Poll: Gender Identity

[The Lunatic]

I am a "Guy".

In terms of gender "Identity" to call yourself "Cis" or "Trans" is a bit odd.

Surely the point of being "Trans" is that you identify as the other gender and thus are "A guy" and not "A trans guy".

 

[Erttheking]

(Side note, I truly think that anyone that doesn't answer among the first four options is either lying, delusional, or thinks of themselves as some sort of special snowflake that may or may not be seeking attention)

Edit: I forgot to include "Has a legitimate mental illness," which is fine, so long as they recognize it, as with all mental illnesses that are recognizable and hopefully treatable, like Dissociative Identity Disorder.

http://www.twonkhammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Implied-Facepalm.jpg

I'm guessing that you've never heard of Gender Fluid? IE, you don't know what gender you identify as? You kinda flip back and forth between the two? I know one, currently identifies as male but overall tries to make his appearance and name as gender neutral as possible. He does not have a mental illness. Please refrain from such insults.

 

[zerragonoss]

There is nothing wrong with having a difference between men and women, there are differences in how we think and act based on our biology. Men and women are not identical no matter how much you want it to be like that. And I dont see what the problem is there.

Extreme example that it is, the next world war roles around and the men will be out fighting and the women will be picking up the slack. You live in a society that is rich with resources where people can afford to have choice which is why you can even have this discussion about gender roles and that will continue as long as society can afford it.

I dont see what the fascination people have here is with an androgynous utopian future. That sounds pretty weird to me. I dont want to seem like I am personally attacking anyone so I wont quote but some of these comments smack of people who see them selfs on the fringes of society and believe if we were all the same they might fit in more. There is nothing old fashioned or unenlightened about men wanting to behave like men and women like women. Thats the vast majority of society.

Because its wrong even with a ridiculous amount of natural bias. Allow me to elaborate by looking at a theoretical. Lets start by saying their are as they a ten traits that are that flip male or female and all of them make you ten percent more male or more female. So if somebody has traits 1-9 females they are 90% female, or if they have trait say 8 and 3 female and the rest male they are 80% male. Ok now we add in an a fairly extreme gender essentialist assumption That 90% of people are 80-100% the same gender as their sex, so 90% of men have 8-10 of the male traits.

Ok, now that we have the set up lets look at the gain and loss for allowing these gender normed traits to be expected with them being true statistically to such a high degree. What we gain people can make assumptions fairly accurate about other people based on their gender. What we loss 10% of people feel like they are somewhat to extremely out of place in society and their own body. Now that seems horribly unbalanced to me you gain the ability to make or to keep some assumptions you have which may even come back to bite you when they are wrong more than they will help you when they are right, in exchange you seriously hurt a lot of people. Its possible their are more reasons to keep gender norms but I just don't see them in any form of logical argument.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I am a "Guy".

In terms of gender "Identity" to call yourself "Cis" or "Trans" is a bit odd.

Surely the point of being "Trans" is that you identify as the other gender and thus are "A guy" and not "A trans guy".

Unfortunately, society hasn't totally overlooked the differences between transgender and cisgender people yet.

Sure, once the prejudice has been forgotten, most likely that will happen soon after, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[The Lunatic]

Unfortunately, society hasn't totally overlooked the differences between transgender and cisgender people yet.

Sure, once the prejudice has been forgotten, most likely that will happen soon after, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

That's definitely true. And most people will go by what gender you most look like from an outside and uninformed perspective. And most of the time with most people, they will be correct.

However, on the internet. There's no physical presence, you can be pretty much whatever you want on the internet. So, I don't see the reason for it on an internet forum. I suppose.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Unfortunately, society hasn't totally overlooked the differences between transgender and cisgender people yet.

Sure, once the prejudice has been forgotten, most likely that will happen soon after, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

That's definitely true. And most people will go by what gender you most look like from an outside and uninformed perspective. And most of the time with most people, they will be correct.

However, on the internet. There's no physical presence, you can be pretty much whatever you want on the internet. So, I don't see the reason for it on an internet forum. I suppose.

Statistical reasons?

We used to have a number of threads about where people were from, with a helpful list of places to choose from along the lines of

North America
US
Canada
Europe
United Kingdom
Scotland
Switzerland
Other

I'd say that those polls got a lot of complaining about the choices involved, but then we've gotten some in this thread anyway.

 

[The Lunatic]

Statistical reasons?

We used to have a number of threads about where people were from, with a helpful list of places to choose from along the lines of

North America
US
Canada
Europe
United Kingdom
Scotland
Switzerland
Other

I'd say that those polls got a lot of complaining about the choices involved, but then we've gotten some in this thread anyway.

