Poll: How about a ''Vs. America' shooter?

[PowRightInTheKisser]

this video says it all.

there would never be a video game were you actively play against america. it would get shut down way before it even got to development. unless you played as an american fighting against america to free america from the americans. thatd sell i reckon

i for one would love to play as the IRA against the british, or go back in time and play as the native americans during all those turf wars that went on in the 1800's

 

[Merkavar]

i would think that a vs usa game wouldnt sell and if it did people would call you a terrorist or say the game is made by terrorist or some such non sense. games like cod and battlefield already get this cause you can play as the opfor which are chinese or arabic. they claim that its terrorist training simulators.

I loled to that, at least the "NEWZ" understud what actually happened, and there is an actual mod that serves as propaganda but that is no ones fault, what the hell was DICE suposed to do? They cant blame games, its like giving a piece of paper to a guy and he draws something anti american, suddenly we blame the paper.

the thing is there is no mod. the thing they are talking about is the actual game. in battlefield you play as either usa, mec(arabs) or chinese. and its only ever usa vs mec or usa vs chinese so at some point you will be a chinese or midddle eastern soldier fighting against and killing us soldiers. its just the game. like how in medal of honour the opposing force was going to be called taliban but they changed it to opfor after a bunch of complaints that you would be playing as taliban soldiers

 

[RatRace123]

Unless you were playing as the Nazis there wouldn't be a clear cut good guy/bad guy element.

WWII was the only war where there was a clearly evil enemy.

 

[rapidoud]

1: It wouldn't sell. It just wouldn't.
2: It would be TOO controversial. Remember the furore that occured when EA tried to offer you the chance to play as the Taliban, in multiplayer only? (even if it was just a publicity stunt) And imagine Fox News - even if we clearly portrayed the player characters as villains and had them suffer a downfall, they're unlikely to let it slip by unnoticed I'm afraid.
Basically, it's not going to be possible, not at the moment when we have soldiers fighting overseas and a hyperactive media.

Someone else associating "america" with "the world". Games do sell in other countries, believe it or not. America have not always been the 'good' guys (vietnam war and hiroshima) and calling it controversial is just plain stupid. Then again, on Australian TV we had an ad taken off because aboriginals were eating fried chicken, due to americans failing to understand our culture.

Not to mention the war on 'taliban' doesn't always have americans as the good guys (kidnapping other countries' citizens and accusing them of terrorism then failing to uphold extradition treaties, nice job asshats!).

Although I don't know why Resistance 1/2 portrayed Australia as being destroyed when the first country to go would be america?

Sick of all the set in america stuff too, apparently MW2 was meant to be dramatic in DC of a modern-day cold war but I didn't feel anything for it, if anything I supported the Russians as the Americans were bigger assholes than they were and so the dramatic music was an added comedic effect.

 

[Kenko]

I'd like a Germans Vs America D-Day edition. That'd be great to mow down hundreds if not thousands of troops with an MG-42 and then call artillery/mortar strikes at them. Then a fallback war through Europe as the germans get pushed back.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The various groups in USA (Fox propaganda machine...) would destroy the game and it's developers. Just like 6 days in fallujah got obliterated. Many Yanks seem to have a need to always be the good guys no matter what. It is really sad that all war games are so one sided.

Is it really so strange that the market that houses most of the developers and purchases most of the games might not, in general, like the idea that they aren't the good guy?

The solution, of course, is obvious enough. If you want this game made then put together a team willing to do it for free. There are countless platforms that will provide the basics. Of course, the solution, you'll note, presumes people willing to work for free. No major publisher would carry it. Most retailers would refuse to stock it for the very reason you mention. Making money off such an endeavor would be difficult to say the least.

But then, you might ask why you want such a game. You need a reason to make the presumed good guys the bad guys and you need to handle it with care. Otherwise it's not different than playing as the terrorists in Counter-Strike.

