Poll: I should respect Muslim Traditions regarding women?

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McClaud

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sheic99 said:
Optimus Prime said:
Islam is a religion of atleast two halfs. Those who've seen the way forward, and those who are blind. Let's just hope we can open the eyes of the blinded.


....wow that sounded way too religious...
Only about 13% of the Islamic population is Shi'a.

Valentine82 said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm

This is disgusting, a stoning victim begging for mercy. This is an islamic tradition regarding women, it dates back centuries, and it's utterly barbaric. So in the other thread about this topic, I whole heartily vote no. Women should have the same friggin rights as men.

To top it off, a Kurdish Gril was recently stoned to death.

An Iraqi woman was killed for falling in love with a german man.

A little girl in Pakistan, 13, was buried up to her neck and stoned, dug up to check to see if she was dead, found still alive, reburied, and stoned to death.

This type of crap should not be tolerated, I will NOT respect a man's tradition of treating woman as property, I will not respect a man's tradition of having more rights than women, and I will not respect a man's tradition of killing women for being raped or for falling in love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3uPhkYmAfU
This is a minority of the Muslim population. It's just that when they get into power bad things happen. You should define your population more carefully because you're just insinuating hate on the part of the population that has done nothing wrong.
Thank you.

It's not typical to stone someone in the modernized states of the Middle East. That shit seems to happen in either remote tribal regions in places like Iraq or Syria, or so quickly that the government has no chance to react. In fact, Saudi Arabia keeps getting more progressive as time passes as far as womens rights go because they realized if they don't start catching up to the rest of us, when the oil runs out (or we stop buying their oil), they won't have any allies left outside of the Middle East.
 

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TheNecroswanson said:
GodsOneMistake said:
TheNecroswanson said:
GodsOneMistake said:
TheNecroswanson said:
GodsOneMistake said:
Why should i respect muslim traditions when i have very little respect for anyone else's? Seriously though these are back words ass customs and really are not needed anywhere
Once again, they're not backwards traditions. They've been around longer than America.
Ahh Yes but the world has past them by
No. America did. In China women are still pretty much considered useless. And by pass them, I'm sure you mean, "Decided that we're better than them."
because there ideas on gay marriage are unacceptable in this present more advanced and scientifically more intelligent time
Who the hell are you to tell a religion that their ideas on marriage between homosexuals are unacceptable? Marriage is obviously something religious, and if your religion is against you and your partner being married then get a new one. Cultures don't need "updating", people just need to realize if it's not for them than to stay out of other people's business.
IF these people think they have a right to tell and prevent gays from being married i have a right to tell them there bigot assholes
 

Ghadente

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Wow... anyone who chose yes to this poll should be raped themselves then stoned to death, you heartless inhumane morons

*yet another point as to why religion is uncessary and more harmful than helpful
 

Hunde Des Krieg

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mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
Hmmm, are YOU going to be in the peace corps or army or whoever would be responsible for enforcing these things? Are you going to go to the region to tell millions that their traditions are backwards? Are you going to endure the possible violent resistence to your proposed plan?

If not: SHUT THE FUCK UP
If so: Good Luck and remember to bring some body armor.
It's not that simple. If that's how it works than sure I would.
Yeah actually it is. Trying to fight for it is all you can do, and if you aren't willing to fight for what you believe then you shouldn't complain about it and shouldn't send people to get down and dirty for you. Saying something 'isn't that simple' is a cop out.

I don't necassairily mean you in particular, I am using it as a generalization.
I mean if we had a division of the army dedicated to stopping this instead of doing.......whatever it is we're doing what you'd say would be valid. I'm willing to have a million violant extremists go after me. Just give me a means.
Well, maybe you could start a petition to create a division specifically for that function. Or start an international organization like the red cross for that purpose. And sure it might be expensive and sure it may take time, but at least it is something more than nothing.
 

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Valentine82 said:
Well with a name like Thunderhitler, I call Obvious Troll. I'd like to see you make light of this if you were a young girl born in some backwards islamic tribal theocracy, being sold like cattle to some disgusting man who was going to rape you and call you his wife.
I've been thinking the same thing. It's users like him, her, or it (I really can't tell which) that make me worry this site will go the way of GameFAQs.
 

