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runtheplacered said:
Lukeje said:
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the xbox was probobly one of the most underlooked consoles, it started online console gaming and PGR
Actually, Dreamcast started online console gaming as we know it.
WIN! This information is very true.
In Japan the SNES (Super Famicom) actually started online console gaming.
I knew somebody was going to say this, but I just hoped and prayed everybody could read the entire post. I said, "as we know it." The SNES required alternative hardware to get it online, whereas the Dreamcast came with a built in modem and use of the internet. Whereas the SNES was completely limited and archaic, the Dreamcast pioneered it like "we know it". The games for the SNES weren't even designed for online play. The 14.4 modem tricked the SNES into thinking that someone was playing with the second controller port. Is that "As we know it" today?

If you were going to say that, why did you stop there? Why not go with the Famicon, when they tried to do online banking with it? http://design4dev.wetpaint.com/page/Famicom+%27Internet%27?t=anon

So, I repeat, the Dreamcast was the first system designed for online gaming.
Ah, but the Super Famicom introduced the idea of DLC, with the 'Third Quest' of the LoZ.

Wasn't it only released in Japan and extremely limited at that? That's hardly "designed for online gaming", which has been the point I've been trying to drive home this whole time. Just because you can think of one small instance hardly takes that point away.

I stand behind the statement that the Dreamcast was the first console designed for online gaming.
It was the Super Famicom. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_Zelda_no_Densetsu] And you do realise I was being sarcastic in the first instance, right?
 

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Lukeje said:
runtheplacered said:
Lukeje said:
runtheplacered said:
Lukeje said:
Clov3r said:
runtheplacered said:
wildde said:
the xbox was probobly one of the most underlooked consoles, it started online console gaming and PGR
Actually, Dreamcast started online console gaming as we know it.
WIN! This information is very true.
In Japan the SNES (Super Famicom) actually started online console gaming.
I knew somebody was going to say this, but I just hoped and prayed everybody could read the entire post. I said, "as we know it." The SNES required alternative hardware to get it online, whereas the Dreamcast came with a built in modem and use of the internet. Whereas the SNES was completely limited and archaic, the Dreamcast pioneered it like "we know it". The games for the SNES weren't even designed for online play. The 14.4 modem tricked the SNES into thinking that someone was playing with the second controller port. Is that "As we know it" today?

If you were going to say that, why did you stop there? Why not go with the Famicon, when they tried to do online banking with it? http://design4dev.wetpaint.com/page/Famicom+%27Internet%27?t=anon

So, I repeat, the Dreamcast was the first system designed for online gaming.
Ah, but the Super Famicom introduced the idea of DLC, with the 'Third Quest' of the LoZ.

Wasn't it only released in Japan and extremely limited at that? That's hardly "designed for online gaming", which has been the point I've been trying to drive home this whole time. Just because you can think of one small instance hardly takes that point away.

I stand behind the statement that the Dreamcast was the first console designed for online gaming.
It was the Super Famicom. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_Zelda_no_Densetsu] And you do realise I was being sarcastic in the first instance, right?
I guess the sarcasm went over my head.
 

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Wii - far too useless to be commonplace, twitchy controllers, no support for gamecube controllers in the main menu, STUPID cheap speaker that completely stops immersion, gimicky games...
Eh? We keep playing with GC pads on Brawl and MarioKart.
 

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NES for me...sit me down with one of those and the Mario/Duck Hunt/Track'n'Field pack, and I can play all night...well, a little Blades of Steel would be nice too :)
 

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Bob_F_It said:
Avida said:
Wii - far too useless to be commonplace, twitchy controllers, no support for gamecube controllers in the main menu, STUPID cheap speaker that completely stops immersion, gimicky games...
Eh? We keep playing with GC pads on Brawl and MarioKart.
Look again at the post, "in the main menu" _ see i use the GC controller all the time for SSBB but you need to use a different one to start the game, which is just plain lazy on Nintendo's end.

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PS3 - Lack of games. Badly designed store. Annoying see-through controllers and skittish motion sensing. None of the potential it was sold on being put to much use...[snip]
Your reason against the PS3 don't really seem to hold weight, It has games, whats wrong with the store design? Whats wrong with the see-through controllers? Ok you got me on the motion sensing, that does get annoying.
I assumed i wouldn't have to get into the games thing since its been a key argument against the ps3 since its inception. Basically the ps3 has a massive lack of what i like to think of as 'standard' games - it has crap games and great exclusives but the middle ground between the 2 extremes has basically been taken by the 360. So as a ps3 owner once I'm done with the MGS-type exclusive, hyped, brilliant games you don't have much until the next one comes around.
(try looking into Game or a similar store and look at the width of the ps3 section compared to X360, Wii or PC)

The store argument is that its slow, tedious to navigate, completely doesn't fit in with the normal ps3 black/sleek feel and gives no clear indication of whether you've just started a download or not.
Let me clear up that last point, compare to the Xbox store where you get a little tick to show you've downloaded or are downloading something. Once you start a download on the ps3 store you're redirected back to where you were before so absent minded browsing leads to doing the same thing multiple times - sounds stupid I know but I've put this past ps3-owning friends before and I'm not the only one. Anyway this thread is about personal opinions so even if me and my goldfish-minded friends are the only ones its still a valid point.

