Poll: Flood (Halo), Replicators (Stargate), or the Borg (Star Trek)?

[oliveira8]

we don't allow VS threads in this forum

but we allow VS VS?

This is not actually a vs thread. It started out who is your favourite and then every post it grew into a Vs threa.

 

[blinkgun96]

The Flood came first too didnt it? I mean before the head crab... not that its relevent.

Headcrabs made their debut in Half Life 1 in 1998.

A friend and myself couldnt remeber if the head crabs were in half life 1 thank you.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

I don't buy it. At best they could take over a sphere or a basic cube. The Borg would simply send a tactical cube instead. Or two. Or ten. Or a thousand. Or a million. Apparently the Flood can barely use what they've got - if they could use them well, they would not have been defeated.

No, the Flood is very smart. They won't fight a battle they can't win. The Flood doesn't do ship-to-ship combat anyway, they board enemy vessels. And their favorite way of boarding combat ships is to crash other ships into them. And don't say they'd never be able to, the Flood is more than capable of warp jumping their ship to within a few kilometers of the enemy.

And don't say that's a waste of a ship either, the Flood can repair ships that anyone/thing else would have written off as scrap.[/quote]A few kilometers? The Flood could bring a ship out of warp a few meters from a Borg cube and use the momentum to smash right through. Remember how that brain form was able to bring that ship out of slipsace INSIDE High Charity? Or how they were able to safely come out of slipspace inside Earth's atmosphere? They didn't come out of slipspace above Earth and then enter the atmosphere, they warped into its atmosphere and used the momentum to smash right into the surface. It took about a day for the Flood to infest the entire African continent. The Elites had to glass (use orbital weaponry to superheat the planets surface until all sand, concrete, etc... has been turned to glass. Literally glassing the planet) the entire continent to get rid of the flood.

 

[magicmonkeybars]

I voted borg, they might not be smart but atleast they value something beyond singular domination.
you can argue that they have a culture far beyond that of the hyper inteligent flood or the mindless conquest of the replicators.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

I said the Flood never have both the motivation and ability in any Halo Universe stories. Either they are imprisoned on Forerunner constructs with no metal to speak of save the nigh invulnerable alloy the place is made of (not to mention the Sentinels suppressing them) or they have space faring societies to take over.

You mean the have NO space faring societies to take over? Anyway, at some point they get ships, right? So why don't they take those ships, go hide, and build up the fleet that I just mentioned? I don't see the Flood from your description ever loosing the motivation - just the ability.

Have you even played the Halo games? The Flood were in a hurry. If they had waited to build up a fleet, they would have been completely annihilated. The Prophets (religious and political leaders of the Covenant, a massive theocracy composed of 7 alien races) believe that activating the Halo Array will initiate "The Great Journey" and bring the righteous to heaven. You see, they believe the Forerunners were gods that ascended to Heaven using the Halos.

From the first game to the last, the Prophets' main goal was to fire the Halos. They were ignorant of the Halo's true purpose. If the Flood had waited and built up a fleet, the Master Chief would have failed and the Prophet of Truth (one of the 3 most powerful Prophets) would have been able to activate all the Halos simultaneously using the Ark. Hell, the only reason the Master Chief was successful in the second game was because of the Flood. The Covenant was the Flood's top priority, the UNSC was only seen as a mild threat, which, in fact, they were.

Oh, and here's a tidbit of info I thought you might find interesting: The Flood took over the Covenant's capital city, High Charity. No, I don't mean some capital city on some planet somewhere. High Charity is a space station. A mobile space station about twice the size of the original Death Star. The Flood brought a ship out of slipspace INSIDE the city and took it over. The Flood literally grew over the walls, the ceilings, and every other surface. They turned it into a giant Flood cyborg spaceship thing. A fusion of Flood biomass and technology. Then they hooked up a massive Brain Form/proto-gravemind to pilot it. High Charity didn't have enough power for anything really since The Prophet of Truth had flown the Forerunner dreadnought that was powering it out of the City and flew to Earth. High Charity was designed to use the Forerunner Dreadnought as power, it did not have backup generators powerful enough to power the entire thing. But, of course, this is no problem for the Flood.
They shut down many of the doors in High Charity, brought many of its computers offline, and shut down many of the other systems. Then they grew doors where needed and set up a massive proto-gravemind. The proto-gravemind was smart enough to manage all of High Charity's subsystems and to pilot it without the aid of High Charity's computers. Now that is intelligence.

Replicators and Borg is competition
Halo - Flood is a complete different topic... WHY IS THAT THERE!?!?!? AHHHH
anyway id vote for Borg since i been a treky fan since ages

Funny enough the original thread was Replicators vs The Flood.

