Ugh, if I had a penny...JoJoDeathunter said:It may seem hard to believe now but trust me when you have a child you'll realise what really brings happiness in life, and it isn't money or free-time.Darkauthor81 said:And you are missing out on all the free time, money, and lack of stress that we have.ravensheart18 said:Some people either are too self centred or are too impatient to deal with kids. They don't know it, but they are missing out on something.If that makes me self centered and impatient then by golly sign me up. Hell call me anything to want if it makes you feel better about yourself.
I'm sorry that you feel the need to mutilate yourself to prevent yourself from having children, anyway I personally am not angry at you for your choice, but instead pity you that you'll never have the chance to discover for yourself the joys of raising a child. The sad thing is that you'll probably live your entire life and eventually die never realising how much of life you missed. If you didn't want me to comment on your choice then you shouldn't have posted your opinion in this thread to begin with.Darkauthor81 said:Ya know, I've heard that so many times that it's utterly cliche at this point.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to miss out on that particularly brand of happiness since I'm getting that little snip surgery done next month to make sure it never happens.
Parents get so angry when you say that you dislike children and that you're happier without them. I don't go around telling parents "You'd be happier without children" but they certainly take it on themselves to tell me "You're not really happy unless you have children." I didn't offer my commentary on your life and I didn't ask for yours on mine. I'm certainly not going to give my opinion of parents because, if that's what you want to do then who the hell am I to tell you different? Just like who the hell are you to tell me differently?
So, in closing. No, I will not conform to your norm.
JoJoDeathunter said:I'm sorry that you feel the need to mutilate yourself to prevent yourself from having children, anyway I personally am not angry at you for your choice, but instead pity you that you'll never have the chance to discover for yourself the joys of raising a child. The sad thing is that you'll probably live your entire life and eventually die never realising how much of life you missed. If you didn't want me to comment on your choice then you shouldn't have posted your opinion in this thread to begin with.
Mutilating myself? Bravo! Bravo I say! You managed to put an extremely minor surgery, done by a doctor, one that doesn't even require pain killer, and shove it into the self mutilation category.JoJoDeathunter said:I'm sorry that you feel the need to mutilate yourself to prevent yourself from having children, anyway I personally am not angry at you for your choice, but instead pity you that you'll never have the chance to discover for yourself the joys of raising a child. The sad thing is that you'll probably live your entire life and eventually die never realising how much of life you missed. If you didn't want me to comment on your choice then you shouldn't have posted your opinion in this thread to begin with.Darkauthor81 said:Ya know, I've heard that so many times that it's utterly cliche at this point.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to miss out on that particularly brand of happiness since I'm getting that little snip surgery done next month to make sure it never happens.
Parents get so angry when you say that you dislike children and that you're happier without them. I don't go around telling parents "You'd be happier without children" but they certainly take it on themselves to tell me "You're not really happy unless you have children." I didn't offer my commentary on your life and I didn't ask for yours on mine. I'm certainly not going to give my opinion of parents because, if that's what you want to do then who the hell am I to tell you different? Just like who the hell are you to tell me differently?
So, in closing. No, I will not conform to your norm.
If you in RL look just like your avatar, I'm surprised that they even dare to take your hat.Detective Paul said:I like babies it is just that almost all children are entitled little shits that yank my hat and run off with it.
Excuse me, but this is a thread for discussion. If you don't want to discuss children, that's fine by me, just don't post in this thread. I'm having an interesting discussion with the OP which while somewhat tense hasn't quite lowered itself down that level yet. Also I fail to see how having a child is immoral, as without children the human race would die off very quickly. It is arguable that you could limit it to say 2 kids per family, but having no kids altogther would be a fast track to extinction.AndyFromMonday said:Oh my various Gods will you please shut up already? Is it so hard for you to gasp the fact that certain people don't WANT to have a child? GOD you people and your "holier than thou" attitude infuriate me. I don't CARE about your child. I don't CARE what joy it brought to YOUR life. I don't WANT those joys. Keep them to yourself. I'm perfectly happy with my life the way it is and the same way I DON'T tell you how much of a drain having a child is the same way I expect you not to tell me how "wonderful" having a child is. Common fucking courtesy. Are you able of such a gesture or is this a one sided sort of thing? Keep your bullshit to yourself just like I keep mine to myself. You DON'T want to keep it to yourself? Guess what? I won't either. Here's a fun fact: Having a child is immoral.
Also:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-you-love-to-discuss-that-nobody-else-cares-about_p2
Your theory is interesting, and you do hit some good points, indeed any child is fun to be around and helps relieve my youth. However, I nor the vast majority of parents are not incapable of being happy without children, it simply enhances and gives our lives meaning. Also your last point, while that may happen in some families it doesn't happen in every single one, it didn't for mine and that's more stereotyping than anything else.Darkauthor81 said:Mutilating myself? Bravo! Bravo I say! You managed to put an extremely minor surgery, done by a doctor, one that doesn't even require pain killer, and shove it into the self mutilation category.
Ya know what. I'll just take the gloves off this one time because parents certainly don't hesitate to do so themselves when giving me their opinion on my life. I think parents are needy. While before children I'm sure you were miserable because you had no self worth. But hey, now you get to mold some mini-humans into what you want. I'm sure being able to relive your youth through your children mixed with the feeling of power you have over them brings you the happiness you were too weak to find on your own.
Sadly when you get older and your children are tired of seeing and smelling the death on you they'll shove you into a nursing home and do their best to forget that you exist.
Who said I don't want to discuss children? I sure as hell didn't. What I did to is take offense to the fact that you "pity" those who do not want to have children. You asked for my opinion on children, I gave it.JoJoDeathunter said:Excuse me, but this is a thread for discussion. If you don't want to discuss children, that's fine by me, just don't post in this thread.
JoJoDeathunter said:. Also I fail to see how having a child is immoral, as without children the human race would die off very quickly.
Then she's not your child. She's your sister.JoJoDeathunter said:my child isn't actually biologically my own, she's my younger sister
What assumptions?JoJoDeathunter said:Please don't make assumptions.
Darkauthor81 said:I bring this subject up because... well... I have a very strong and resolute opinion about children. One that almost always gets a glare or a reprimand from the older generations.
I don't like children. They grate on my nerves. I don't find them cute. Hell, I don't even find babies cute. With their wrinkly skin, under developed limbs, over sized heads and eyes they are freaky to me like little pink aliens. With the world population about to hit 7 billion I don't even see the point of children now. Thankfully my girlfriend feels even more strongly about this than I do. I'm certainly not the only one who feels this way. As nations develop their birth rates plunge as people are relieved of the social and religious pressure to pump out as many babies as possible. When given a choice free of pressures, many people choose to have fewer or no children at all.
My opinion goes against very set, and seldom questioned societal standards of children=happiness have lots of them. I get the "You're a monster!" look, particularly from older generations when I voice that I dislike children and will never have one.
"You're not going have children? You're selfish!"
It's my life, I can do with it as I please. I don't think it's even possible to be selfish against someone that doesn't even exist yet. If it means having more free time, freedom, and money then by golly call me selfish. Hell! Call me every name in the book of it makes ya feel better!
"So I guess you hated yourself when you were a child then eh?"
I never liked children, even when I was a child. I no longer like eating ice cream until I vomit, hiding under the sink, or watching Sailor Moon. People change as they get older. Why do I have to love something because I was once one of them? (Off topic. I use to LOVE Sailor Moon. But now I can't sit through 10 minutes of it without weeping "Why!? Why did I ever like this show!?")
"You're only seeing the bad stuff about it. You're missing out on all the love, attention, etc etc children can give you."
That's what I have a dog for.