You need to show people that sometimes they aren't right, criticism is vital for
self-improvement. You can't live in your personal bubble thinking that you are the best most just and amazing people ever. Sometime you need to be reminded that not everything is OK, that you need to be skeptical and look at everything from more than one point of view.
I think that a game where USA is not the protagonist would sell pretty well both in and outside of the US. No one tried it up until now because of the stupid uninformed people who cry terrorism at everything that's not super American.
I have to also point out that WWII games are selling pretty well in Germany even though every single one portrays them as the villains.

No. It would not sell well for precisely the reason that you won't get it into a store and I'd be willing to bet even digital distributors would refuse to carry it. The premise alone is all it takes for this to be assured.

But that doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort. Authors and poets, directors and musicians, scientists and philosophers, all have tried their hand at pointing out the futility of war. They have all tried demonstrating that the good guy and the bad guy are, most often, simple matters of perception. But video games have not. Even when games try to scratch at this idea the player is still a superhuman one man army. The message tends to get lost as a result. No matter how noble your narrative intention, if you crafted a game as solid as Modern Warfare with an equally compelling narrative only to switch the teams so to speak your gambit will have been a failure. It would take more than simply switching jerseys to get your point across.

I am convinced that one could make a powerful experience from the basic concept of "what if my country wasn't the good guy" but the process would be difficult and the payout all but non-existent. Yes, you might make money if you do things right but that is a hell of a long shot. Thus why I say you should endeavor to do it for free.

 

[Merkavar]

1: It wouldn't sell. It just wouldn't.
2: It would be TOO controversial. Remember the furore that occured when EA tried to offer you the chance to play as the Taliban, in multiplayer only? (even if it was just a publicity stunt) And imagine Fox News - even if we clearly portrayed the player characters as villains and had them suffer a downfall, they're unlikely to let it slip by unnoticed I'm afraid.
Basically, it's not going to be possible, not at the moment when we have soldiers fighting overseas and a hyperactive media.

Someone else associating "america" with "the world". Games do sell in other countries, believe it or not. America have not always been the 'good' guys (vietnam war and hiroshima) and calling it controversial is just plain stupid. Then again, on Australian TV we had an ad taken off because aboriginals were eating fried chicken, due to americans failing to understand our culture.

Not to mention the war on 'taliban' doesn't always have americans as the good guys (kidnapping other countries' citizens and accusing them of terrorism then failing to uphold extradition treaties, nice job asshats!).

you talking about the kfc cricket ad. that was just stupid. australians dont have the black people and fried chicken sterotype.

the only problem with your arguement that games sell overseas/othercountries. america is a big market, big enough to not make a game that wont sell in america

how big are the markets in anti american countries?

 

[Mordwyl]

Americans are widely viewed as the anti-villains of the world, which goes throughout its very young history.

 

[tomtom94]

1: It wouldn't sell. It just wouldn't.
2: It would be TOO controversial. Remember the furore that occured when EA tried to offer you the chance to play as the Taliban, in multiplayer only? (even if it was just a publicity stunt) And imagine Fox News - even if we clearly portrayed the player characters as villains and had them suffer a downfall, they're unlikely to let it slip by unnoticed I'm afraid.
Basically, it's not going to be possible, not at the moment when we have soldiers fighting overseas and a hyperactive media.

Someone else associating "america" with "the world". Games do sell in other countries, believe it or not. America have not always been the 'good' guys (vietnam war and hiroshima) and calling it controversial is just plain stupid. Then again, on Australian TV we had an ad taken off because aboriginals were eating fried chicken, due to americans failing to understand our culture.

Not to mention the war on 'taliban' doesn't always have americans as the good guys (kidnapping other countries' citizens and accusing them of terrorism then failing to uphold extradition treaties, nice job asshats!).

I'm British. It doesn't take a genius to work out that people would be pissed off.
I just don't think it would sell, even assuming it was allowed to actually come to market, because the market's dominated by one franchise and I don't think it would fit in with what most people want from a game.

