Poll: How about a ''Vs. America' shooter?
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If you're of "Russian descent" (as in you were not actually born here) then i wouldn't consider you a fellow countryman, so don't worry about it.Darth_Jack said:
I think the problem with playing a game against the Yanks is the lack of parity in firepower and dealing with American "elitness" due to superior trained and equipped troops. It would be very hard to do and to try and keep it with a realistic contemporary feel (possible you could do say, a game based on covert action in Taiwan with options to play as either mainland forces or whatever but that would hardly lead to a vast shooter game).
However surely in Destroy All Humans you are fighting against the americans? And that didn't get banned. Mind you it wasn't politically charged however. So I do think the argument that it would be illegal to sell a game against america is silly. A company may not produce it as they don't think it would make money. Avatar however made loads of cash and that was pretty anti-american/ utter shit.
Now I quite like the americans, I honestly think they are extraordinanry benevolent despite being in a position of unrivaled power (at least momentarly). that said I am of course not opposed to playing against the US, neither am I opposed to playing as the empire in Star Wars games.
However surely in Destroy All Humans you are fighting against the americans? And that didn't get banned. Mind you it wasn't politically charged however. So I do think the argument that it would be illegal to sell a game against america is silly. A company may not produce it as they don't think it would make money. Avatar however made loads of cash and that was pretty anti-american/ utter shit.
Now I quite like the americans, I honestly think they are extraordinanry benevolent despite being in a position of unrivaled power (at least momentarly). that said I am of course not opposed to playing against the US, neither am I opposed to playing as the empire in Star Wars games.
You need to use a American Mercenary group in a foreign country. If you make the US Government the antagonist or its military it won't sell. If you use Blackwater or one of the other private security force that operate "for" the US then that would work since it's and American company of villains then that could work.
Well there has been nothing stopping developers from putting players against Americans in multiplayer (see COD, Battlefield.) However, for a campaign mode well that's not the easiest sell to make. Sure, a game that has you play as a german soldier in WWII experiencing the defeat of hitler from the other side would be quite the novelty, but for a primarily American audience you're probably not going to get a lot of people onbard the idea that their great and contemptable enemies are their own demographic, or closer to it than Germans, North Koreans, Somali, or what have you.
Just keep in mind that gaming is, first and foremost, a business, and as such whatever passes for a game usually has to appeal to the people you're trying to sell it to, and having them kill themselves as the primary activity in the game usually isn't the way to go about doing that.
Just keep in mind that gaming is, first and foremost, a business, and as such whatever passes for a game usually has to appeal to the people you're trying to sell it to, and having them kill themselves as the primary activity in the game usually isn't the way to go about doing that.
Fuck yeah, I would.
Here's an idea:
In the near future, natural resources are on the brink of depletion. Superpowers of the world start looking for countries with large amounts of resources available.
Russia and the United States are starved of resources and invade Canada, which has become a superpower itself, profiting off it's mass amount of natural wealth.
You can play as either three countries. It'll be great. We'll call it 'Great White North' or something.
Here's an idea:
In the near future, natural resources are on the brink of depletion. Superpowers of the world start looking for countries with large amounts of resources available.
Russia and the United States are starved of resources and invade Canada, which has become a superpower itself, profiting off it's mass amount of natural wealth.
You can play as either three countries. It'll be great. We'll call it 'Great White North' or something.
I thought the FPS thing was always about senseless murder and competition? I didn't realize people actually gave a shit about what country they were fighting as, so long as they got to snipe/shank/bomb someone while using the sexual slang of a 7 yr old to talk their shit.
FPS's aren't my thing personally, so I don't really care what they do, I'm American and I think we're as good a target as any...prolly more so.
FPS's aren't my thing personally, so I don't really care what they do, I'm American and I think we're as good a target as any...prolly more so.
I prefer Hell March 2rokkolpo said:
But yes, yes I do. Fucking awesome tune.
OT: Aside from the fact it would never sell....I'd like to, yeah. But not portray them as scum. As a different nation but equally as good.
Maybe one where you don't find out the evil enemy bastards are American soldiers until right at the end? Controversial twist perhaps?
Perhaps, but I do feel somewhat indignified when i mow down what are essentially an important part of my culture...YesConsiderably said:
And that sounded a little unnecessarily cold... I'm not sure I deserved that sort of response...
