Poll: I should respect Muslim Traditions regarding women?

[Seekster]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

 

[GodsOneMistake]

Why should i respect muslim traditions when i have very little respect for anyone else's? Seriously though these are back words ass customs and really are not needed anywhere

 

[Valentine82]

Well with a name like Thunderhitler, I call Obvious Troll. I'd like to see you make light of this if you were a young girl born in some backwards islamic tribal theocracy, being sold like cattle to some disgusting man who was going to rape you and call you his wife.

 

[Shaenightbird]

Using religion as an excuse for violence is exacly the reason why alot of people hate religion. (myself included)

/QFT

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

No matter what the poll says, there's only one option really. Good luck going there and explaining to them though. It would be like going to America and telling them God doesn't exist. Brits would say "so what", while Americans would probably give you a stern warning or a slap in the face.

 

[Valentine82]

When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

I LOVE YOU!

 

[Doug]

There not actually Mulsim traditions. There Arabic tribal traditions. Still horrible, obviously.

That's true. Unfortunately, a lot of Arab tribal tradition made it into Islam. Frankly, what I've seen and read, pre-Islamic Arabia was a lot worse than Islamic Arabia.

Oh, and the stoning and stuff is just using Islam as a scape goat. My guess (and I'm not sure, so if someone wants to correct me), they're stoning her because she committed adultery. However, did they prove it, as needed by Shiria law? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_(Arabic)]

True - I talk to a Mulsim I work with fairly regularly, and he did mention what pre-Islamic Arabic's where like - things like raiding other tribes for women, and burying any girls born in the tribe alive. Nasty stuff.

As for the Shiria law, I didn't know they'd proved it so, but I suspect they didn't follow it to the really letter - again, my mulsim co-worker mentioned it and told me if you follow Shiria law to the letter, they'd have to be having sex in public without covering their groins. Of course, in this case, they have 'witnesses' - i.e. the rapists. I don't know if its worded in the shiria rule book that rape doesn't count, but if it doesn't, then I'm fairly sure any reasonable judge(s) would be expected to read that it doesn't count.

As for Pakistan (where my friend is originally from), he say that although the cities are largely civilized (respect women, don't stone people, etc) its the rural villages that are the problem. Inbreeding over land law, treating women as items of property, and so forth, are still common from 'Islam' (i.e. Arabic tribal) traditions, although very few peoples from those areas of the world have been 'nice' - possibly the extreme environment reduces things to survival levels, and the Mongols probably didn't help.

 

[Seekster]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

THIS MAN IS TOTALLY RIGHT!

Oh my good look at that genius. Yeah dude! White people, should go to OTHER countries. And then change THAT countries culture! Hell yeah!

Seriously, this forum needs that same "Audio Preview" for posts as Youtube has for comments

I gave up long ago trying to be apologetic for what white people did to other countries, I tend to just go with it now because everyone pretty much already assumes im racist because Im white so *shrug* what the hell.

 

[Iron Mal]

I personally would stone the rapist to death rather than the victim of rape (correct me if I'm wrong but the legal system over here is usually centred around the idea of criminals being punished while victims are protected and compensated).

At the end of the day though, if it's a deeply held belief then there is only so much that we, foreigners, can do (in fact, that the most we can do is be appalled and try to impose our beliefs into a different culture for better or for worse).

 

[Agayek]

You retard. It was in a country IN Africa. It's sad how people in America think that certain cultures are bad, while the USA is the most invasive and oppressive country in the world. As long as the UN doesn't say anything, no one can do anything to us. Because the UN demilitarized any countries within it. And any country that can really do any harm to has(most of them, anyways) are in the UN

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

I think I fairly heavily stressed that no-one should intervene unless the victims asked for help. On a moral/ethical level, I find the organized murder of women and children for acts like that deplorable, and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise and still call themselves a moral person. That said, it's nobody's business but their own what they do. If the people being victimized ask for help, then the proverbial 'we' should go help them. Lacking that, we should stay the fuck away.

 

[Kiefer13]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

THIS MAN IS TOTALLY RIGHT!

Oh my good look at that genius. Yeah dude! White people, should go to OTHER countries. And then change THAT countries culture! Hell yeah!

Seriously, this forum needs that same "Audio Preview" for posts as Youtube has for comments

There's a difference between respecting the traditions of other cultures and standing by and letting injustice happen.

 

[Doug]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

THIS MAN IS TOTALLY RIGHT!

Oh my good look at that genius. Yeah dude! White people, should go to OTHER countries. And then change THAT countries culture! Hell yeah!

Seriously, this forum needs that same "Audio Preview" for posts as Youtube has for comments

So...we should have let them carry on with forcing women to burn themselves alive?

I'm not trying to defend the Empire, but I think this particular item in its history isn't exactly a black mark.

 

[NeutralDrow]

There not actually Mulsim traditions. There Arabic tribal traditions. Still horrible, obviously.

That's true. Unfortunately, a lot of Arab tribal tradition made it into Islam. Frankly, what I've seen and read, pre-Islamic Arabia was a lot worse than Islamic Arabia.

Oh, and the stoning and stuff is just using Islam as a scape goat. My guess (and I'm not sure, so if someone wants to correct me), they're stoning her because she committed adultery. However, did they prove it, as needed by Shiria law? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_(Arabic)]

True - I talk to a Mulsim I work with fairly regularly, and he did mention what pre-Islamic Arabic's where like - things like raiding other tribes for women, and burying any girls born in the tribe alive. Nasty stuff.

And all things that Muhammad very specifically tried to get rid of (to varying success).


In other words, yes, you should respect Muslim traditions regarding women. First, though, I suspect you should learn what Muslim traditions regarding women actually are. Shit like this, they're not.

 

[Doug]

I personally would stone the rapist to death rather than the victim of rape (correct me if I'm wrong but the legal system over here is usually centred around the idea of criminals being punished while victims are protected and compensated).

At the end of the day though, if it's a deeply held belief then there is only so much that we, foreigners, can do (in fact, that the most we can do is be appalled and try to impose our beliefs into a different culture for better or for worse).

No see, it's a simple concept. The girl was obviously not going with the cultural clothing norm. That's why the rape stat's are so low in Muslim countries, because women are shown and told to dress in certain ways that cause limp dicks. I'm sorry, but it's the truth, and it does seem to work. That's why the victim was stoned, and I'm sure the rapist was executed immediately once caught.

That and rape within forced marriage isn't counted. I'm sorry, but its the truth.

 

[GodsOneMistake]

Why should i respect muslim traditions when i have very little respect for anyone else's? Seriously though these are back words ass customs and really are not needed anywhere

Once again, they're not backwards traditions. They've been around longer than America.

Ahh Yes but the world has past them by