Poll: Has Sony already won?

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Yep, Sony won.
They won so handily, I am somewhat suspcious. My current tinfoil hat theory is that someone at Microsoft sabotaged the Xbone and handed Sony this console generation in return for cash/future position promises. Seriously, how could highly paid CEO's have signed off on the rancid buzzard vomit that is the Xbone?

This could be plausible, but considering MS also released Windows 8...

I'm going to have to go with Hanlon's razor.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[Sande45]

Note: If you are a PC gamer, then fuck off, we're talking about consoles.

Between that and the one "Yep, they've got it all." poll option (may be a mistake that is fixed by the time I post this, maybe not), makes me wonder where your biased lies.

But no, they haven't "won", nobody has "won". Way I see it, Xbox One is not something I'm going to buy, but that doesn't mean I will buy a PS4. If they both suck, I'll skip both. Nintendo, well, I already have a Wii U, so can't say much there. I do have a PC, too, which I have more games than anything on, so there is always that option. What really "wins" is the games.

More like CAN'Tsoles ;D

But in all seriousness I think one thing alone shows who OBJECTIVELY won the generation. (yes I know what "objectively" means, you'll see what I mean in a second)
http://www.amazon.com/Thief-4-playstation/dp/B00C27SCC2/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_z
Let us review...
Brand new game
Xbox One: $100
Playstation 4: $100
Computer: $50

So before anyone starts yelling "well PS4 is $100 less than XB1"
Let's review the facts

1: PS4 and XB1 both require monthly subscriptions for online multiplayer (+$15/month)
2: Both are selling NEW games for $100 ($100/title)
3: At least one of them REQUIRES an HDTV to be played.

All in all the only way you're really "saving money" with your console purchase is presuming you only buy 6 games throughout the ENTIRE generation. Good luck with that. If you plan to play more than 6 games and you're not dead set on certain exclusives, just buy a PC, it's cheaper, it does more, it's cheaper, it's what you're using to reply to me, it's cheaper, it's constantly evolving rather than remaking, oh and did I mention IT'S CHEAPER?!

(alternatively WiiU is a lovely option if you want to get a console because PC's are too complicated)

Sony has already confirmed $60 games and less than $5 a month PS+ including price cuts and entire games. They require an HDTV? What a disaster, I guess you're still playing your pc on a 800*600 crt display...

 

[Jingle Fett]

Between MS and Sony, I definitely think Sony is pulling ahead. But Nintendo is still off doing their own thing and they don't really care about Sony and MS's fight. So whoever wins out of those two, they should be able to coexist relatively well with Nintendo(regardless of how well Nintendo does).

That said, Sony is certainly enjoying itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

 

[vallorn]

Note: If you are a PC gamer, then fuck off, we're talking about consoles.

Between that and the one "Yep, they've got it all." poll option (may be a mistake that is fixed by the time I post this, maybe not), makes me wonder where your biased lies.

But no, they haven't "won", nobody has "won". Way I see it, Xbox One is not something I'm going to buy, but that doesn't mean I will buy a PS4. If they both suck, I'll skip both. Nintendo, well, I already have a Wii U, so can't say much there. I do have a PC, too, which I have more games than anything on, so there is always that option. What really "wins" is the games.

More like CAN'Tsoles ;D

But in all seriousness I think one thing alone shows who OBJECTIVELY won the generation. (yes I know what "objectively" means, you'll see what I mean in a second)
http://www.amazon.com/Thief-4-playstation/dp/B00C27SCC2/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_z
Let us review...
Brand new game
Xbox One: $100
Playstation 4: $100
Computer: $50

So before anyone starts yelling "well PS4 is $100 less than XB1"
Let's review the facts

1: PS4 and XB1 both require monthly subscriptions for online multiplayer (+$15/month)
2: Both are selling NEW games for $100 ($100/title)
3: At least one of them REQUIRES an HDTV to be played.

All in all the only way you're really "saving money" with your console purchase is presuming you only buy 6 games throughout the ENTIRE generation. Good luck with that. If you plan to play more than 6 games and you're not dead set on certain exclusives, just buy a PC, it's cheaper, it does more, it's cheaper, it's what you're using to reply to me, it's cheaper, it's constantly evolving rather than remaking, oh and did I mention IT'S CHEAPER?!

(alternatively WiiU is a lovely option if you want to get a console because PC's are too complicated)

Uhm. The PS4's PSN+ is $5 per month not $15. Get your numbers right mate please your reminding me a bit of baloneyscholars... I mean politicians.

Not only that but as others noted that game price is a placeholder and we havent heard ANYTHING about the PS4 even possibly needing an HDTV to play.

 

[piinyouri]

Note: If you are a PC gamer, then fuck off, we're talking about consoles.

