Poll: Gritty realism... without killer children?
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to answer both of you I kid you not, and it's because people are sick
MaxTheReaper said:
minoes said:
They just haven't made it over seas.MaxTheReaper said:
Frankly, I chose the bottom option, for obvious reasons.
What kind of sick bastard would want to kill and rape in a game?! Not only does that make decent gamers look bad, it also defeats the whole concept of a game.
Dispite what people want to think, the core of a realistic game is not what one can do in the game, but how the mechanics of a game can fit into the fictional world without disrupting the atmosphere.
Realism in a game also isn't about how well it imitates reality. I mean, you can make "gritty realism" with aliens in space.
Wait a sec! I have killed women in video games so why is that even a part of the thread. I mean I have killed so many hookers in GTA that its a wonder they are still around in GTA 4. Also when did this conversation turn from killing women & children to raping women. This is perhaps the most disturbing thread I have ever read.
Salo and Clockwork Orange are far from "entertaining". That doesn't mean they are bad movies. And I have yet to hear one actual argument on why games could not carry the same weight.Bagmun said:
Doesn't matter how much ammunition the "video games are destroying our youth!" people get, because they don't run on facts or logic to begin with. They blamed Doom for Columbine, and the fact it has nothing to do with killing classmates (or humans) did not stop them. You can't appease people like that - if they got everything else banned, they'd go after Mario next. Just ignore them completely.
In fact, in lieu of serious games incorporating controvertial themes, I'd like to at least see multiple exploitative titles use them. As the anti-game nuts would try to whip up a new frenzy again and again, people would eventually stop paying attention, not to mention the nuts would likely run out of steam. So when a game turned up that takes a serious, non-exploitative look at a controversial theme, they would be near powerless to fling more mud and make it stick.
The smaller frame of a child would make a nice living road cone to run over on GTA. Thats about it.Xojins said:
And in response to nutcase, there are still people whipping up an anti game frenzy? Wow, thats sorta a bit 90s. Apart from the anti GTA stuff I guess..
Meh eather keep them out or put a bulleye on them. Look at how they messed up Fallout. Can anyone not say they where annoying.
I think M'aiq the Liar in oblivion said it best
"M'aiq believes the children are our future. But he doesn't want them ruining all of our fun."
I think M'aiq the Liar in oblivion said it best
"M'aiq believes the children are our future. But he doesn't want them ruining all of our fun."
As to the killing of children and so on and so forth, I have to say I'm against it. Mainly because I don't think that a Developer would use children correctly (probably making them simple targets that shoot like stormtroopers and don't use cover) at the very least or completly tastelessly at the extreme (like an entire legion of children getting slaughtered by one guy every level, like zombies)
I saw rape mentioned earlier and I want to address that. With the ESRB being the way it currently is, any action in terms of the actions related to sexual activity, other than strait sex, is practically a one way street to AO. Developers can SUGGEST the possibility of sexual abuse or other forced activity but they cannot make it so concrete that there is no doubt in the mind of the player. Other realms of "fetish" can be poked at with a stick (bestiality was in Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, a few times) but generally can't be explicitly stated, much less suggested a la God of War.
I saw rape mentioned earlier and I want to address that. With the ESRB being the way it currently is, any action in terms of the actions related to sexual activity, other than strait sex, is practically a one way street to AO. Developers can SUGGEST the possibility of sexual abuse or other forced activity but they cannot make it so concrete that there is no doubt in the mind of the player. Other realms of "fetish" can be poked at with a stick (bestiality was in Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, a few times) but generally can't be explicitly stated, much less suggested a la God of War.
Now that you mention it, I have full confidence that they'd do child zombies right.Calax said:
Imagine barely making it into an "empty" room, barricading it against a zombie horde, and then hearing a cupboard creak right behind you, and seeing a tiny zombie boy crawling out super fast on all fours and jumping in your direction. Brrrrr.
Also, many people on this thread are not registering the fact that there are interesting gameplay opportunities in *avoiding* killing civilians. Quite possibly more than there would be in killing civilians. But for either, you have to be *able* to kill civilians.
Consider how much more intense a SWAT entry into a highjacked plane would be if it was full of civilians - men, women, children - and not just a couple of terrorists. I know I'd be motivated on a whole another level to pick my shots carefully.
Or a Heat-like shootout in the middle of a city, with civilian crowds milling about.
Well, sexuality is another area where I'd like to see devs push the ESRB limits. Preferably with non-graphic content like dialog and voice acting, IMO, as it's both easier to develop to good quality, and harder for the prejudice patrol to strike down.
Standards change over time, if and only if the people involved want them to.
Yay, shoot the kids! After reading through this thread, I would just like to point out to everyone that, computer games are not real so it doesn't matter how many children you shoot.
Why so squeamish anyay? They're just humans, like many other computer game characters.
It's not like your shooting kittens or something.
Why so squeamish anyay? They're just humans, like many other computer game characters.
It's not like your shooting kittens or something.
Perhaps that would be the point of the game, no? To show the effects on rape, and murder, and to show how and why it might happen. If gaming can be used to teach diplomacy, or how to react in a wartime scenario after a soldier under your command shoots an old lady (yes, both exist, and are in use by the American army and probably other places as well) then couldn't it be used for this as well? Couldn't it, like so many movies, show why someone turned into a killer, and perhaps, to make the impact of a scenario like in American history X even more jarring, even more eye-opening put YOU, the player in the shoes of Derek?Erana said:
Hell, why would it have to be the player pulling the trigger, or raping someone? Make a game where the main character, or one of her friends was the victim of rape. Show how it affects her normal life, or put the player in the shoes of an officer of the law, investigating a serial rapist. Make the last moment, when you finally get to nail the bastard feel good. Feel really good. And make the player feel like they really accomplished something.
No element on it's own is bad, no setting, no action, not when it comes to fiction. The only thing that matters when it comes to fiction, is how you portray something.
If you make a game like some of the hentai games out there, where you stalk someone, kidnap them, rape and kill them (there's a flash game like that, a friend of mine wrote a paper on the subject, try newgrounds or something if you're interested), then it's going to be awful. It's going to be so very wrong, and sick.
If you make a game based on Boys don't cry, or whatever, and make it really tell a story it's a completely different matter.
If it's relevant to the game's story and not just there for the sake of it I don't see why not. It'd never be allowed, mind.