Poll: Have you played Fallout 1, 2 & Tactics?
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No, both are "RPG-Elements". Because "Role-Playing" does not mean just assuming a role, but also interpreting how your role is going to react to the situations presented in the game. If the game does not give you any opportunities to make your role react the way you think it should, then there is no roleplaying.Onyx Oblivion said:
For example Diablo: it is said to be a RPG by a lot of people. But taking a closer look, there are less rpg-elements in it than in bioshock. You can choose a class and distribute points ect... which are features often found in RPG Games. But there is no way to customise your role beyond that. You simply go kill stuff and do quests to kill stuff.
Now, not all choices need to me moral only like the little sisters in bioshock. For example Fallout 1 and 2 also made it possible to play more or less pacifist (for example, its possible to speedrun 1 while shooting only one guy in combat, using a glitch though).
In Diablo, you are basicly forced to kill everything. Your only choice is how all the soulless mooks are going to be killed.
Giving the player ways to define his or her role is what RPG makes unique. It involves both character building and an certain amount of influence on everyhting else what defines your role.
Also, your point about ME2 being no real rpg because there are less skills is invalid. Its not the pure amount of skills or stats that makes the rpg a rpg. Its about giving the player a choice how to build and play the character. And ME2 does make an even better job than ME1 because you need to choose between the skills and even customise them on the final upgrade. You cannot spam everything either in combat. Its quite a different style there but it is certainly not inferior to the simple do a lot of everything way of ME1.
And we certainly dont need a "shoot better with a certain weapon" skill because all weapons are more unique than just a different amount of damage or accuracy.
The point is, take away the choices and then you really just have a shooter or mindless hack and slash. Even if there is an abstract number on which level your character is. Which might as well be replaced with the number of the quest/dungeon/mission/level of the game itself, when there is no meaning to it beyond increased stats or another skill to spam.
I have played every single Fallout game ever made even brotherhood of steel unfortunately. I have also signed up for the Fallout online beta and have also played a (very buggy) tech demo of Fallout van buren (which i found to be quite interesting).
is that enough?
is that enough?
I've played them all and I loved 1 & 2 and hated Tactics. Right after I finished FO3, my video card got kaput and I wanted my FO fix badly, so I downloaded ilegally FO1, 2 & Tactics (rest easy, I own them legitimately, check my Steam profile if you don't belive me).
I played them for 2 or 3 weeks straight I think, and I loved them, although the graphics were seriously dated, and the combat way too slow (you can speed up the combat with a slider in the options), it was simply awesome that I could get away with everything without even fighting, although I loved to blow to bit everything I could, but The Master and the Super Mutant General were too much for me and I did the "non violent way" to get past them.
I simply couldn't play FO Tactics for more than 30 minutes, it was way too confusing for my taste, even more confusing than FO 1 & 2.
I played them for 2 or 3 weeks straight I think, and I loved them, although the graphics were seriously dated, and the combat way too slow (you can speed up the combat with a slider in the options), it was simply awesome that I could get away with everything without even fighting, although I loved to blow to bit everything I could, but The Master and the Super Mutant General were too much for me and I did the "non violent way" to get past them.
I simply couldn't play FO Tactics for more than 30 minutes, it was way too confusing for my taste, even more confusing than FO 1 & 2.
Played most of 1, all of 2, and some of Tactics. I was unimpressed with tactics, and tend to agree with some fanboys that it should not be considered entirely "canon".
I agree that New Vegas seemed like more of a spiritual successor to 2 than 3 did.
I also agree that 1, 2, and Tactics have aged horribly. It's not that they're not good games, it's just that the interface is so slow, clunky, and unintuitive by modern standards. Ditto for whoever mentioned Planescape: Torment. These days there's some level of consensus on how UI design should work, but 13 years ago that wasn't the case. I was there 12 years ago for Fallout 2 so I can play it happily, but trying to introduce it to someone new today is an exercise in frustration and "WTF were they thinking?!"
I agree that New Vegas seemed like more of a spiritual successor to 2 than 3 did.
I also agree that 1, 2, and Tactics have aged horribly. It's not that they're not good games, it's just that the interface is so slow, clunky, and unintuitive by modern standards. Ditto for whoever mentioned Planescape: Torment. These days there's some level of consensus on how UI design should work, but 13 years ago that wasn't the case. I was there 12 years ago for Fallout 2 so I can play it happily, but trying to introduce it to someone new today is an exercise in frustration and "WTF were they thinking?!"
