Poll: I should respect Muslim Traditions regarding women?

[Seekster]

I voted "Yeah sure whatever." sole to protest the pointlessness of that poll.

You do realize that almost every single poll on this forum (aside from the MM ones of course) is pointless right?

 

[MagnumJoe]

Ummmmmmmm

Guys, I am a muslim, and i assure you, that stoning a raped girl is against rules of islam! Are you kidding me? In islam the rapist gets hanged! But the girl is a victim! Wherever you have seen that or heard it, it's not islam, that's either stupid arabic or middle asian tradition, with complete ill understanding of rules of islam.

I defy anyone of you anywhere, to show me the commandment in the Quran, or in the sayings of the prophet Mohammad that claims so.

This poll is inconsistent.

Know what you are talking about before posting.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

No see, it's a simple concept. The girl was obviously not going with the cultural clothing norm. That's why the rape stat's are so low in Muslim countries, because women are shown and told to dress in certain ways that cause limp dicks. I'm sorry, but it's the truth, and it does seem to work. That's why the victim was stoned, and I'm sure the rapist was executed immediately once caught.

Rape stats are low in Muslim countries because incidences are not reported- for the same reason the victim gets shot and stuffed in a garbage bag.

For sure dude, let's go ahead and give a statistic that isn't provable with no evidence to back it up with.

Actually, it's an incontrovertible fact with mountains of evidence, denied by no one including the killers themselves. It also stands to reason. There are many first hand accounts of brothers who kill their sisters because they were kidnapped in Iraq, and therefore may have been raped. Rapes cannot be reported because it would disgrace the family, which is why the victims are killed in the first place.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2250-UK-Muslim-Honor-Killing-Wife-Daughters-Burned-Alive.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/
http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp
http://www.stophonourkillings.com/?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=540
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41028

Google it yourself, you'll be drowning in evidence.

 

[Zer_]

Oh yeah and nowhere in the 5 Pillars of Islam is there any mention of stoning rape victims.

 

[alibob]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

Finally someone makes some sense.But I do think a simple yes/no can not do this poll justice. So I didn't vote. When people make laws and people follow those laws,it can not all be bad. And what needs to happen is,people make new laws.

 

[bodyklok]

I voted "Yeah sure whatever." sole to protest the pointlessness of that poll.

You do realize that almost every single poll on this forum (aside from the MM ones of course) is pointless right?

Yes. Yes I do, and it get on my nerves continuously and so I find myself voting for the option that only a compleat and utter bastard would choose.

 

[MagnumJoe]

And people, seriously, from what i have read until now, you guys know nothing about this religion. I am starting to laugh really from what i have been reading, lol! Everyone is talking as if they had been a 30 years scholar in islam, analyzing, speculating and assuming, from shallow twisted information, with probably no origin other than some guy who spoke once on tv, or a video on youtube.

Seriously you are going nowhere with this.

 

[nolongerhere]

Something being tradition doesn't make it right. Around where I live, inbreeding used to be the norm, evidence of which can be seen throughout the area. Stoning people to death for anything is pretty fucked up, but stoning a rape victim? That is fucked up beyond rational belief. I mean, how can you defend that by saying it is the culture? Would you defend a culture which killed the jews, or lynched black people?
So no, any culture which practices this deserves not respect, but complete and utter contempt.
Also, MagnumJoe, I know this is tribal stuff rather than Islam.

 

[MagnumJoe]

way to make a redundant thread...

The more funny part is, that this is not even a muslim tradition, lol! These are some freaking barbaric people, who happens to be muslims, and they are performing their old barbaric rituals, regardless of their religion, which actually prevented them at some point in the past from doing this! But i don't know why in these days, when a bad muslim does something wrong, we say:"Look! He is muslim!" Not:"Look! He is bad!"

The irony in this thread is funny though. So maybe i am having a bit of fun.

 

[MagnumJoe]

Also, MagnumJoe, I know this is tribal stuff rather than Islam.

Thank you my friend!

I appreciate your knowledge.

I think it all goes down to (about cultures, whether they are good or bad), to:"What's the reference?"

And all these cultures should be filtered through a good reference so that the good stays, and the bad leaves.

 

[Enigmers]

Just because you've been doing something for centuries doesn't mean it's right. It's a lot like homework, only more severe.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Hmmm, are YOU going to be in the peace corps or army or whoever would be responsible for enforcing these things? Are you going to go to the region to tell millions that their traditions are backwards? Are you going to endure the possible violent resistence to your proposed plan?

If not: SHUT THE FUCK UP
If so: Good Luck and remember to bring some body armor.

It's not that simple. If that's how it works than sure I would.

Yeah actually it is. Trying to fight for it is all you can do, and if you aren't willing to fight for what you believe then you shouldn't complain about it and shouldn't send people to get down and dirty for you. Saying something 'isn't that simple' is a cop out.

I don't necassairily mean you in particular, I am using it as a generalization.

 

[MagnumJoe]

There not actually Mulsim traditions. There Arabic tribal traditions. Still horrible, obviously.

That's true. Unfortunately, a lot of Arab tribal tradition made it into Islam. Frankly, what I've seen and read, pre-Islamic Arabia was a lot worse than Islamic Arabia.

Oh, and the stoning and stuff is just using Islam as a scape goat. My guess (and I'm not sure, so if someone wants to correct me), they're stoning her because she committed adultery. However, did they prove it, as needed by Shiria law? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_(Arabic)]

That's pretty witty. You are a good researcher.

Now you see, in islam, adultery is totally different than raping. In raping, the girl is completely guiltless, and the rapist gets to ... I don't want to get a ban, lol!

While, as you have read, about sharia law in adultery, there have to be 4 people seeing the event at the same time.

But have you ever contemplated in that number? 4? Do you imagine being watched by 4 people while you are sleeping with someone? This is not just adultery, this is actually live porn! 4 people means that this incident, is being done openly!

And, only the married are stoned to death, virgins are only lashed 100 lashes. And in my opinion, a person who has lost all sensitivity, and shyness, to perform like that, has obviously got something dead inside of them.

Also keep in mind, that no one gets exposed in the first time. That's like a universal law. When you do something wrong, you don't get caught at the first time. You still got time to repent, and God gives you chances. But when you are exposed, this means you have been doing it for a very long time, and you have completely lost any sense of human discipline. And in that case, it's live porn, lol.

 

[mike1921]

Hmmm, are YOU going to be in the peace corps or army or whoever would be responsible for enforcing these things? Are you going to go to the region to tell millions that their traditions are backwards? Are you going to endure the possible violent resistence to your proposed plan?

If not: SHUT THE FUCK UP
If so: Good Luck and remember to bring some body armor.

It's not that simple. If that's how it works than sure I would.

Yeah actually it is. Trying to fight for it is all you can do, and if you aren't willing to fight for what you believe then you shouldn't complain about it and shouldn't send people to get down and dirty for you. Saying something 'isn't that simple' is a cop out.

I don't necassairily mean you in particular, I am using it as a generalization.

I mean if we had a division of the army dedicated to stopping this instead of doing.......whatever it is we're doing what you'd say would be valid. I'm willing to have a million violant extremists go after me. Just give me a means.