Poll: Gay Marriage

[2012 Wont Happen]

Hmmm... Someone said something along these lines already...

I'm no expert in this particular field so my opinion doesn't carry much weight.

Oh yeah! That guy!

I'M TRYING TO CONVERT YOU! CHANGE!
Oh wait, maybe you're born this way.

And I realize my last post may have come off a little dick-ish, was having troubles with my links. My bad.

NEVER!!!!!
Oh wait, maybe I was! We'll never know...

No worries. Personally, I don't care much about why each person is the way he/she is. I'm more of an "accept what is for what it is" person.

I'm going to log off for the night and leave this thread with one last sentiment.

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I seen you 'round for a long long time
I really 'membered you when you drink my wine

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I seen you walkin' down in Chinatown
I called you but you could not look around

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I bring my money to the welfare line
I see you standing in it every time

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

The color of your skin don't matter to me
As long as we can live in harmony

g'night and good post

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

i have no problems with it at all, it's their choice.....just wish that the Westbro Baptist Curch whould shut up.

 

[dsau]

watch Louis C.C. and his bit on gay marriage, its hilarious and proves valid points

 

[Ninja_X]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

Don't get me started on the smoking debate.

I can come up with one hell of a argument as to how smoking DOES effect others.

But gay marriage doesn't leave secondhand cancer inducing toxins around so it ok with me.

Well I meant in his own house. In public smoking can cause problems.

Oy! Back on topic. While most of The Escapist supports gay marriage, 99ish% support Weed. So that's a really pointless conversation, unlike this one which is only moderately pointless.

A good way to put it. I'm actually sXe just as a fun fact- that being said I'm in the 99% that want to legalize so meh

anyway- back on topic

Right, gay people should have every right to be married.

No real argument for them not to be married.

 

[Thaius]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

My post somewhere around the fifth page explained it pretty well, but whatever. The issue is that many people do have problems with homosexuality: not necessarily those who live that way, but with homosexuality itself. The past has shown that once something is socially accepted, it is forcefully supported by society and those who disagree are ridiculed and even persecuted. This has already happened with this issue, especially where religion is concerned (and religion is actually the area where this has been displayed the most: when society disagrees with a religion, those who belong to it suffer). It will be no different with homosexuality. I have nothing against people doing whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect others negatively, but personally (and I know a lot of other people who would agree), I don't want my child learning in school and everywhere else that homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality. And as we've seen already, I would be powerless to stop it.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/04/29/arrested_father_had_point_to_make/

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

Don't get me started on the smoking debate.

I can come up with one hell of a argument as to how smoking DOES effect others.

But gay marriage doesn't leave secondhand cancer inducing toxins around so it ok with me.

Well I meant in his own house. In public smoking can cause problems.

What about his kids? They don't deserve to breath in their fathers secondhand smoke.

(I hate to knit pick at this but I feel strongly against smoking, had a girlfriend whose father smoked around her and I could never forgive it.)

But again, I am knit picking at something with nothing do do with the topic.

I guess smoking around your kids is bad- but most people don't. I know lots of smokers. Most try to go away from their kids when they smoke.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

Don't get me started on the smoking debate.

I can come up with one hell of a argument as to how smoking DOES effect others.

But gay marriage doesn't leave secondhand cancer inducing toxins around so it ok with me.

Well I meant in his own house. In public smoking can cause problems.

Oy! Back on topic. While most of The Escapist supports gay marriage, 99ish% support Weed. So that's a really pointless conversation, unlike this one which is only moderately pointless.

A good way to put it. I'm actually sXe just as a fun fact- that being said I'm in the 99% that want to legalize so meh

anyway- back on topic

Right, gay people should have every right to be married.

No real argument for them not to be married.

There are arguments- just not ones that sway me very much or at all.

 

[Ninja_X]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

Don't get me started on the smoking debate.

I can come up with one hell of a argument as to how smoking DOES effect others.

But gay marriage doesn't leave secondhand cancer inducing toxins around so it ok with me.

