Poll: Gay Marriage

[MagicShroom]

Gays have the right to be miserable like everyone else...

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

I could care less what they want to call it. If the goverment is in the buisness of mandating and managing and giving special privileges to people who get married in a religious ceremony then it needs to allow that to everyone who wants to get married in a public place like... oh... Say - a courthouse.

Now if the goverment wants to get out of the buisness of having anything to do with marriages, wants to make all unions on their part a civil matter that is only as involved as filling out a few pieces of paper then that is all they should be offering. In that case you can go have your religious marriage ceremony in your own church and keep it out of my courthouse.

Either way as long as everyone is treated equal by the goverment. After that to hell with what people want to do on their own time, with their own money, in their own private ways.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

I really, really, really see no reason though for me to support something that I do not feel benefits me in any way shape or form.

When people tell me to have a heart about it, I don't see how I can. Let them fight for their own freedoms. A lot of us already have enough on our plates.

 

[House25]

Gays have the right to be miserable like everyone else...

Har, Har.

That's how I hear it.

 

[park92]

as long as they dont bother me i dont give a shit

 

[crudus]

I'm just putting it out there, I have no backing, its just always been one of the "reasons" that something went into the shitter. I'm not saying I exactly put stock into it, but like anything else, its food for thought.

A lot of those early empires had homosexuality. The spartan society had homosexuality for sexual relief (at least occasionally) and heterosexuality for reproduction. They also were an amazing civilization that eventually just crumbled after a huge military defeat that they couldn't recover from.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

I'm tired of this, Rome didn't fall because of homosexuality. If anything Rome's fall actually had more to do with its adopting Christianity*. A pacifist religion is hardly the best choice for a militarist state... though today we seem to have worked through that by ignoring the pacifist part.

*According to The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon

Oh, you're tired of it? I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Did I credit it the entire Fall of Rome to gays? No. No, I did not. Besides, Christianity is hardly pacifist. Just because we focus on the whole Jesus part, doesn't mean there aren't chapters of war in our book.

Sum of its parts. Thats what lead to the downfall, being gay was one of them.

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What we define as homosexuality today is a product of the Catholic Church who wanted to define right and wrong because we all need guilt in our lives. Hell a woman being on top was once considered sodomy because it is unnatural and if anyone knows what is natural or unnatural in bed it's a chaste priest.

Rome fell because everything falls down. Society is either being built or it's collapsing, their is no middle ground.

Ugh, I can't stand Lewis Black. Terrible comedian in my opinion. In todays society, its very easy to yell and be thought of as "the funny guy". Because its either that, or "the scary guy".

 

[A random person]

I have yet to be presented with a rational, well-based argument for gays not being allowed to marry.

Also, had to be said: seriously, Mormon church, why the hell did you feel the need to spend millions (not quite sure on the figures, just know it's a lot) on supporting prop 8? Couldn't you be giving that money to charity or something good for humanity like most sane churches (yes, those exist. I used to attend and still occasionally visit one) do?

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Gays have the right to be miserable like everyone else...

Har, Har.

That's how I hear it.

Sorry for double post...but god dayumm am I sick of that joke.

 

[jamesworkshop]

who cares about gay marriage wait for gay divorce!

 

[jonnosferatu]

I do not think that marriage should be a legal issue. Apart from anything else, it places indirect sanctions against those who feel little need to have a ceremony to confirm mutual affection.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

I'm just putting it out there, I have no backing, its just always been one of the "reasons" that something went into the shitter. I'm not saying I exactly put stock into it, but like anything else, its food for thought.

A lot of those early empires had homosexuality. The spartan society had homosexuality for sexual relief (at least occasionally) and heterosexuality for reproduction. They also were an amazing civilization that eventually just crumbled after a huge military defeat that they couldn't recover from.

Exactly

 

[Rigs83]

Spoiler: snip

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

I'm tired of this, Rome didn't fall because of homosexuality. If anything Rome's fall actually had more to do with its adopting Christianity*. A pacifist religion is hardly the best choice for a militarist state... though today we seem to have worked through that by ignoring the pacifist part.

*According to The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon

Oh, you're tired of it? I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Did I credit it the entire Fall of Rome to gays? No. No, I did not. Besides, Christianity is hardly pacifist. Just because we focus on the whole Jesus part, doesn't mean there aren't chapters of war in our book.

Sum of its parts. Thats what lead to the downfall, being gay was one of them.

I doubt that homosexuality had ANYTHING to do with the fall of rome. Probably some of the people who had a part in the fall were gay. But that's not because they were gay, that was just a coincidence. There were a lot more heterosexuals that contributed I'm sure.

Hey, I didn't write history. Coincidence or not, its food for the thought.