MagnumJoe

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Ghadente said:
Wow... anyone who chose yes to this poll should be raped themselves then stoned to death, you heartless inhumane morons

*yet another point as to why religion is uncessary and more harmful than helpful
Well the inconsistency here is:

- Do you respect how Islam treats women? Answer: Yes.
- Is stoning a raped girl, a ritual of Islam? Answer: A Big Fat NO!

This poll is seriously bucked up.
 

Lyiat

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Forgive me for this... I need to play the Devil's Advocate here.

Simply because we do not like their traditions nor agree with them does not give us the right nor privilege to dictate what they may and may not do in their own country and with their own religion. Personally... I hate what they do. I see Radical Islam as a threat against the rest of the world, including other Muslims. They plan to take over the rest of the world and unite it under the Koran and the Shiira law... however, we -can't- tell them how to think or how to act in the places that they call their own. We are not the world's police.

Like it or not, we can't tell them not to do it. We have to respect their traditions, even if we deplore them and look down on the act.
 

LewsTherin

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Terminalchaos said:
Thunderhitler said:
Why the fuck not? It's their fucking traditions. Also, this was in Africa, so ofcourse it's barbaric. Barbaric is the norm for that country. Show me one person who wouldn't beg for mercy when being stoned.
Timothy Leary
St. Stephen.

Anyway, I think that killing people generally doesn't solve much. Let him without sin throw first, right?
 

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Hunde Des Krieg said:
mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
Hmmm, are YOU going to be in the peace corps or army or whoever would be responsible for enforcing these things? Are you going to go to the region to tell millions that their traditions are backwards? Are you going to endure the possible violent resistence to your proposed plan?

If not: SHUT THE FUCK UP
If so: Good Luck and remember to bring some body armor.
It's not that simple. If that's how it works than sure I would.
Yeah actually it is. Trying to fight for it is all you can do, and if you aren't willing to fight for what you believe then you shouldn't complain about it and shouldn't send people to get down and dirty for you. Saying something 'isn't that simple' is a cop out.

I don't necassairily mean you in particular, I am using it as a generalization.
I mean if we had a division of the army dedicated to stopping this instead of doing.......whatever it is we're doing what you'd say would be valid. I'm willing to have a million violant extremists go after me. Just give me a means.
Well, maybe you could start a petition to create a division specifically for that function. Or start an international organization like the red cross for that purpose. And sure it might be expensive and sure it may take time, but at least it is something more than nothing.
Sorry if this just plain isn't a good enough defense for me not doing it, but me starting a petition............useless gesture. I suck at starting things and geting them big through referral.
 

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While you should not accept a rape victim being stoned you should at least tolerate muslim beliefs because they are nothing like that. I may know very little about Islam but I know enough to be able to tell you that stoning a rape victim is not the norm and this act was carried out by a bunch of extremists that are probably just trying to hide behind religion. I don't really care though because I don't value any life at all let alone human life. Oh well, you can't change anything really so just stay quiet until you have at least thought up a plan to deal with things like this.
 

Hunde Des Krieg

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mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
mike1921 said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
Hmmm, are YOU going to be in the peace corps or army or whoever would be responsible for enforcing these things? Are you going to go to the region to tell millions that their traditions are backwards? Are you going to endure the possible violent resistence to your proposed plan?

If not: SHUT THE FUCK UP
If so: Good Luck and remember to bring some body armor.
It's not that simple. If that's how it works than sure I would.
Yeah actually it is. Trying to fight for it is all you can do, and if you aren't willing to fight for what you believe then you shouldn't complain about it and shouldn't send people to get down and dirty for you. Saying something 'isn't that simple' is a cop out.

I don't necassairily mean you in particular, I am using it as a generalization.
I mean if we had a division of the army dedicated to stopping this instead of doing.......whatever it is we're doing what you'd say would be valid. I'm willing to have a million violant extremists go after me. Just give me a means.
Well, maybe you could start a petition to create a division specifically for that function. Or start an international organization like the red cross for that purpose. And sure it might be expensive and sure it may take time, but at least it is something more than nothing.
Sorry if this just plain isn't a good enough defense for me not doing it, but me starting a petition............useless gesture. I suck at starting things and geting them big through referral.
Okay fine, make excuses.... Or maybe find like minded people and work with them to some end. Or just make excuses and get on with your life.
 