Well I meant in his own house. In public smoking can cause problems.

Oy! Back on topic. While most of The Escapist supports gay marriage, 99ish% support Weed. So that's a really pointless conversation, unlike this one which is only moderately pointless.

A good way to put it. I'm actually sXe just as a fun fact- that being said I'm in the 99% that want to legalize so meh

anyway- back on topic

Right, gay people should have every right to be married.

No real argument for them not to be married.

There are arguments- just not ones that sway me very much or at all.

Thats what I meant.XD

 

[Thaius]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

Don't get me started on the smoking debate.

I can come up with one hell of a argument as to how smoking DOES effect others.

But gay marriage doesn't leave secondhand cancer inducing toxins around so it ok with me.

Well I meant in his own house. In public smoking can cause problems.

Oy! Back on topic. While most of The Escapist supports gay marriage, 99ish% support Weed. So that's a really pointless conversation, unlike this one which is only moderately pointless.

A good way to put it. I'm actually sXe just as a fun fact- that being said I'm in the 99% that want to legalize so meh

anyway- back on topic

Right, gay people should have every right to be married.

No real argument for them not to be married.

There are arguments- just not ones that sway me very much or at all.

Thats what I meant.XD

I figured it might be hahaha.

 

[MatumbeJack]

HA!

Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at this. Someone posted this link a while back to prove that homosexuality is inherited biologically.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/homosexuality-linked-to-genes-ethical-dilemmas-loom-as-genetic-study-of-gays-families-suggests-predisposition-is-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

Found in that article was this excerpt: "Scientists have found the first hard evidence of a genetic basis for homosexuality. They believe they will be able IN A FEW YEARS to isolate a 'gay gene' that men inherit from their mothers (emphasis added)."

This article was written in 1993. And the "gay gene" has not yet been found.

Wonder what that means...

That they're still working on it?

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

As a christian I'm sure you're familiar with the mantra.

I know: and I agree. The only thing being that, with spiritual matters, it makes sense to a degree. Of course there comes a point where things should be provable, but with matters beyond the physical world, not all of it will be right in front of us: that just makes sense. Science, on the other hand, leaves no excuse for that. Science has no excuse for the absence of knowledge, since it claims to be able to explain everything naturally. Sure, time is needed, but it's been a long time since they've been close to finding something that, theoretically, should be right there if there's any credibility to the theory.

The quote is nonspecific regarding spirituality or scientific pursuits - it simply seeks to quell a tendency to commit logical fallacy.

Science itself begins with the absence of knowledge. Indeed, that is why science exists at all; we use its tested methodology to answer questions we could otherwise not, or to expound upon something of which we have little understanding.

To say that matters of a spirituality are, by virtue of their insubstantial nature, exempt from supplying evidence doesn't sit well with me - especially when your expectations of science are just the opposite.

Also, when has 'science' made the claim that it can explain anything naturally occurring? I've always known it to be a humble beast, often vandalized, misunderstood, and misquoted by laymen, pastors, and scientists alike.

Lastly, to say that conclusive evidence should be 'right there' because of a prediction are wholly fallacious. I mean this with no disrespect, but does your expertise suggest this? Your extensive research? Or perhaps your gut-feeling? I wouldn't second guess a geneticist, or decry his findings because the work is moving slowly.

 

[Ninja_X]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

No, anyone can believe anything they want.

The only people who contradict that are people who think you should believe what they do.

That is what I see anyway.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

No, anyone can believe anything they want.

The only people who contradict that are people who think you should believe what they do.

That is what I see anyway.

This is an incredibly true statement. However, there are lots of groups of all perspectives that think you should think like them. It's unfortunate but it's true.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

I'm going to sleep now. Night.

 

[Thaius]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

No, anyone can believe anything they want.

The only people who contradict that are people who think you should believe what they do.

That is what I see anyway.

