Poll: How many gamers are non-meat eaters?

[Samcanuck]

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Iiiii don't know. I am pretty against Peta. Infact, i'd be more than willing to sign onto an organisation that disrupt's Peta..(hell, why not use their own tactics against them?). But this video did have some very biased points that I don't agree with. In the same way as I don't agree with Peta's views.

The video's started strong, but when it got to that whole euthinasing ice cooler part...the video kinda lost me. It lost points on logic to me since it began condoning actions that both sides of the debate agree on.

But I do agree with you from what you have written...on the whole. I get the point that you were expressing the blatent hypocrisy of the organisation.

 

[Treefingers]

I love meat, it's yum. I don't eat it too often though cos of the cost. But i also love fruit and veg, they are yum too.

If we go into ethics of meat, tbh i think the only reason that holds up for eating meat is that it's yum, and i eat it because it's yum. I have respect for vegetarians really.

 

[Aerodyamic]

I don't mind all the vegans and vegetarians out there...

MORE MEAT, FOR THE MEAT EATERS!

 

[Lerxst]

You vegetarians, vegans, and whatnot do realize that you're hurting the animals just as much as us omnivores with your lifestyle and diet, right?

To humor, or not to humor this statement...?

So tell us, how does us not eating their flesh, wearing their skin, milking their pregnant or eating their unborn harm the animals?

And to quell another argument that people tend to gravitate towards using "fuzzy logic", look at this link carefully. The one commonality between all the crops listed is that most are used for livestock feed. Why grow a grain to feed it to the livestock if we can grow it and feed it to ourselves and cut out the middleman while being able to reclaim the land all the factory farms are now using to support our bad habits?

http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/cropmajor.html

Speaking of "fuzzy logic", I guess you don't consume fuel, you don't walk on asphalt, you don't use your computer and the fruit you are able to eat was protected from animals by putting "stop" signs?

Also, I guess snakes and rats don't count as animals, since it's okay to smash them during harvesting for the same food you eat. OK, it's not intentional, you say. Yes, it is. As long as you know you're doing it and doing nothing about it.

Vegetarians are hypocrites.

Yes, I am against mistreating animals and I would be glad to personally fork out the eyes of someone who mistreats animals, but holding the moral high ground over not eating animals is both wrong and lame. You still contribute to harming the animals whether you eat them or not, whether you like it or not.

I'm going to sum up this one argument with one word and then give a small bit of advice. The word is - Intent. Supporting the slaughter and mistreatment of animals by consuming their flesh and other products is intentional. Rodents being killed in the grain harvesting process is unintentional.

The bit of advice is as follows:

Don't try to start an argument about a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle with a vegan or vegetarian. Omnivores can walk into any place of business surrounded by 100 people and never have to defend their food purchase to any of those people - even friends and family.

Vegetarians have about a 50/50 chance of being able to walk away without being drawn into an argument with any of those people and vegans... we have a 1/100 chance of being able to walk away without having to argue our selection.

In other words, I've been dragged into the same argument you're dragging me into right now simply by walking into a restaurant and placing an order. For you, this might be a 1 in 100 chance to have this argument with a person, for me, this is a 99 in 100 chance of having this same argument.

I guarantee, I have read more information, studied the facts and learned the science behind this lifestyle in much greater detail than you have. I've learned what a good portion of those chemicals in food are made from, I've asked manufacturers what they put in their products, I've asked farmers and cattle ranchers all of the "who, what, why, where, and hows" behind the food they produce/grow/raise and to top it off, I've worked in animal rescue for several years and have seen first-hand the cruelty they suffer at the hands of humans.

The only thing you'd be able to provide to an argument is either your own speculation and opinion or a small portion of theory and rhetoric you've heard others say. And although your opinion might be valid as an opinion, it is not and cannot stand up in an argument to proven fact.

So I'll ask you nicely to just back down and not continue with this futile argument.

 

[senorcromas]

No, I don't eat meat.

I looked a piglet in the eyes one day; last time I ever ate the flesh of an animal.

Thank god I have my Bagel Crisps.

 

[Srdjan]

No meal without a meat.

I'm eating really lots of meat, mostly beef and chicken. I also love horse meat, one of the sweetest meats there is.

 

[Babitz]

I'm going to sum up this one argument with one word and then give a small bit of advice. The word is - Intent. Supporting the slaughter and mistreatment of animals by consuming their flesh and other products is intentional. Rodents being killed in the grain harvesting process is unintentional.

This doesn't strike you as odd? Since it's unintentional, it's OK to kill them? Since it's unintentional, it's not your responsibility? If I killed your parents by accident, would I be free of charge and responsibility since it wasn't my intention? Shouldn't I feel remorse and guilt? I can also free my self of charge for slaughtering the animals by saying "It wasn't my intention that they were so brutally mistreated. It wasn't me who did it in the first place.". It's the same as "It wasn't my intention to kill rodents during harvesting, but I keep doing it, despite the fact that I know I'm killing them.". If you know you are killing them and aren't trying to stop it - it is intentional.