The controller's see-through-ness to me adds to the cheap feel of the controllers ? it's clearly supposed to mirror the sleek finish of the ps3 shell but they didn't use thick enough plastic so it feels like they're cutting corners? Which is not something you want from the most expensive of the 3.


But in all honestly the reason that the ps3 arguments don't hold much weight is that despite owning all of the new-gen consoles I'm still a PS3 fanboy and I love my big shiney monolith ^_^
 

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I guess I am the only one who enjoyed or maybe even remembers the Master System. How old are all of you here? Anyway, I never saw the difference between the master system and the genesis. I was always a SEGA fan, but really the difference between the 2 was so small. Don't get me wrong I owned all of them. But the Master System just brings back a lot of memories.

No to mention the NES vs. Master System brought the game wars to my attention.
I remember the master system, I'm 23 and owned that and the NES. I played the NES way more then the mastersystem though. I don't know why but the master system felt clunky, kind of like the sega game gear handheld. The genesis was alot more responsive, had the comfortable 6 button controller. It also had much better games for it and is the generation I voted for.

I do however enjoy and own most consoles from every generation, just the genesis was probably the first that got me away from the computer.
I remember the Master System, though the games did have a staunch difference from the Genesis. I actually never owned the system, a friend did, I played his, and bought a Game Gear adapter to play the Master System games off of (Actually, as I recall, the adapter suggested it played Genesis games).

Bob_F_It said:
Avida said:
Wii - far too useless to be commonplace, twitchy controllers, no support for gamecube controllers in the main menu, STUPID cheap speaker that completely stops immersion, gimicky games...
Eh? We keep playing with GC pads on Brawl and MarioKart.
Read the four words (Yes, I'm counting "in" and "the" as words) after what you bolded, his point is in the main menu of the system. I actually agree with that point, and the craptaculous Wii-Mote(Oh, I called it that!) speakers. When the original Gameboy's speakers rival your 20 year later speakers, you know you need to throw in 5 extra monies and get better ones. And what happened to Nintendo's Seal of Quality? You used to be able to trust that. Which brings me to:


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Xbox360 - Dieing. Making you pay for internet access (LINK's NOTE: I assume you mean service, as you should already have internet access) that to me seems on par or inferior to the other systems. Being loud and hot enough to be heard outside and to warm my english room in winter. Ugly IMO. Bandwagon name.
Really? Dieing is not the word I'd use, last figures I saw, and granted, I don't check them often, showed the PS3 gaining ground, but the 360 in the lead.... Behind the Wii, of course. And I have to also bring up the Live service. I like Nintendo, I do, but to suggest their service is better then Microsoft's is a bit odd and perplexing. Live is actually a fairly good service, and 5 bucks a month isn't much to ask, I see your point on the Gold membership, versus PSN's free cost, but having a price-tag doesn't change how good it is.

And the real reason I even wanted to quote you was this: Yeah the name is a bit of an oddball one, better than the Wii, and just as "whatever" as the PS3, but how would your system be so loud you hear it outside? Mine is sitting over there under my TV making less noise than my water-cooled PC. It doesn't heat this room in winter all that well either, so I'm a bit confused on those two points. If it's really that loud, and is really pumping out that much heat, perhaps you should carefully unplug it, and get it repaired. I personally would have commented on the appearent high faliure rate, or made a crack like "Xbox 360? More like Xbox 3RRoD" (Get it? RRoD= Red Rings of Death?! I'm so hilarious, it hurts!).

EDIT: Forgot a quotation, and I'm anal like that.
 

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Alright, alright, I don't own one of the things, just play it at our weekly meetup.
 

