are you certain? free-time and money bring me a lot of happiness. also the whole "your really missing out" thing is getting a little annoying; i'm sure i'm also missing out on the sheer pleasure of murdering 5000 people, but i don't plan on doing that either. 4000 will have to sufficeJoJoDeathunter said:It may seem hard to believe now but trust me when you have a child you'll realise what really brings happiness in life, and it isn't money or free-time.Darkauthor81 said:And you are missing out on all the free time, money, and lack of stress that we have.ravensheart18 said:Some people either are too self centred or are too impatient to deal with kids. They don't know it, but they are missing out on something.If that makes me self centered and impatient then by golly sign me up. Hell call me anything to want if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Well you told me to "shut up" and "keep my bullshit to (myself)" which to me sounds like you wanted to stop any discussion.AndyFromMonday said:Who said I don't want to discuss children? I sure as hell didn't. What I did to is take offense to the fact that you "pity" those who do not want to have children. You asked for my opinion on children, I gave it.
Because realistically adoption is hard and demanding process, both in obtaining the child and then raising them. I'm personally considering having biologically one child and then adopting another of the opposite gender, but that's just me. A lot of people want to raise their own child, which is fair enough, a lot of people have less tolerance of other people's children, which I'm sure you'll understand. Also, overpopulation isn't a problem where I live (Europe) where birth rates are actually below the replacement rate, if anything us Europeans need more children!Having a child contributes to overpopulation. Besides that, we've also got orphans. Whilst the option to adopt a child is there there is absolutely no justifiable reason to have a child.
That's an opinion, from my point of view I'm an adult, she's a child, I take care of her, therefore she's my child. Families aren't always as simple as two parents and one to three kids. I can't see how you can make that judgement when you don't know either of us.Then she's not your child. She's your sister.
Well your whole "having children is immoral because of overpopulation" argument doesn't hold in my situation since I never chose for my sister to be born, so the decision wasn't mine to make, though I strongly disagree with that argument anyway.What assumptions?
Trust me I've spent most my life helping raise kids. My mom's a foster parent and we've had kids from 2 weeks to 16 years old.Acrisius said:Dude, try raising a kid, what you're describing is the EASY part...just wait until they start talking back...sylekage said:I don't hate them, but they annoy the crap out of me. if hey can just grow to the age of 5 quickly then I'd be happy. but no they sit there, staring, crying, pooping, all damn day.
scary business.
JoJoDeathunter said:Well you told me to "shut up" and "keep my bullshit to (myself)" which to me sounds like you wanted to stop any discussion.
Adoption itself is a process that can take several months, but then again a pregnancy lasts 9 whole months. After that it's no more different than raising a child of your own. You know, like you did with your sister.JoJoDeathunter said:Because realistically adoption is hard and demanding process, both in obtaining the child and then raising them.
JoJoDeathunter said:Also, overpopulation isn't a problem where I live (Europe) where birth rates are actually below the replacement rate, if anything us Europeans need more children!
Of course I do. That does not change the fact that it's immoral to birth a child.JoJoDeathunter said:A lot of people want to raise their own child, which is fair enough, a lot of people have less tolerance of other people's children, which I'm sure you'll understand.
I'm not making any judgement at all. She's your sister, you're her brother. Taking care of her does not make her your child. From your point of view, yes, but legally and biologically you're brother and sister.JoJoDeathunter said:That's an opinion, from my point of view I'm an adult, she's a child, I take care of her, therefore she's my child. Families aren't always as simple as two parents and one to three kids. I can't see how you can make that judgement when you don't know either of us.
JoJoDeathunter said:Well your whole "having children is immoral because of overpopulation" argument doesn't hold in my situation since I never chose for my sister to be born, so the decision wasn't mine to make, though I strongly disagree with that argument anyway.
Which is in itself quite a problem too. Population aging leads to things like pension issues, social security problems, you name it. Crap like that happens when one generation isn't adequately followed up by the next.Darkauthor81 said:As nations develop their birth rates plunge as people are relieved of the social and religious pressure to pump out as many babies as possible. When given a choice free of pressures, many people choose to have fewer or no children at all.
By the gods, really?! Those arrogant little shits just begged to be shot in the face, talking to me like that.lacktheknack said:D'aaaaaawwwww! They're so pwecious!
Interestingly, I'm the only person on the planet who's favorite Fallout 3 location was Little Lamplight.
Is a heck that cute then?Queen Michael said:They're cute as heck, but I don't want any of my own.
Back that up please. Also, don't forget that not every immigrant is a child.AndyFromMonday said:They are? Haven't noticed. Still, irrelevant. Immigration rates tend to curb that.
Hint: Use the "Child at Heart" perk. It's utterly fantastic.Cowabungaa said:By the gods, really?! Those arrogant little shits just begged to be shot in the face, talking to me like that.lacktheknack said:D'aaaaaawwwww! They're so pwecious!
Interestingly, I'm the only person on the planet who's favorite Fallout 3 location was Little Lamplight.
Oh my gosh, you have discovered that individuals react differently to different stimuli and have different preferences! Well done, well done indeed.Eldarion said:I love children.
I'm sorry, but if looking at the little bundles of joy doesn't just make you happy then.....you are a bad person.
How can you people be so heartless?