Your lifestyle and diet kill animals. It's a fact and you cannot possibly deny it, unless you really live in a cute little fantasy of yours. And you support it, intentionally or not. Whether you have the balls to take responsibility and stop holding the moral high ground is up to you.

It's ironic, however, that you say my arguments can only be based on speculations and other people's words. Well, basically, that's true, since I am no expert in nutrition or biology. I guess your studying and reading is no different, since it came from the words of others, if we are to apply the same logic you used. I've read scientific proof that meat is necessary for the human organism, written by nutritionists. I've read about PETA. I've seen documentaries about horrible mistreatment of animals.

Like I've said, I am against such mistreatment. I know I'm a retard for doing nothing about and I'm contributing to it a bit more than you do because I ignorantly support it by buying and eating meat products, but you are not really much better.

Should we also look down on animals for eating other animals? Should we all rather stop with our lifestyles and go live in the woods, because then the harm we do to all life would be reduced to a minimum? I don't want to because I'm selfish and I'm used to this comfy lifestyle. And so are you, and everyone else.

I've even read about some activists wanting to free a whale and return it to it's natural habitat - the ocean. The poor thing died not long after, since it was never used to life in the open. Activists 1 - 0 Whales.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a flame war and make the moderators rape us both, I'm just trying to show my view of the issue, just as you are. All in all, this is pretty much hopeless, since we both have our beliefs we stand for and neither will (probably) change the other one's mind. Pretty much like a religious debate. Hope you don't start hating me for this or something. Peace.

 

[Phoenixlight]

Plants die all the time in order to provide for your vego-diet but for some reason you don't see fit to complain about the death of plants. What makes an animals deaths so "wrong" in comparison to the death of a plant?

Well plants don't feel pain because they don't have a brain or a central nervous system (they also don't have blood or anything). Whereas animals are capable of emotion and feel pain, I know my hamster is capable of a variety of emotions and she's only small. Chickens and cows are able to feel pain and experience fear.

So? Fucking is also a pretty primordial thing to do, yet somehow you don't seem to take offense of that good old practice, now do you?

Well it's not like it hurts anyone or even kills anything now is it?

Still convinced of their "greatness"?

Well I'll admit that P.E.T.A. isn't perfect but they're still the best thing available right now.

 

[minarri]

The answer to your poll is, "We cannot know how many gamers are vegetarian because this is a voluntary survey based only on the members of the Escapist who chose to view this thread and answer it, and not on the gamer population as a whole" )

dont worry about it. this sort of thing is seam anywhere like when you watch those adverts that go on the lines of, fishermans weekly readers voted super 7 fishing line the best...when in reality the 3 guys to filled in the survey said they buy this brand.
Dont worry about it for it is the case with pretty much every poll on this website.

I know, I was just being a ***** LOL. I swear, studying psychology and statistics in college has ruined me for life.

Incidentally I am a fan of pork. :B

 

[nohorsetown]

I'm a vegetarian (not a vegan: I love cheese), but not preachy about it. Eating meat makes perfect sense, but so does abstaining from it. Dietary choice is/should be a bland non-issue. I've nothing much to say beyond that.. just chirping in as a representative for level-headed vegetarianism. (I see a lotta folks raging about how vegetarians are so preachy.. trying to help dispel that.. most vegetarians I know mind their own damn business, as should we all. I swear it's way more common for meat-eaters to tease "us" and joke about eating "us" and whatnot.. but no sweat, I can take a joke.)

 

[regallmighty]

i love my meat, i cant live with out it

 

[Goldeneye1989]

I'm an omnivore but I haven't eaten a lot of meat lately since I am, to put it bluntly, poor as shit. I can't afford fruits or vegetables either. I've been living off of Mr. Noodles and Kraft Dinner for the better part of two months. But now that I'm getting a paycheck again that should change and I can eat meat again.

EDIT: Also, none of the choices in the poll apply to me. (If I have money,) I am an occasional meat eater who doesn't avoid red meat.

Good suggestion for you buddy, go find a wholesaler, i can get almost 10kg's of assorted meats incliding 7 of good rump steak for about 111.10 bucks, which i got yesterday. and it lasts a long time because you put the rest into the freezer

 

[Infinatex]

I get too hungry when I only eat salads and stuff. I tried having a small amount of meat with a salad at dinner, but I couldn't make enough too be satisfied! I think it would be too expensive to be a vegetarian.

 

[XT inc]

It's the animals own fault for being so damned delicious.

 

[Trifixion]

I go to George Carlin's restaurant called "Meat." The menu has two items: "Meat" and "Meat With Sauce."

What kind of sauce, you ask? "That would be Meat Sauce."