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Link Kadeshi said:
Avida said:
Xbox360 - Dieing. Making you pay for internet access (LINK's NOTE: I assume you mean service, as you should already have internet access) that to me seems on par or inferior to the other systems. Being loud and hot enough to be heard outside and to warm my english room in winter. Ugly IMO. Bandwagon name.
Really? Dieing is not the word I'd use, last figures I saw, and granted, I don't check them often, showed the PS3 gaining ground, but the 360 in the lead.... Behind the Wii, of course. And I have to also bring up the Live service. I like Nintendo, I do, but to suggest their service is better then Microsoft's is a bit odd and perplexing. Live is actually a fairly good service, and 5 bucks a month isn't much to ask, I see your point on the Gold membership, versus PSN's free cost, but having a price-tag doesn't change how good it is.

And the real reason I even wanted to quote you was this: Yeah the name is a bit of an oddball one, better than the Wii, and just as "whatever" as the PS3, but how would your system be so loud you hear it outside? Mine is sitting over there under my TV making less noise than my water-cooled PC. It doesn't heat this room in winter all that well either, so I'm a bit confused on those two points. If it's really that loud, and is really pumping out that much heat, perhaps you should carefully unplug it, and get it repaired. I personally would have commented on the appearent high faliure rate, or made a crack like "Xbox 360? More like Xbox 3RRoD" (Get it? RRoD= Red Rings of Death?! I'm so hilarious, it hurts!).
By ?dieing? I meant the RRoD, sorry, should have clarified that.

I own a similar amount of online games for PS3 and 360 and both sit side by side using the same cable (alternating) and in fact I own COD4 on both and in my opinion there is no difference in the microsoft service and sony?s, however ive seen far more lag in halo 3 than in any other game this generation. Come to think of it there is far more content in the X360 marketplace than sony?s store but everything there can be found elsewhere if you look hard enough so im reluctant to price that privilege so highly

The heat and noise just me? Aaah goddamn, I was hoping it would be ok for at least a year.
 

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Avida said:
By "dieing" I meant the RRoD, sorry, should have clarified that.

I own a similar amount of online games for PS3 and 360 and both sit side by side using the same cable (alternating) and in fact I own COD4 on both and in my opinion there is no difference in the microsoft service and sony's, however ive seen far more lag in halo 3 than in any other game this generation. Come to think of it there is far more content in the X360 marketplace than sony's store but everything there can be found elsewhere if you look hard enough so im reluctant to price that privilege so highly

The heat and noise just me? Aaah goddamn, I was hoping it would be ok for at least a year.
Well, I can't make any comparisons for PS3's, as that's outside the scope of my experience. I'm most certainly not a fanboy, so I wont go bashing the PS3 no matter how crappy it is compared to a PC. In fact, I don't see how anything could compare, you know, to the perfections that is PC. But, I wont do that type of thing.

Back on topic though, I can't actually make a determination (Especially since I'm most prominantly a PC gamer), I'm tempted to say current gen, but only if you consider that vast amount of games at our disposal, heck, if my Nintendo died, I could get one at Game Craze that plays both NES and SNES and Jam out on that(NOTE: Do not use jam in that vacinity of gaming consoles, telephones or cats. Jam may not be right for you, consult your Doctor before using Jam. If you are pregnant or over the age of 98, Jam could prevent you from becoming pregnant for 2 days after use.). I mean, this really is a good gaming time to live in, right? Sure, I wish that when I played a game I didn't beat it in 6 hours, a-hem, I'm looking at you Halo 3! But then again, back when the N64 was around, we paid a whole lot more for games that lasted longer, like, they used to be $60-$80. Good thing we use a cheaper media that costs less.......... Right? Still, good era, and thankfully, I grew up on the "old" systems, so my appreciation for what games are is fairly high. Though I do find you younger whiper-snappers need to play the old games more!
 

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Jumplion said:
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However, only this generation has unleashed the gamer within me and has gotten me actively engaged in the video game world.
Lol, Oh Snap. I get it
Wait, I was referencing something?
... I thought so. I recall a thread that was about games being unleashed.
Thought the comment was a witty one liner.
... Well, don't i look like a fool? lol
 

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I love the last generation; so many wonderful games, and the graphical capabilities were finally able to present something the visually stunning aspects of storytelling.

This generation is new, thus does not have as many amazing games as last generation by default. The graphics are gorgeous, but not as vital a change to the experience as the jump between the N64-PS1 generation and last generation. The games for this generation seem a lot more... Well, rough than the last. Gears of War looks fun, but I typically like to be brought more joy from my gaming.
I think another of my bias is that I don't actually have a next-gen console.... >=)
 

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Ralackk said:
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Back in the day things were better. At least thats I have been told. I honestly was not around back in the day and only caught the second half of the 16 bit era. Everyone has a favorite time though, whats yers'?
anyone who tells you gaming was better when ## was a missile, they're an ignorant bint

I mean, c'mon, the original Doom? You can pretend it's fun to look like a gaming expert, but deep down in the chasm of your soul it's boring the shit out of you.
Just because you don't like a certain style of gaming because it is fairly old doesn't mean it isnt fun. The control scheme I admit is a bit dated now but they have plenty of programs that allow full look mouse control with the old 2d sprites. Hell you can even play Doom on the 360 now. The only modern games that captured what Doom 1 and 2 were about was Serious Sam and Painkiller, and it certainly wasn't Doom 3.
He's not wrong. Doom is boring as piss to me. Marathon, on the other hand. Give me something to analyze as I'm blasting through hordes of aliens baddies. That's what I like. Admittedly, I never played much of doom, though i'm justified in not being able to get into it.
 

