guns were kept in our hands as a final countermeasure against governmental tyranny.

Anti Gun: The founders couldn't have known how lethal guns would become in the future
Pro Gun: They never put a restriction on the kinds of gun you could own. Cannons would have been included on the list.

Anti Gun: Outlawing guns would reduce violent crime
Pro Gun: Outlawing guns ensures only the criminals have them

I could go on. This sort of thing does back and forth, people get frustrated and start insulting one another and at the end of it all you'll almost certainly never come up with an argument that hasn't been proven a failure by the other side.

Moreover, your initial point (that rate of gun ownership influences murder rate) is a difficult one to support. While you could certainly point to percentage of murder's by firearm to support your claim, someone else could point out that Yemen has fewer murders per capita in spite of having a virtually non-existant central government, an assault weapon saturation rate in excess of 3 weapons per family (as in AK-47's and the like) and a culture that views murder as a perfectly resonable method to resolve disputes. By the same token, the US only ranks #24 in murders per capita at a rate of 1 per 25,000 each year. Qatar comes in at the bottom of the list with only 1 per 1,000,000. The problem with such comparisons is that they don't really tell us anything. People get murdered and a certain percentage get killed with firearms. Does the presence of firearms affect murder rate or are the other issues at stake? Is it possible that a relatively lax criminal justice system combined with a culture built upon stress, overnight success and the threat of crippling failure is to blame instead?

Honestly, I'd like to recieve a definitive answer on the issue at some point but I suspect it will never happen. Out of thousands of murders each year I suspect you'd find at least a thousand unique reasons for the killing.

For the record, I possess a single firearm. A springfield XD-40 sub-compact to be exact. I have my CC for Texas but I rarely exercise my right to carry. My weapon spends most of it's time in a case in my closet and spends about an hour a month at the range (or however long it takes me to fire off a box of .40 S&W) and about the same being cleaned and maintained each month.

 

[Stickyreiss]

"there is air in the bullet" i see where you are going with this but to clarify, gunpowder contains oxidizers which "burn" and create oxygen to fuel the other propellants, allowing it to fire even in a vacuum, also the gunpowder is in the casing, not the bullet. again, just clarifying things.

I was simplifying. He seemed to need it. If you really wanted to get into it you could even start to describe the primers. How modern firearms wouldn't be effective if there where not oxidizers present in the powder, and on and on.

Beleive it or not, I didn't need it. My wording was more out of being painfully bored by the phrasing of the question that didn't involve someone fucking a loaded gun.

Also, I didn't think that the oxygen produced by the lighting gunpowder would be enough to carry the explosion in a vacuum.

yes, it does. I can go and look up the science behind it, But you can trust me that it's true

 

[300lb. Samoan]

also enjoy your $2000 xbox-huge pistol with 8 round capacity, firing at $2 a shot ;3

about the Desert Eagle... I have a noob's question:

Is it a ceremonial weapon, or what? At $2/round it's not economically practical (in terms of a sidearm), it's too large and ungainly for effective self-defense, and the name to me sounds like the firearms equivalent of a ceremonial blade. Perhaps my reason for believing this is supported by my friend, who bought a DE shortly after his first tour in Iraq. I don't believe he's shot it since shortly after it was first purchased, and it's main purpose is to commemorate the duty he has served our nation. So essentially, it's a trophy gun.

So somebody tell me, is that the main intent behind the gun historically, or was it built with a practical purpose in mind? I can only think of the following good uses for a gun like the Desert Eagle:
1) Looking bad-ass in movies
2) Looking bad-ass and in-charge in impoverished African nations
3) Headshots in Counter-Strike
4) Ceremonial executions (COD4 style)
5) Trophy gun

 

[Rahnzan]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1198792/american_dad_guns_kill/

 

[Stickyreiss]

also enjoy your $2000 xbox-huge pistol with 8 round capacity, firing at $2 a shot ;3

about the Desert Eagle... I have a noob's question:

Is it a ceremonial weapon, or what? At $2/round it's not economically practical (in terms of a sidearm), it's too large and ungainly for effective self-defense, and the name to me sounds like the firearms equivalent of a ceremonial blade. Perhaps my reason for believing this is supported by my friend, who bought a DE shortly after his first tour in Iraq. I don't believe he's shot it since shortly after it was first purchased, and it's main purpose is to commemorate the duty he has served our nation. So essentially, it's a trophy gun.

So somebody tell me, is that the main intent behind the gun historically, or was it built with a practical purpose in mind? I can only think of the following good uses for a gun like the Desert Eagle:
1) Looking bad-ass in movies
2) Looking bad-ass and in-charge in impoverished African nations
3) Headshots in Counter-Strike
4) Ceremonial executions (COD4 style)
5) Trophy gun

1- yes
2- no,they have gold plated AK's for that (the ammunition is too hard to find)
3- and akimbo in MW2
4- no
5- yes
6- the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) issues them to some soldiers [citation needed]
7- people with small penises
8- trolling legitimate weapons forums
9- "because we can"

 

[Heeman89]

wow what an awesome idea for thread...

I'm approaching the age where in the US I can legally purchase a handgun of my own and I intend to do so, do you have any particular handguns you would recommend?

(question in question) A friend of mine owns a HK P2000 and I like it when I fired off a magazine at the range, but I would like something in a different caliber (the P2000 I shot was 9x19mm) have you heard anything about any of HK's other models in higher caliber?

(hope these are appropriate questions, I am looking for advice)

 

[Stickyreiss]

wow what an awesome idea for thread...

I'm approaching the age where in the US I can legally purchase a handgun of my own and I intend to do so, do you have any particular handguns you would recommend?