*Walks in casually*

*Walks back out*

HEY SONY NEARLY MADE ME CONSIDER BUYING ONE! NEARLY. THAT'S WORTH MY 2 CENTS YA INGRATE!

I do apologize, that was rather rude of sir or madam.
What about people like OP, who have 12 or so console games, have racked up god knows how many hours in Dragons Dogma and Borderlands, and also has 300+ hours on Torchlight II, and beaten Legend of Grimrock 5 times?

Huh? Where do I fit in on your mold?!
HUH?!

; p

 

[Bellvedere]

My naive and unfounded belief is that Sony will win launch. WiiU has already had a lackluster launch and even if MS were to suddenly backpedal on some of the more controversial issues, the hostility they've already acquired from the people most likely to buy at launch is still going to hurt them.

After that I have no idea. WiiU sales are already picking up, and I doubt MS is just going to shrug off the idea of being the loser. I guess publishers could also fuck over the PS4 by including the same DRM since they can/will already do that on PC and Xbone...

 

[Perspicacity]

I think it's really telling that less than 8% of people thing XBox1 even has a chance. I suspect there the same 8% of gamers who actually plan to buy one. More telling is the fact that according to this poll more people believe even Nintendo has a better chance than XBox1. Titles alone are not enough to carry a weak console and in this race X box is in last place. PS4 is more powerful, cheaper, and while X Box may have a few decent titles PS4 has the same quality of titles but in larger quantity. I'm not saying that no one will ever buy an XBox1 but I suspect the majority of sales will be from pawnshops and second hand stores when they can get it for under 200 bucks, not right now. Out of the gate X Box is going to suffer in sales, especially if Nintendo cuts the price of the WiiU right before the XBox1 launches, a tactic Nintendo has traditionally used in the past.

None of this of course takes in to account the myriad other issues that plague the XBox1 like the fact that it is not possible to use an XBox1 without some kind of internet. I served in the Gulf of Iraq for almost a year and I can tell you that logging on to the internet every 24 hours is just never going to be possible on a US navy ship unless you're in port and if you're in the Navy or the Marine corp and you're in port you're not playing a video game, your out at a bar trying to get laid. Service men will be buying PS4 and some will buy a WiiU but exactly zero will buy an XBox1 cause they're completely unusable on board ship. XBox1 just has to many problems, to much extra stuff I don't want and didn't ask for, and nothing really likeable. I may buy a PS4 but I will never buy an XBox1.

 

[tzimize]

Well.

The Xbox just seems horrible. And theoretically the PS4 should just destroy it. Friendly towards used games, no harassing connection problems...etc. Its like the xbox, without the shit.

However....customers as a whole (especially on consoles I guess) are stupid. Are there smart console gamers? Of course! But it takes so much less knowledge of EVERYTHING to use a console, that their userbase as a whole is a bit dumber than the PC people. I'm saying as a big group, so dont be to offended...I actually resent myself for putting it like this owning a PC, and both xbox360 (now RRODed) and a PS3, but thats how it is. No not everyone owns a console because its easier to set up and use than a PC, no not everyone owns a console because they are not technowizards...but its my guess that a lot do.

And since people are pretty stupid in general, they'll probably buy the xbone too, pushing us even further into the mire of shit that is "licence-gaming".

If there is any justice, the xbone will fail horribly, and the PS4 will fail a bit, since its just a boring PC...but...it wont. The halo/cod kids will buy their xbone and wont even think twice about it unfortunately :<

Online gaming is no longer free on PS4, and that bothers me. I hate that. Then I have to listen to idiots trying to tell me I should be grateful to have to pay for PS Plus if I want to play online now. It's pathetic.

For the foreseeable future, I think I will stick to with my new PC and my PS3 (which I mainly use as a bluray player now).

Really? I didnt know that. I've only played online once on my PS3...so its not exactly a loss for me, but that IS/was one of the selling points of the PS. Huh, I guess I hope that PS4 fails a bit more than before then. I've waited for the death of consoles for a while, but I guess that wont happen at least untill the steambox comes, or the day when cod, halo and final fantasy is long dead and gone.

 

[Korolev]

They've got a leg up, but to declare a "winner" is a bit pre-mature. I'm sure Sony will have decent games, but if, hypothetically, major publishers abandon Sony and work exclusively with Microsoft, then the lack of games will hurt the PS4 immensely. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm merely saying it's a potential scenario. Gamers will go where the games are, and if somehow Microsoft manages to get huge, really excellent exclusives, then it'll win out in the end.

But for now, and for the conceivable future, Sony is in the lead and has the advantage. Microsoft will have to do a lot to regain that advantage. We'll see if they manage to or not.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Honestly, I'm surprised. Sony addressed nearly ever fear I had about the console. They put on one hell of a conference, and have left Microsoft looking utterly stupid.

