Poll: How many gamers are non-meat eaters?

[Doc Incognito]

It's a scientific fact that eating meat makes you awesome. I mean, look at T-Rex. Totally badass.

It's also a scientific fact that it shortens your life span.

I don't care if that's actually true or not but it's totally worth it. Not only are veges not eating meat, but they're doing it for even longer? Why would you want to be old for longer? Longer life span is a back-end result, not front-end: you don't get your youth back, you just get older. Enjoy the nursing home, you guys will be there a while.

I'll take a heart attack at 50 over old age.

But then again, I don't believe meat affects your lifespan at all.

You'll notice that I said "not that I am one to talk" and proceeded to talk about steak. I'm not an advocate of vegetarianism; I'm merely stating a fact.

I also noticed that that is exactly what a vegetarian spy would say. Trying to steal our barbeque secrets are you?!

Guards! Throw him in the jail cell fashioned from a mammoth ribcage.

..

Man, I am really tired.

Crap! I've been discovered! Tell my family that I love them!

 

[Lerxst]

If someone wanted to open another post for a debate, go right ahead. I only debate with people who are actually willing to listen though; most aren't, so I don't.

So in other words, try to save it for another thread. This one was only supposed to be a poll after all!

 

[TheTim]

im basically a carnivore and i can eat meat fine but if i see slaughter houses or think about it i feel incredibly guilty

 

[RamirezDoEverything]

meat's good for you, I actually dont eat enough, my doctors been getting on me about it

 

[zHellas]

Does "every meal" include breakfast?

OT: I eat plenty of meat (hell, it's practically my only source of protein), though this is usually restricted to fish, chicken, beef, kangaroo, pork...

OK, I eat a lot of meat, except for at breakfast.

How is kangaroo meat?

And I eat it at least once a day.

 

[Riobux]

I used to be a vegan for a few months. Although it didn't help cut down my weight much for some reason.

 

[Vrex360]

Both my sister's are vegetarians, as a result I became a carnivore to balance it out. I guess if I play Gears of War and Dead Space and other such brutal violent games and am completely desensitised to it then naturally I like to eat meat.
However I do not like thinking about where it comes from.

 

[Lerxst]

I was a vegetarian for 2ish years but then the doctor told me I was virtually anemic, so I went and ate some KFC.
Good story huh.

Actually, yes. It shows one of the two most common mistakes while trying to be vegetarian/vegan.

Iron sources mg/100 calories:

Spinach, cooked 15.7
Collard greens, cooked 3.1
Lentils, cooked 2.9
Broccoli, cooked 1.9
Hamburger, lean, broiled 1.2
Chickpeas, cooked 1.1
Sirloin steak, choice, broiled 0.9
Chicken, breast roasted, no skin 0.6

You see, your story would have been better and made more sense if it ended with you eating a nice large portion of spinach!

The other mistake is protein sources in a vegan diet. And considering the meat sources for these come with a 1:4 ratio of protein to cholesterol as opposed to the 1:0 ratio for these sources, you can see why people swear by not eating meat for health reasons.

Protein sources mg/100 calories:

Seitan 3 ounces 22.1
Spinach, cooked 1 cup 13.0
Tofu, regular 4 ounces 10.6
Soybeans, cooked 1 cup 9.6
Tempeh 1 cup 9.3
Lentils, cooked 1 cup 7.8
Broccoli, cooked 1 cup 6.8
Black beans, cooked 1 cup 6.7
Kidney beans, cooked 1 cup 6.4

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

Does "every meal" include breakfast?

OT: I eat plenty of meat (hell, it's practically my only source of protein), though this is usually restricted to fish, chicken, beef, kangaroo, pork...

OK, I eat a lot of meat, except for at breakfast.

How is kangaroo meat?

And I eat it at least once a day.

Kangaroo meat is actually quite nice. It's like beef, except a little more flavoursome. (Though that may be my Australian bias talking =D).

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I'm saying it's natural.