Which is fine!

However, the topic at hand is "Identity" which I find isn't the same as "What is your technical gender".

 

[teamcharlie]

Refuse to answer the poll. My apologies if that makes it inappropriate for me to comment (I generally categorize gender as 'personal information' and I'm not big on putting personal info on surveys on the internet when I can avoid it). Side question though:

Any thoughts as to why the trans community is overwhelmingly (at least as far as public image is concerned) trans female as opposed to trans male? The standard story suggests that 'female' is a very problematic identity and is in the subordinate position to the 'male' identity. Rationally, it would seem to follow that people would want to be recognized as a member of the dominant identity, but that doesn't seem to be how it works out in practice. (Jerry Seinfeld voice) What's the deal with that?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Which is fine!

However, the topic at hand is "Identity" which I find isn't the same as "What is your technical gender".

I dunno, the term "identity" seems to be used a lot for that sort of thing.

 

[Zak757]

Refuse to answer the poll. My apologies if that makes it inappropriate for me to comment (I generally categorize gender as 'personal information' and I'm not big on putting personal info on surveys on the internet when I can avoid it). Side question though:

Any thoughts as to why the trans community is overwhelmingly (at least as far as public image is concerned) trans female as opposed to trans male? The standard story suggests that 'female' is a very problematic identity and is in the subordinate position to the 'male' identity. Rationally, it would seem to follow that people would want to be recognized as a member of the dominant identity, but that doesn't seem to be how it works out in practice. (Jerry Seinfeld voice) What's the deal with that?

Just eyeballing it here: all the transwoman I've met online, as well as my cousin, are overwhelmingly composed of geeks. Websites like this attract geeks. I don't think the ratio between trans men and women are this great when you take everyone into account.

 

[Evil Moo]

As with every time a thread that involves gender identity comes up here, I still don't really get what it is.

I am biologically male, so to identify as anything else would simply be inaccurate. At the same time I don't feel like classing myself as cis-male, as it would seem to imply that there is some secondary characteristic that can either align with or against the biological traits. I don't feel this to be the case. I am a consciousness in a male body. Is my consciousness supposed to be gendered in some way? Under what criteria if not the biological? Against arbitrary cultural norms and roles? That doesn't seem like a useful classification. Perhaps I don't 'get it' because I lack any particular gender dysphoria (or apparently any inherent secondary attachment to my biological gender either).

 

[Chelsea O'shea]

trans-gender female,one of many.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

Since ''male'' is not an option, i vote ''other''
I am rather feminine in many aspects though, compared to... what little i have to observe

 

[Drake the Dragonheart]

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Umm...

Seriously?

I mean, that'd be like someone telling me I'm "not a real man" for shaving my face with disposable razors instead of the ones where you change out the blades.

Please tell me you asked the numbskull in question to explain themselves.

Wait, what? You're not using a straight razor? And you call yourself a man!

Hey wait a second, I use an electric razor. What does that mean for me?

 

[Silvanus]

Since ''male'' is not an option

The first and third options are both male.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

I envy you.

"Do you think we'll ever walk on the sun? I know it's really hot but what if they like, go in the winter when it's only like 30 degrees?"

Yahoo answers makes me weep for humanity.

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Umm...

Seriously?

I mean, that'd be like someone telling me I'm "not a real man" for shaving my face with disposable razors instead of the ones where you change out the blades.

Please tell me you asked the numbskull in question to explain themselves.

Wait, what? You're not using a straight razor? And you call yourself a man!

Hey wait a second, I use an electric razor. What does that mean for me?

You're a... fembot? I dunno man, this seems kind of silly to me.

 

[White Lightning]

I choose other, I'm a genderfluidtransdolphinbicuriousgophershemale. I feel I'm being oppressed and raped because that wasn't an option.





(It's a joke calm down)

 

[TomWiley]

Cis male here! I think. Not entirely sure what CIS means.

Sorta related:

With the risk of being insensitive, why do people feel that there must be a psychological definition of gender?
Don't get me wrong. I understand that some people are not comfortable with their assigned sex, or that hermaphrodite individuals might feel uncomfortable having to define themselves as either sex, but that doesn't explain why we need emphasize gender as a psychological, like-style option rather than simply what kind of junk you have.

Suggesting that feel more comfortable identifying as gender either than your assigned sex indirectly implies that a gender is more than just a physical aspect - but a life-style, a personality, a fixed archetype that you must belong to or conform to. But isn't that also exactly the kind of outdated, bi-gender society that the transgender movement wants to move away from?