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I went with this generation as well. As much as I liked most of the others for many different reasons, the 360 has been able to help me keep in touch with a buddy of mine in the military.
 

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DirkGently said:
Ralackk said:
curlycrouton said:
Altorin said:
Souplex said:
Back in the day things were better. At least thats I have been told. I honestly was not around back in the day and only caught the second half of the 16 bit era. Everyone has a favorite time though, whats yers'?
anyone who tells you gaming was better when ## was a missile, they're an ignorant bint

I mean, c'mon, the original Doom? You can pretend it's fun to look like a gaming expert, but deep down in the chasm of your soul it's boring the shit out of you.
Just because you don't like a certain style of gaming because it is fairly old doesn't mean it isnt fun. The control scheme I admit is a bit dated now but they have plenty of programs that allow full look mouse control with the old 2d sprites. Hell you can even play Doom on the 360 now. The only modern games that captured what Doom 1 and 2 were about was Serious Sam and Painkiller, and it certainly wasn't Doom 3.
He's not wrong. Doom is boring as piss to me. Marathon, on the other hand. Give me something to analyze as I'm blasting through hordes of aliens baddies. That's what I like. Admittedly, I never played much of doom, though i'm justified in not being able to get into it.
First off its boring to YOU, thats fine, not everyone likes the same genres or subgenres of games. Curlycrouton however made a blanket statement that everyone finds doom boring as shit.

Second you say you haven't played much of doom and you are justified in not being able to get into it, in what sense? Dont enjoy the mindless killing? Is it the graphics?
 

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Gamecube, Xbox, PS2, PC era.

More quality made games and much much fewer overhyped games.
 

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Ralackk said:
DirkGently said:
Ralackk said:
curlycrouton said:
Altorin said:
Souplex said:
Back in the day things were better. At least thats I have been told. I honestly was not around back in the day and only caught the second half of the 16 bit era. Everyone has a favorite time though, whats yers'?
anyone who tells you gaming was better when ## was a missile, they're an ignorant bint

I mean, c'mon, the original Doom? You can pretend it's fun to look like a gaming expert, but deep down in the chasm of your soul it's boring the shit out of you.
Just because you don't like a certain style of gaming because it is fairly old doesn't mean it isnt fun. The control scheme I admit is a bit dated now but they have plenty of programs that allow full look mouse control with the old 2d sprites. Hell you can even play Doom on the 360 now. The only modern games that captured what Doom 1 and 2 were about was Serious Sam and Painkiller, and it certainly wasn't Doom 3.
He's not wrong. Doom is boring as piss to me. Marathon, on the other hand. Give me something to analyze as I'm blasting through hordes of aliens baddies. That's what I like. Admittedly, I never played much of doom, though i'm justified in not being able to get into it.
First off its boring to YOU, thats fine, not everyone likes the same genres or subgenres of games. Curlycrouton however made a blanket statement that everyone finds doom boring as shit.

Second you say you haven't played much of doom and you are justified in not being able to get into it, in what sense? Dont enjoy the mindless killing? Is it the graphics?
You apparently missed the part where I mentioned a very similar carnage-filled violencefest of the same era of Doom, that I enjoy very much. Do yourself a favor and look up the Marathon trilogy. They're quite enjoyable shooters, more so if you take the time and brain power to digest the various terminals scattered throughout the levels. I do not find the slaughter or graphics keeping me from immersing myself but something about the game itself that's just bland and uninteresting and subtly whispers to me, "I'm like marathon, but without the cool sciencefiction bits".

I do agree with Curlycrouton where I've tried to play an old school game that is supposed 'the shit' and found it bland and uninteresting compared to games that are out now. I don't find most old games interesting and think a lot of people feel the same way but say otherwise because they want to fit in or be an elitist prick.
 

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wildde said:
the xbox was probobly one of the most underlooked consoles, it started online console gaming and PGR
Didn't Phantasy Star Online start online console gaming?
And I distinctly remember having intercity Street Fighter II: Turbo comps