 

[YesConsiderably]

The various groups in USA (Fox propaganda machine...) would destroy the game and it's developers. Just like 6 days in fallujah got obliterated. Many Yanks seem to have a need to always be the good guys no matter what. It is really sad that all war games are so one sided.

Is it really so strange that the market that houses most of the developers and purchases most of the games might not, in general, like the idea that they aren't the good guy?

The solution, of course, is obvious enough. If you want this game made then put together a team willing to do it for free. There are countless platforms that will provide the basics. Of course, the solution, you'll note, presumes people willing to work for free. No major publisher would carry it. Most retailers would refuse to stock it for the very reason you mention. Making money off such an endeavor would be difficult to say the least.

But then, you might ask why you want such a game. You need a reason to make the presumed good guys the bad guys and you need to handle it with care. Otherwise it's not different than playing as the terrorists in Counter-Strike.

I guess it's just a shame that most Americans are idiots.

I'm Russian and have managed to somehow enjoy Black Ops.

 

[Valdsator]

I would LOVE invading the entirety of America as Russia.

In a Red alert kind of way.

Don't go telling me you don't feel like nuking some country when you hear this.

An FPS/3rd Person shooter with that music would be awesome.

This reminds me of something. A completely crazy and ridiculous idea I once had. Allow me to link.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/077/b/4/In_the_future__Kazakhstan_by_El_Jonno.png

Especially with this idea.

 

[teh_Canape]

well, there already is a game where you play as a taliban and you have to repel the USA's army from Irak

it's called Assad Falluya (or Lion of Fallujah)

the concept is that you're some palestinian "home-made soldier" and fights to repel the invading USA army off Irak

it's got a nice concept going on

too bad the game is a huge hunk of shit

 

[cieply]

Coming to think of it, america would be an IDEAL antagonist. They are immensly powerfull and make you feel threatend and hopeless, lately they are beating everyone around with a freedom stick, and they most likely have some super hi tech weapons to deploy in a plausible way. Hell, even this vehicle from CoD MW 2 with anti rocket system would be a great boss, where you would have to sneak around and look for a way to bring it down.

USA is a perfect villain. And making a story would be easy.

USA, consumed by overwhelming debt and facing the truth that their role as a superpower is coming to an end, decide to turn to an old way of making money and ascerting dominance, war, by utilizing the last great thing that their nation has left - army.

 

[Merkavar]

USA, consumed by overwhelming debt and facing the truth that their role as a superpower is coming to an end, decide to turn to an old way of making money and ascerting dominance, war, by utilizing the last great thing that their nation has left - army.

makes sense to me. good idea.

see i have no issue with shooting american soldiers in a game. since it is a game as in fictional. i dont get why people get worked up about games. like MW2 airport shooting.

 

[Douchebag intent]

I would LOVE invading the entirety of America as Russia.

In a Red alert kind of way.

Don't go telling me you don't feel like nuking some country when you hear this.

This alone defeats any of your jabroni arguements.

 

[cahtush]

how about... usa gets taken over by christian fundies and invades canada, and you fingt as the canadians?
for a realistc setting vietnam would be best, a shooter with a lot of sneaky sneaky. and you're the good guys too

 

[CheesusCrust]

Why would I want to fight the good guys? /jk

I don't really care. I'll shoot anything the makes my crosshair red, be it Terrorists, Nazis or Overweight Americans.

 

[tehroc]

Wouldn't happen since most game makers reside in America. Any game considered to be subversive to the US Government would be banned just like any other book or movie. Your only hope would be the game is developed outside the US and sold to non US markets.

The only way this would be possible is if the enemy is a fascist takeover of the US and your fighting to liberate your country. Even this would most likely be banned as that is what is currently happening to America.

 

[WanderingBiscuits]

I would like to play this type of game. Preferably as The Nazis. However this game would never happen. Can you imagine the news media exploding and jumping on this idea? They would all throw a hissy fit.Soccer moms and Fox news in particular. "OMG this video game is teaching children to hate America and to become terrorists" Thats exactly they'd see it. Morons.