PLayed all 3 of them, and I much prefer the 2 new games.Tentickles said:
Fallout 2 is by far my favorite of the older 3. Tactics was boring as hell.
I have to say, I didn't like Tactics until I realised that playing solo in realtime was actually great fun.
Fallout 1, I thought was a bit barren and empty, also the dialogue was robotically bad near the start of the game. If it wasn't voiced, it read like placeholder text.
Fallout 2, I somehow got bored of and just stopped playing, it felt somewhat unfocused. Came back to it years later and played it through about 3 times.
Fallout 3, well, the atmosphere feels nice. That's important. Rest of it, needs work.
FNV? So far so good, the combat math seems much improved.
Fallout 1, I thought was a bit barren and empty, also the dialogue was robotically bad near the start of the game. If it wasn't voiced, it read like placeholder text.
Fallout 2, I somehow got bored of and just stopped playing, it felt somewhat unfocused. Came back to it years later and played it through about 3 times.
Fallout 3, well, the atmosphere feels nice. That's important. Rest of it, needs work.
FNV? So far so good, the combat math seems much improved.
I've played Fallout 1, 2, 3 and New Vegas.
I've never played tactics.
I didn't get very far in Fallout 1 and 2 because the game kept crashing.
Really, right after I loaded my game, it crashed.
[sub]really pissed me off...[/sub]
Still, I enjoyed the little that I played of Fallout 1 and 2.
I've never played tactics.
I didn't get very far in Fallout 1 and 2 because the game kept crashing.
Really, right after I loaded my game, it crashed.
[sub]really pissed me off...[/sub]
Still, I enjoyed the little that I played of Fallout 1 and 2.
That's what you say, and to me that's just proof that the RPG label is ridiculous and absolutely meaningless. When you say "first-person shooter" it's pretty clear what kind of game we're talking about, but when you say "roleplaying game" you'll have 10 people saying 10 different things. It's completely useless.Onyx Oblivion said:
Because to me, decision making (morality-based or not) and personal freedom to, by lack of better terms, shape the game around you is what makes an RPG an RPG for me. Stat building only comes after that as to me it's a tool to do what I just described; to place your own stamp on the gaming world.
My dad was a fan of the series, so he managed to dig out Fallout 2 and Tactics out of the basement after we both started playing Fallout 3. I played part of Fallout 2, but it was really difficult for me to actually get far into the story -- maybe I just suck at those ancient, turned based games 
I mostly just tried to meet people and go to as many places as I could to get some backstory. From what I saw, it seems like New Vegas has a lot of the older Fallout games' features in it.
I mostly just tried to meet people and go to as many places as I could to get some backstory. From what I saw, it seems like New Vegas has a lot of the older Fallout games' features in it.
I've played the original Fallout. I...kind of enjoyed it. I felt like a very well made game with a great story that just wasn't my cup of tea. Too slow paced and not nearly leinient enough. I just couldn't get past it's age really or my handicap when it comes to RPGs that don't involve at least some mindless shooting.
Fallout 2 I've tried to play many a time but the thing is so damn buggy I can't get past the first loading screen. Obsidian and Bethesda are just keeping with the franchises tradition.
By contrast Fallout 3 feels like a poorly made game which I love. It's bizzare. I think it was mainly the world that drew me in, which wasn't even bethesdas.
Fallout 2 I've tried to play many a time but the thing is so damn buggy I can't get past the first loading screen. Obsidian and Bethesda are just keeping with the franchises tradition.
By contrast Fallout 3 feels like a poorly made game which I love. It's bizzare. I think it was mainly the world that drew me in, which wasn't even bethesdas.
I played 3 first which introduced me to the fallout universe, despite being old enough to play the originals when they came out.
Then I installed and played through 2 all the way through and loved it, despite the inventory screen being a goddamn abortion.
So far I think New Vegas is my favorite in the series. In fact, I think its depth and character greatly exceed anything in Fallout 3, not to mention all the sweet tie-ins to fallout 2 I am noticing, like Marcus being in charge of a new Super Mutant town.
Then I installed and played through 2 all the way through and loved it, despite the inventory screen being a goddamn abortion.
So far I think New Vegas is my favorite in the series. In fact, I think its depth and character greatly exceed anything in Fallout 3, not to mention all the sweet tie-ins to fallout 2 I am noticing, like Marcus being in charge of a new Super Mutant town.