Then I suggested the Borg.

FOOL!! because of you Star Trek nerds shall flock here and unbalance the poll!!! You've doomed us all!!

You should have complained 5 pages ago! xD

Also I wasnt the one.

oh ok, i was kinda wondering why one would bring in the startrek geeks into a reasonable disscussion.

Meh say what you want, but I think with that the Borg in the mixture makes the thread more interesting, and more fun to discuss.

Yea, and besides, the Star Trek nerds aren't winning. The Borg are losing the poll by 30 points. The Flood is only losing by 2. Difference much?

we don't allow VS threads in this forum

but we allow VS VS?

stupid vs threads that quickly descend into flamewars filled with stupid are not allowed. Vs threads that are used to discuss the strenghts and weaknesses of different species and universes are allowed. So far, this is nothing like a flamewar. It's an interesting, albeit very nerdy, discussion.

EDIT: oliveira8 is right. This didn't start out as a vs. thread, it started out as a "Who do you think is more badass/who do you like more?" thread, but since most people think the most powerful species is the most badass and the coolest and the one most deserving of their favoritism, this turned into a vs thread.

 

[oliveira8]

This thread made me wanna rewatch Stargate Sg-1 and ST:TNG...guess now I have something to do during spring break.

Gee thanks alot -Seraph- and Epoik Kruden...

Edit: to above ^

Maybe there aint that many Star Trek fans on the boards or many people simply dont recognize The Borg cause they never saw the old Star Trek series.

 

[Elim Garak]

whats ur point all i said was that the borg are at the bottom of the polls.
seriously, dude its just a sci-fi race, just as much as the flood are mearly a cloud fo ones and zeros, dont have to just shoot down everyones arguments because you want your favorite thing to win, thats kinda childish, im done aruging with someone that thinks they know everything about one thing.

Pass - not going to reply until you learn how to spell.

 

[Elim Garak]

Have you even played the Halo games? The Flood were in a hurry. If they had waited to build up a fleet, they would have been completely annihilated. The Prophets (religious and political leaders of the Covenant, a massive theocracy composed of 7 alien races) believe that activating the Halo Array will initiate "The Great Journey" and bring the righteous to heaven. You see, they believe the Forerunners were gods that ascended to Heaven using the Halos.

Played the first one, thought it was mediocre, didn't bother playing the rest.

From the first game to the last, the Prophets' main goal was to fire the Halos. They were ignorant of the Halo's true purpose. If the Flood had waited and built up a fleet, the Master Chief would have failed and the Prophet of Truth (one of the 3 most powerful Prophets) would have been able to activate all the Halos simultaneously using the Ark. Hell, the only reason the Master Chief was successful in the second game was because of the Flood. The Covenant was the Flood's top priority, the UNSC was only seen as a mild threat, which, in fact, they were.

Oh, and here's a tidbit of info I thought you might find interesting: The Flood took over the Covenant's capital city, High Charity. No, I don't mean some capital city on some planet somewhere. High Charity is a space station. A mobile space station about twice the size of the original Death Star. The Flood brought a ship out of slipspace INSIDE the city and took it over. The Flood literally grew over the walls, the ceilings, and every other surface. They turned it into a giant Flood cyborg spaceship thing. A fusion of Flood biomass and technology. Then they hooked up a massive Brain Form/proto-gravemind to pilot it. High Charity didn't have enough power for anything really since The Prophet of Truth had flown the Forerunner dreadnought that was powering it out of the City and flew to Earth. High Charity was designed to use the Forerunner Dreadnought as power, it did not have backup generators powerful enough to power the entire thing. But, of course, this is no problem for the Flood.
They shut down many of the doors in High Charity, brought many of its computers offline, and shut down many of the other systems. Then they grew doors where needed and set up a massive proto-gravemind. The proto-gravemind was smart enough to manage all of High Charity's subsystems and to pilot it without the aid of High Charity's computers. Now that is intelligence.

But not strategic thinking, is that what you are saying? The Flood have tactical intelligence but no concept of strategy? Because if they did have strategy then they would have won already.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

But not strategic thinking, is that what you are saying? The Flood have tactical intelligence but no concept of strategy? Because if they did have strategy then they would have won already.

No, what I'm saying is that they couldn't wait and build up a fleet and take over the universe, they had to use whatever they could get their hands on and do whatever they could to stop the Prophets. They had to be extremely aggressive to have any chance of survival. In fact, without the Flood, the Prophets would have succeeded in firing the Halos. Master Chief isn't all powerful, he was just lucky. If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

 

[-Seraph-]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

Indeed.