Well I do believe that there is truth, which you seem to be denying. I do think that some things are true whether someone believes them or not. But I also think that people are free to believe anything they want, regardless of its truth. But see, to me, the belief that everyone can believe whatever they want is contradicted when people tell me to believe that.

 

[Jay Cee]

Ignorance plays a large point here.

An unprecedented, but not entirely surprising amount of people use "gay" as a derogatory term. This action has led to the common misconception that homosexuality is a personality defining trait, which in turn has led to the reversal of the changes in attitude of the last couple of decades. It would be unjust and tragic if this was to happen.

Equal rights of all kinds FTW

 

[Ninja_X]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

No, anyone can believe anything they want.

The only people who contradict that are people who think you should believe what they do.

That is what I see anyway.

Well I do believe that there is truth, which you seem to be denying. I do think that some things are true whether someone believes them or not. But I also think that people are free to believe anything they want, regardless of its truth. But see, to me, the belief that everyone can believe whatever they want is contradicted when people tell me to believe that.

I just said you could believe anything you want, doesn't make it true.

Let me explain, I grew up around allot of different people and religions. To me, someone who believes in god should get the same respect as someone who believes that elephants are pink and can fly.

You cannot prove that there is no god, per say. But you also cannot prove that there are no pink flying elephants.

So I respect every belief to a degree just don't force others to look at it your way.

Being gay is wrong to Christians. Normal elephants are wrong to the person who worships pink flying elephants.

Same difference. I don't care what you think as long as I don't have to think it.

But you are right society tends not to be as forgiving as me.

 

[Thaius]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

I know right?

Exactly how does them getting married hurt anyone?

In the same way that a guy sitting on his couch smoking a join and eating up all his cheetos effects someone other than him.

it doesn't really

I'm sorry, but I have to point again to my earlier comments. I understand what you ware saying, but while two people can do whatever they want, the social acceptance of their actions has much larger and more severe consequences.

I'm curious as to what you are claiming. Do you believe that more people will be gay if it is accepted by society? Or is this going to lead to unwarranted extrapolation into issues that have nothing to do with the topic?

The latter is paying off at 2:1 odds.

He was saying that if the majority of society accepts gay marriage then people who are against it will be looked down on.

Which isn't true in my opinion.

If you say you don't like gay marriage because of your religion or something people have to respect that.

You are right: people should respect it. But take a look at our society (heck, the internet is a good place to start), and you will see that respect for others views (what is toted as "tolerance" in our society) is actually a rather rare thing. People think that anyone can believe anything, but ridicule those who think otherwise.

No, anyone can believe anything they want.

The only people who contradict that are people who think you should believe what they do.

That is what I see anyway.

Well I do believe that there is truth, which you seem to be denying. I do think that some things are true whether someone believes them or not. But I also think that people are free to believe anything they want, regardless of its truth. But see, to me, the belief that everyone can believe whatever they want is contradicted when people tell me to believe that.

I just said you could believe anything you want, doesn't make it true.

Let me explain, I grew up around allot of different people and religions. To me, someone who believes in god should get the same respect as someone who believes that elephants are pink and can fly.

You cannot prove that there is no god, per say. But you also cannot prove that there are no pink flying elephants.

So I respect every belief to a degree just don't force others to look at it your way.

But you are right society tends not to be as forgiving as me.

See, people like you are the ones that earn my respect despite my disagreeing with them. You have your beliefs, but you don't have anything against people for believing differently. Far too many people insult and persecute others simply because of differing beliefs, which, as a Christian, I have experienced far too often and far too severely. It's nice to see someone who can have a discussion without throwing insults and stereotypes.

I guess what I was trying to say was that if you know for a fact that something is true, and there are benefits to understanding it, there's nothing wrong with trying to convince someone of it. You must understand that is why many religions try to reach out to others (Christianity is like that, as opposed to other religions that believe that evangelism is the way to salvation). If you know the truth, there's nothing wrong with sharing it: there's a difference between that and forcing your beliefs on others.

 

[magicmonkeybars]

marriage shouldn't be legal at all, it discriminates against single people.