I just had a brainwave.OhJohnNo said:
Imagine a game, the only objective of the game is world domination. Imagine your map + Mount and Blade-esque game + BFBC2 classes + MW2/BlOps customisation.
Bascially, you join a country or nation or whatever then from there start as a simple infantryman or other such class in a war ie engineer or whatever. You work your way up, gaining reputation, seizing countries or territories, each map having around 200 npcs, your allies and the enemy. You could possibly chuck vehicles in there too. Meanwhile, as you gain rank you can customise your weaponry, equipment etc more and more. The higher your rank, the more actual NPCs you can control, eg a sergeant would lead like 5-15 or something while a general would like 200 or something while also having subordinates who lead people. You would also have different backdrops for battles eg, african settings, european etc as well as actual cities and things you fight in. The maps wouldn't need to be ridiculously detailed though. Also, depending on the map there could be an objective ie bomb site or just a straight bloodbath.
Anyone who has played M&B would understand this idea could easily work.
Sorry this is slightly off topic I just had to surface this
OT: developers/producers need to know their game will sell, especially if they put work into it. A game where you kill americans will make sales in the US, the prime market, go down maybe even banned.
Well America isn't an empire firstly, and secondly this has been done in quite a few older games. It would never happen in new games though because the media would raise a storm, just look at Medal Of Honour and Six Days In Fallujah.Danistuta said:
If you ever wanted a new game against the Americans then you'd need a modding community to make it. Because America get pissed when the idiots aren't portrayed as the good guys, which they haven't been for a good 50 years and even then they weren't particularly good. All WWII games forget to mention that America only came in half way through and was supplying weapons to whoever wanted them before Japan bombed them. Them joining the war was entirely personal.
Also, you spelt Iraqi's and Taliban wrong. You seem strangely excited about playing as 'scum'.
While this is true for the most part, I hardly think we're bad guy status JUST yet. Almost, but there'sAlandoril said:
OT: Yeah, it would be refreshing if we didn't have to play as the American military, just play against them.
I'm sure that a whole bunch of pro American borderline redneck folks with giant flagpoles up their asses would get pissed as hell, but that'd just make it better.
And now I'm off to go contradict myself somewhere else.
I'd love to play against America, but it would probably sell more if I were to play as a fictional enemy. Aliens, maybe, because they'd obviously be better equipped.
In fact, why not go all out and take on the whole world as the aliens? Oh wait, sorry Destroy All Humans, I didn't see you there.
*Ahem*
Yes, playing against America could be interesting, although some games have done it before; Red Alert comes to mind, the Soviet army was my favourite... until Yuri. U.F.O.s! Yey! But an FPS would be great to see, especially if it's done in a true black ops fashion where you do absolutely nothing to draw attention to yourself, have "security blankets" and can only ever contact your organization in secretive ways.
In fact, for all you know, there could be British soldiers killing Americans right now, the latest terrorist attack could just be a political bait-and-switch by the so-called "good guys", the president or prime minister could be killed tomorrow by their own countrymen and made to look like a terrorist plot, it's all smoke and mirrors that's the beauty of deniable operations. It's nothing more than moving pieces across a checkerboard, it doesn't matter who the pawns are and who's the queen; the only real question is who's doing the pushing?
There's a great game in there, even though this sounds like the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist, the fact that it's plausible, even in fiction, is very intriguing.
In fact, why not go all out and take on the whole world as the aliens? Oh wait, sorry Destroy All Humans, I didn't see you there.
*Ahem*
Yes, playing against America could be interesting, although some games have done it before; Red Alert comes to mind, the Soviet army was my favourite... until Yuri. U.F.O.s! Yey! But an FPS would be great to see, especially if it's done in a true black ops fashion where you do absolutely nothing to draw attention to yourself, have "security blankets" and can only ever contact your organization in secretive ways.
In fact, for all you know, there could be British soldiers killing Americans right now, the latest terrorist attack could just be a political bait-and-switch by the so-called "good guys", the president or prime minister could be killed tomorrow by their own countrymen and made to look like a terrorist plot, it's all smoke and mirrors that's the beauty of deniable operations. It's nothing more than moving pieces across a checkerboard, it doesn't matter who the pawns are and who's the queen; the only real question is who's doing the pushing?
There's a great game in there, even though this sounds like the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist, the fact that it's plausible, even in fiction, is very intriguing.