(question in question) A friend of mine owns a HK P2000 and I like it when I fired off a magazine at the range, but I would like something in a different caliber (the P2000 I shot was 9x19mm) have you heard anything about any of HK's other models in higher caliber?

(hope these are appropriate questions, I am looking for advice)

other manufacturers can do what H&K does for a lot less, Sig or Glock would be my recommendations, try and find one that can accept conversion kits, $500 pistol plus $100-200 conversion, and you can shoot 2 calibers
for a beginner, get a .22LR and 9mm
ask the dealer for options, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Sig P226

 

[Stickyreiss]

FUN TRIVIA TIME
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First person to label these correctly wins an INTERNET and some cake as well
specifics are needed as in specific model and variant information, (you can call the musket a musket) and if no one gets 100% i will take the top score. The contest ends on Sunday the 13th.

 

[Heeman89]

FUN TRIVIA TIME
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First person to label these correctly wins an INTERNET and some cake as well
specifics are needed, (you can call the musket a musket) and if no one gets 100% i will take the top score

Top row: ak47, hk g36c, f2000, m16, aug a1
2nd row: mp5SD, famas, xm8, enfield l85a2, scar-h
3rd row: dragunov, barret 50 cal, remmington 870, dk 4th, m1 garand
4th row: musket pistol(?), p90, uzi, g36c, pineapple grenade
5th row: berreta 9mm, taurus(?), dk 3rd, desert eagle, glock

 

[Stickyreiss]

Top row: ak47, hk g36c, f2000, m16, aug al
2nd row: mp5SD, famas, xm8, enfield l85a2, scar-h
3rd row: dragunov, barret 50 cal, remmington 870, dk 4th, m1 garand
4th row: musket pistol(?), p90, uzi, g36c, pineapple grenade
5th row: berreta 9mm, taurus(?), dk 3rd, desert eagle, glock

12/25, 48%(being forgiving)
8/25, 32%(New Grading Scale)

 

[Robert0288]

4th row #1 looks like a flint lock mussel loader something or other
5th row #3 looks more like a SIG to me

 

[Notere]

other manufacturers can do what H&K does for a lot less, Sig or Glock would be my recommendations, try and find one that can accept conversion kits, $500 pistol plus $100-200 conversion, and you can shoot 2 calibers
for a beginner, get a .22LR and 9mm
ask the dealer for options, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Sig P226

Referring to earlier in the thread, I contend, merely, that some pistol users prefer to adjust to recoil for their preferred weapon - the examples being the .44 mag and .45 acp. If you can fire a colt high power with the accuracy and recoil adjustment time of a beretta elite, all the better.

Reason one would be that the first shot does the work when potentially off-target where a round with lesser power would merely wound. Two shots are a guarantee, and even if the first shot doesn't connect, they're going to duck, which makes the second shot easier to aim. It's harder to be accurate in unexpected situations.

Reason two, the lesser, would be that it's a better fit. Some people are built to handle larger weapons and something like a glock in a hand the size of a ham (fit OR fat) isn't going to be comfortable.

 

[Robert0288]

top: AK-74, HK G36 with folded/removed stock ,TAR-21, AR-16, Styr A1
2nd: MP5SD, FAMAS, XM8, L85A1, FN SCAR-L
3rd: dragunov SVD, Barret M82A1, Benelli M3, M1 grande
4th: Flinklock pistol, FN P90, Ingram MAC 10, G36c, Pinapple 'Nade
5th: Berretta 92f, ?, SigP226, Desert Eagle, Glock 20

 

[Notere]

Ripping the answers I think MOST of them are right

top: AK-74, HK G36 with folded/removed stock ,TAR-21, AR-16, Styr A1
2nd: MP5SD, FAMAS, XM8, L85A1, FN SCAR-L
3rd: dragunov SVD, Barret M82A1, Remington 870, MG-42 Lee Enfield .303 Nr. 4
4th: Flinklock pistol, FN P90, Ingram MAC 10, G36c, Vietnam-era M-61 Frag grenade
5th: Berretta 92f, SOCOM .45 (Note the raised rear iron sights, extended trigger guard designed for gloves, and the longer barrel for the silencer), SigP226, Desert Eagle, Glock 20

Edited for grenade

 

[Stickyreiss]

top: AK-74, HK G36 with folded/removed stock ,TAR-21, AR-16, Styr A1
2nd: MP5SD, FAMAS, XM8, L85A1, FN SCAR-L
3rd: dragunov SVD, Barret M82A1, Benelli M3, M1 grande
4th: Flinklock pistol, FN P90, Ingram MAC 10, G36c, Pinapple 'Nade
5th: Berretta 92f, ?, SigP226, Desert Eagle, Glock 20

6/25, 24%

EDIT: the Musket pistol must be identified by the action

 

[Stickyreiss]

Ripping the answers I think MOST of them are right

top: AK-74, HK G36 with folded/removed stock ,TAR-21, AR-16, Styr A1
2nd: MP5SD, FAMAS, XM8, L85A1, FN SCAR-L
3rd: dragunov SVD, Barret M82A1, Remington 870, Lee Enfield .303 Nr. 4
4th: Flinklock pistol, FN P90, Ingram MAC 10, G36c, Vietnam-era M-61 Frag grenade
5th: Berretta 92f, SOCOM .45 (Note the raised rear iron sights, extended trigger guard designed for gloves, and the longer barrel for the silencer), SigP226, Desert Eagle, Glock 20

7/25, 28%

EDIT: upon further inspection the first one is actually incredibly difficult. there is one telltale sign however.