Simriel

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MagnumJoe said:
Ummmmmmmm

Guys, I am a muslim, and i assure you, that stoning a raped girl is against rules of islam! Are you kidding me? In islam the rapist gets hanged! But the girl is a victim! Wherever you have seen that or heard it, it's not islam, that's either stupid arabic or middle asian tradition, with complete ill understanding of rules of islam.

I defy anyone of you anywhere, to show me the commandment in the Quran, or in the sayings of the prophet Mohammad that claims so.

This poll is inconsistent.

Know what you are talking about before posting.
The problem is not every Muslim thinks like you.
 

Agayek

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Lyiat said:
Forgive me for this... I need to play the Devil's Advocate here.

Simply because we do not like their traditions nor agree with them does not give us the right nor privilege to dictate what they may and may not do in their own country and with their own religion. Personally... I hate what they do. I see Radical Islam as a threat against the rest of the world, including other Muslims. They plan to take over the rest of the world and unite it under the Koran and the Shiira law... however, we -can't- tell them how to think or how to act in the places that they call their own. We are not the world's police.

Like it or not, we can't tell them not to do it. We have to respect their traditions, even if we deplore them and look down on the act.
^ This.

The only time it is ever acceptable to interfere with another country is when the people request help.
 

Simalacrum

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ok, so, we keep on saying that all this should stop (quite rightly so)

the question is how? its obvious by now that going in guns blazing won't do any good, and such idealism is extremely hard to eliminate: their belief on how to treat women is just as strong as our belief for equality - its rather hard to eliminate opinions based around religion or culture.

so, what exactly do we do?
 

Simriel

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MagnumJoe said:
urprobablyright said:
way to make a redundant thread...
The more funny part is, that this is not even a muslim tradition, lol! These are some freaking barbaric people, who happens to be muslims, and they are performing their old barbaric rituals, regardless of their religion, which actually prevented them at some point in the past from doing this! But i don't know why in these days, when a bad muslim does something wrong, we say:"Look! He is muslim!" Not:"Look! He is bad!"

The irony in this thread is funny though. So maybe i am having a bit of fun.
Problem isn't that the man is Muslim. Its that he tries to use Islam to back up his barbarity. This is where the misinformed idea that Islam ALLOWS it comes from.
 

Chinchama

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I think regardless of what someone believes you should always respect them a little, even if it seems batshit insane to you, everyone deserves some form of respect.
 

stompy

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MagnumJoe said:
Uh... I don't know if you're insulting me or praising me, so I suppose I'll answer with a straight face.

Upon further reading, the people behind this stoning accused her of adultery, and that's why she was stoned, as per Sharia law. However, the girl's father and Amnesty International claim that, as per Shairia Law, she can't of been accused of adultery, because she was raped and she's too young, respectively.

So... yeh, it's a case of fundamentalists being, well, themselves. It doesn't matter if they were Muslim, Christian or Hindu, they are fundamentalists, and that's why there actions were so barbaric.

Seekster said:
I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.
Sati, definitely one of the worst things that could have been introduced into Hinduism. However, there are more parallels than just the one you draw. Both were misapplications of the intended use of the practice: Sati was supposed to be a voluntary practice by the wife to show her devotion to her husband, while the reason Islam has those harsh sanctions is because it's so hard to prove. Both were also forced onto females, often at a young age, because of the extremists, with Hindu and Muslim extremists using social pressure and force.

So, I suppose what we learn from this is that, regardless of the religion, you'll get some kind of extremist trying to do something that not only defies sense, but it also goes against their religious teachings.

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Simriel said:
The problem is not every Muslim thinks like you.
No, the problem is that the vocal minority of Muslims, the extremists, use their religion as a cause to rally behind, but in doing so, they disregard many of the ideas the religion stands for. It's compounded by the fact that many people, who don't take the time to filter through the bullshit and learn things for themselves, take those fundamentalists' words that they are Muslims, and thus, the majority of Muslims, the people who are rational human being with religious beliefs, get shit for it.

Doug said:
I'm not trying to defend the Empire, but I think this particular item in its history isn't exactly a black mark.
No, no it's far from a black mark. However, it's probably one of the few things 'The Empire' did that we can thank you for...
 

ranc0re

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This isn't really a "tradition" so to speak. It's an example of a very old system of law. And there is a line that needs to be drawn between what is "cultural", and what is "blatantly wrong". Stoning one to death is excruciatingly painful and barbaric.

Also, stoning could be regarded as a "tradition" in Christianity if they all followed the bible literally...