Hate to break it to ya (well I don't really, but everything sounds so much nicer when you begin a sentence with those few words) but you don't know at all what's "natural" and what isn't. In fact no one can make such a claim, because any behaviour observed in humans (yes I do mean ANY) is inherently natural.

In fact it is both logically and physically impossible for human beings to do anything objectively "unnatural". Hence, refusing to eat meat is just as "natural" as actually eating meat.

Claiming that you can actually make a distinction between natural and unnatural behaviours or phenomena is per definition a false claim. Every living thing on this planet (humans included) can trace it's origins back to nature, in fact we didn't actually stop being a part of nature at all, and nature/biology as we know it can in turn be traced back to that endless chain of cause and effect which makes up our reality, past, present and future. And neither nature, biology or cause and effect have any proven goals or motivations for their existence.

So if you say that one behaviour is unnatural, that implies that you actually have an understanding of what nature "wants", which is impossible, becuase there are no scientific evidence that natura actually wants anything or even if it's capable of wanting at all.

Reason, purpose, goal, function etc. these are all concepts invented by humans as a way to reflect over and communicate about our surroundings and why we do things. Nature never needed these concepts. Nature was around way before humans were and could exist just fine without said concepts.

So neither you nor anyone else can prove that it's natural to eat meat, nor that it is unnatural to refuse to eat meat. We can, at best, only observe nature, but never really comperhend it.

So if you want to make a point, I suggest you find better arguments than arguing that something is "natural" while something else is "unnatural", because that argumentation is completely moot since no one will ever be able to prove any sort of distinction.

Until we have fully objective evidence to make that distinction, refusing to eat meat is just as natural as eating meat.

You're in for a seriously difficult task if you're going to attempt proving how human beings could possibly do anything unnatural...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Well I'm right and I'm a better person than you and all the other meat-eaters out there. You wouldn't agree with aliens being able to eat humans would you?

You're obviously a troll but I have to ask you: why wouldn't you agree with said aliens?

I know I would. I mean if said aliens use human beings as a source of food then I can't really see any reason to blame them because I use other living beings as sources of food. That being said, I do value living, so of course I'd defend myself if I was attacked by any of these aliens, just as I would defend myself against ahungry bear or a lion that wants to eat me. But I don't blame the lion or the bear for trying to eat me. Why should I?

So before proclaiming yourself as a "morally superior" person, prove to me with scientific evidence why the eating of meat is inherently "evil". And while we're at it, prove to me why your morals are inherently superior to anyone elses.

Didn't your mother teach you that morals are relative?

 

[The Warden]

Meat yummy.
Meat gooood.


In other words, yes, I do enjoy meat based products and like to partake in them often.

 

[latenightapplepie]

... certain vitamins in red meat, such as vitamin B12, can ONLY be found in red meat.

Don't milk, cheese and yogurt all contain vitamin B12?

 

[Soxafloppin]

I could never go off meat.

Espcially ham and chicken.

I don't know how people live with them selves being vegetarian.

 

[Phoenixlight]

Well I'm right and I'm a better person than you and all the other meat-eaters out there. You wouldn't agree with aliens being able to eat humans would you?

You're obviously a troll but I have to ask you: why wouldn't you agree with said aliens?

I know I would. I mean if said aliens use human beings as a source of food then I can't really see any reason to blame them because I use other living beings as sources of food. That being said, I do value living, so of course I'd defend myself if I was attacked by any of these aliens, just as I would defend myself against ahungry bear or a lion that wants to eat me. But I don't blame the lion or the bear for trying to eat me. Why should I?

So before proclaiming yourself as a "morally superior" person, prove to me with scientific evidence why the eating of meat is inherently "evil". And while we're at it, prove to me why your morals are inherently superior to anyone elses.

Didn't your mother teach you that morals are relative?

Well I don't want to bore you with too much information however if you spend some time on: http://www.peta.org/ you can see just how wrong the meat industry is.

 

[madmatt]

been a vegetarian since about age 14. It isn't so hard after the beginning though i have fallen once or twice to the little sausages on sticks in that time. i couldn't make it without cheese though so no vegan for me.