Wii U price-drop inbound. I think even Nintendo will recognise that's necessary at this point. Possibly an Ambassador program similar to 3DS. They're announcing some mega-games today, so I think they'll making some heavy punches of their own (3D Mario, Mario Kart and Smash Bros is every bit as big a deal as FFXV and KH3). At this point, I'd say it's a two-way scrap between Sony and Nintendo. Nintendo have still got some advantages in that they can price themselves cheaper, are now the only console offering free multiplayer, and will have probably the best holiday lineup of any console this year. But they need to get their claws out now, as its going to be a dirty scrap.

Depends on what they have ready for the holidays. The selling power of Nintendo's IPs is legendary, so we'll see how pricing goes down.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Note: If you are a PC gamer, then fuck off, we're talking about consoles.

Between that and the one "Yep, they've got it all." poll option (may be a mistake that is fixed by the time I post this, maybe not), makes me wonder where your biased lies.

But no, they haven't "won", nobody has "won". Way I see it, Xbox One is not something I'm going to buy, but that doesn't mean I will buy a PS4. If they both suck, I'll skip both. Nintendo, well, I already have a Wii U, so can't say much there. I do have a PC, too, which I have more games than anything on, so there is always that option. What really "wins" is the games.

More like CAN'Tsoles ;D

But in all seriousness I think one thing alone shows who OBJECTIVELY won the generation. (yes I know what "objectively" means, you'll see what I mean in a second)
http://www.amazon.com/Thief-4-playstation/dp/B00C27SCC2/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_z
Let us review...
Brand new game
Xbox One: $100
Playstation 4: $100
Computer: $50

So before anyone starts yelling "well PS4 is $100 less than XB1"
Let's review the facts

1: PS4 and XB1 both require monthly subscriptions for online multiplayer (+$15/month)
2: Both are selling NEW games for $100 ($100/title)
3: At least one of them REQUIRES an HDTV to be played.

All in all the only way you're really "saving money" with your console purchase is presuming you only buy 6 games throughout the ENTIRE generation. Good luck with that. If you plan to play more than 6 games and you're not dead set on certain exclusives, just buy a PC, it's cheaper, it does more, it's cheaper, it's what you're using to reply to me, it's cheaper, it's constantly evolving rather than remaking, oh and did I mention IT'S CHEAPER?!

(alternatively WiiU is a lovely option if you want to get a console because PC's are too complicated)

That ONE game was $100. All the others I looked at on Amazon for preorder, both for PS4 and XBone, were $60.

May want to get your facts straight.

 

[Milanezi]

I say yes BECAUSE I don't count Nintendo in the game race anymore, it just seems aimed to a totally different assortment of games. I don't take computers into consideration either because, well, that depends on YOUR rig.

 

[Joos]

Lets just say Sony won the PRelude. Microsoft can still backtrack on some of their more controversial statements and release a console experience that doesn't infuriate their customers too much. However, Sony will always have the price point in this generation due to Microsoft's stubborn and moronic inclusion of the Kinect.

 

[Yopaz]

That ONE game was $100. All the others I looked at on Amazon for preorder, both for PS4 and XBone, were $60.

May want to get your facts straight.

People find a small amount of information not representative of the majority and use that as evidence. They also misinterpret the information that they find, either on purpose or by ignorance and refuse to admit fault when it's pointed out. You know how many times I have tried to correct the statement that Wii U sales increased by 800% when in reality they were record low? Yeah, I've lost count.

That's how the internet works.

OT: Sony's had their press conference. Clearly they have won this console generation. We don't need to see anything more. It's already determined, the future holds no secrets, nothing unexpected can happen.

Also if your sarcasm detectors are broken, let me point out that this is all sarcasm. Sony's looking quite good right now, but things do happen. We should wait for the generation to start before we declare a winner. I feel like I am repeating myself almost once a week here...

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Here's a thought. Why don't we wait till the consoles are out for a year or two and then look at the sales figures. There is no use in saying either has won over the other when all the points the people are throwing around are speculation and bias opinions.

Just because the Xbox One has all that stuff that is making some people mad, doesn't mean that it isn't going to sell(it will sell, there is no doubt).

The PS4 will sell as well, but just because it has what it has, it doesn't mean that ever gamer is going to switch. Look at all the people that say they are switching to PC because of the XBox One, though I find that hilarious because by doing so they are supporting Microsoft a bit, because most of them will be buying PCs that have Windows 8. As far as I've seen, Linux isn't widespread and used enough for people to be able to get it as the main OS installed. Some that have the know how, probably will if they construct their own PC, but the amount of people that actually build their own PCs far fewer than people might think.

So again, wait till there are actual statistics.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Why is the first comment in the thread under a warning banner? Goodness, let the man get hid thread stsrted.

You didn't happen to read what he said did you(you can click on the warning line to see what he said). He told all PC gamers to @#$% off because it is a console thread. You can't go about insulting people on this forum, but I of course thought that was obvious.