Hey, I didn't write history but since you were born terrorists have hijacked planes and slammed them into buildings, killing thousands. Coincidence or not, it's food for thought.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Spoiler: snip

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

I'm tired of this, Rome didn't fall because of homosexuality. If anything Rome's fall actually had more to do with its adopting Christianity*. A pacifist religion is hardly the best choice for a militarist state... though today we seem to have worked through that by ignoring the pacifist part.

*According to The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon

Oh, you're tired of it? I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Did I credit it the entire Fall of Rome to gays? No. No, I did not. Besides, Christianity is hardly pacifist. Just because we focus on the whole Jesus part, doesn't mean there aren't chapters of war in our book.

Sum of its parts. Thats what lead to the downfall, being gay was one of them.

I doubt that homosexuality had ANYTHING to do with the fall of rome. Probably some of the people who had a part in the fall were gay. But that's not because they were gay, that was just a coincidence. There were a lot more heterosexuals that contributed I'm sure.

Hey, I didn't write history. Coincidence or not, its food for the thought.

Hey, I didn't write history but since you were born terrorists have hijacked planes and slammed them into buildings, killing thousands. Coincidence or not, it's food for thought.

Since I was born Anti-Flag has started recording studio albums- even though they were around since before I was born.

Must be me eh?

 

[Branovices]

Just to be clear... Rome fell because your average Roman citizen began to dislike actually personally fighting in wars for a variety of reasons, Christianity among them. As such Rome relied increasingly on foreign mercenaries who cared little for anything more than money and had no real loyalty to the state. At the same time multiple "barbarian tribes" began to attack the Empire on many fronts at once. This included some of the very peoples that made up a bulk of the Roman army, equipped with Roman armor, weapons and tactics, who were tired of being mistreated as second-class citizens. The massive cost of trying to hold so many provinces with so many problems all at once and an army spread too thin with too little loyalty led to the Empire collapsing all throughout the west.

The Roman Empire in the East, however, continued to thrive for centuries before slowly collapsing inward on itself until the Ottoman Empire finished it off by conquering Constantinople (Istanbul). As an interesting side-note... centuries later the Ottoman Empire (at one point the largest in the world) would also collapse for reasons having nothing to do with whether or not citizens of the same sex liked eachother.

 

[Arisato-kun]

I see no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married. I thought the whole principle of marriage was to pedge to be together with the person you loved. I can't see why sex would matter.

Plus I don't really get the people that protest gay marriage. I want one of them to look me straight in the eye and give me a completely valid reason why gay couples can't be married. I say this because I know an actual reason won't appear. If they have time to protest something as insignificant as this then they should channel that energy into doing something that actually benefits society.

 

[Rigs83]

Wow, amazing how this forum degenerated into a blame game on who or what destroyed the Roman Empire.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Just to be clear... Rome fell because your average Roman citizen began to dislike actually personally fighting in wars for a variety of reasons, Christianity among them. As such Rome relied increasingly on foreign mercenaries who cared little for anything more than money and had no real loyalty to the state. At the same time multiple "barbarian tribes" began to attack the Empire on many fronts at once. This included some of the very peoples that made up a bulk of the Roman army, equipped with Roman armor, weapons and tactics, who were tired of being mistreated as second-class citizens. The massive cost of trying to hold so many provinces with so many problems all at once and an army spread too thin with too little loyalty led to the Empire collapsing all throughout the west.

The Roman Empire in the East, however, continued to thrive for centuries before slowly collapsing inward on itself until the Ottoman Empire finished it off by conquering Constantinople (Istanbul). As an interesting side-note... centuries later the Ottoman Empire (at one point the largest in the world) would also collapse for reasons having nothing to do with whether or not citizens of the same sex liked eachother.

In fact I think that particular fall mostly had to do with WW1 didn't it?

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Spoiler: snip

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

I'm tired of this, Rome didn't fall because of homosexuality. If anything Rome's fall actually had more to do with its adopting Christianity*. A pacifist religion is hardly the best choice for a militarist state... though today we seem to have worked through that by ignoring the pacifist part.

*According to The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon

Oh, you're tired of it? I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Did I credit it the entire Fall of Rome to gays? No. No, I did not. Besides, Christianity is hardly pacifist. Just because we focus on the whole Jesus part, doesn't mean there aren't chapters of war in our book.

Sum of its parts. Thats what lead to the downfall, being gay was one of them.

I doubt that homosexuality had ANYTHING to do with the fall of rome. Probably some of the people who had a part in the fall were gay. But that's not because they were gay, that was just a coincidence. There were a lot more heterosexuals that contributed I'm sure.

Hey, I didn't write history. Coincidence or not, its food for the thought.

Hey, I didn't write history but since you were born terrorists have hijacked planes and slammed them into buildings, killing thousands. Coincidence or not, it's food for thought.

Okay.

 

[Jenny Creed]

Sure, religious union should be separate from legal union. But that's really not addressing the real problem which is that a lot people have to deal with the fact that homosexuals are people.