 

[oliveira8]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

Hitler did that. He took Germany from the gutter..just to put it back in there years after.

You need to play Lego to understand these kind of people. Its fun to build stuff from the ground just to destroy it after. ^^

 

[Eipok Kruden]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

Hitler did that. He took Germany from the gutter..just to put it back in there years after.

You need to play Lego to understand these kind of people. Its fun to build stuff from the ground just to destroy it after. ^^

Well, the Flood is more like the Flood. They saved the galaxy because if all the life in the Galaxy was killed off, they'd die too. They saved the Galaxy so they could live to conquer it. Not quite saving the galaxy so you can take it over. Saving the galaxy so you can save yourself so you can take it over. Completely selfish. Hitler cared about Germany and its people (as long as they weren't jews or gays). The Flood couldn't care less about the inhabitants of the Galaxy.

 

[oliveira8]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

Hitler did that. He took Germany from the gutter..just to put it back in there years after.

You need to play Lego to understand these kind of people. Its fun to build stuff from the ground just to destroy it after. ^^

Well, the Flood is more like the Flood. They saved the galaxy because if all the life in the Galaxy was killed off, they'd die too. They saved the Galaxy so they could live to conquer it. Not quite saving the galaxy so you can take it over. Saving the galaxy so you can save yourself so you can take it over. Completely selfish. Hitler cared about Germany and its people (as long as they weren't jews or gays). The Flood couldn't care less about the inhabitants of the Galaxy.

Yes but if Hitler didnt save Germany he couldnt have waged war! See same thing! Also we comparing Hitler to Aliens in a First Person Shooter game. My mother is so proud of me.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

If the Flood wasn't in such a hurry to save the galaxy, they would have taken it over easily.

Lol thats so ironic. Save the galaxy only to doom it later.

Hitler did that. He took Germany from the gutter..just to put it back in there years after.

You need to play Lego to understand these kind of people. Its fun to build stuff from the ground just to destroy it after. ^^

Well, the Flood is more like the Flood. They saved the galaxy because if all the life in the Galaxy was killed off, they'd die too. They saved the Galaxy so they could live to conquer it. Not quite saving the galaxy so you can take it over. Saving the galaxy so you can save yourself so you can take it over. Completely selfish. Hitler cared about Germany and its people (as long as they weren't jews or gays). The Flood couldn't care less about the inhabitants of the Galaxy.

Yes but if Hitler didnt save Germany he couldnt have waged war! See same thing! Also we comparing Hitler to Aliens in a First Person Shooter game. My mother is so proud of me.

He waged war for Germany. He wanted to make the Germans the dominant bloodline on Earth. He wasn't trying to destroy Germany, he was trying to make it all powerful.

 

[Fenring]

Out of those choices? The Flood, the others don't seem to have as painful a transformation, which would be the big thing for me, after I get transformed I'm dead, so I don't care what they do to the universe.

 

[Fronken]

I like Halo more than Star Trek, but i simply couldnt get myself to vote for the Flood, i freaking hate them, they stand for the one thing i thought was bad about Halo 1, and that was the cramped indoor levels with flood, i didnt find them as fun as i did with the big outdoor levels, though i like more open/lighted areas when playing FPS games (ala Serious Sam style).

 

[Eipok Kruden]

I like Halo more than Star Trek, but i simply couldnt get myself to vote for the Flood, i freaking hate them, they stand for the one thing i thought was bad about Halo 1, and that was the cramped indoor levels with flood, i didnt find them as fun as i did with the big outdoor levels, though i like more open/lighted areas when playing FPS games (ala Serious Sam style).

I think everyone can relate to that. I don't know a single person that didn't go "YAY! MORE COVENANT!" when they got back to fighting the Covenant after having their sanity tested by the Flood levels. The Flood are still badass though. They're just not too fun to fight against.

 

[Valiance]

Replicators, hands down.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Out of those choices? The Flood, the others don't seem to have as painful a transformation, which would be the big thing for me, after I get transformed I'm dead, so I don't care what they do to the universe.

Actually... The Flood takes 10-15 seconds to completely transform and kill someone. The brain is disconnected from the body and the head is pushed back. It's replaced by the infection form. The

Replicators use their mandibles and claws to tear flesh from bone. The bugs will keep chewing on the body until the organism is dead. Trust me when I say that it isn't pleasant.

The Borg assimilate the person into the collective. They turn the person into a drone, aware of its own surroundings and of its memories, but completely devoid of individuality and free will. Among the three, I think the Borg are the worst. I would much rather be transformed by the Flood and die in seconds than be torn apart by replicator bugs or assimilated by the Borg.