Poll: If Jesus ran for president, would you vote for him?
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No, I wouldn't vote for him, because he wouldn't be illegible to run for President of the United States as he is not a citizen and thus I can't vote for him because he's not on the ballot.
Plus, assuming he could, two things:
Separation of Church and State exists for a reason.
"I'm Jesus" isn't good enough for me as a campaign platform.
Plus, assuming he could, two things:
Separation of Church and State exists for a reason.
"I'm Jesus" isn't good enough for me as a campaign platform.
I think a lot of people on both side of the argument really need to read their Bible and separate what it says about Jesus to what they've been told about Jesus by churches / other Christians. There can be a wide gulf between the two.
Jesus was and is a revolutionary. He simply would not fit in the existing political structure. There are too many people with too much power to lose (the established church included) if Jesus were elected to run the country.
Politics and morality don't mix well. I had a conversation with the high-profile brother of the former treasurer of Australia, Rev Tim Costello and I asked him why he didn't follow his brother into politics. He told me that it would require too much of a compromise on his core beliefs in order to be a functioning part of a political party. He also said that there have been people that have really pushed for social justice and widespread welfare reform but they've been hamstrung at every turn. He said he could do more good by doing his own thing and that's where I see that Jesus would fit in.
As for the separation of church and state, well Christianity was founded AFTER Jesus' death and wasn't an established religion until Constantine made it the religion for the masses, so who knows what Jesus thinks about it.
Jesus was and is a revolutionary. He simply would not fit in the existing political structure. There are too many people with too much power to lose (the established church included) if Jesus were elected to run the country.
Politics and morality don't mix well. I had a conversation with the high-profile brother of the former treasurer of Australia, Rev Tim Costello and I asked him why he didn't follow his brother into politics. He told me that it would require too much of a compromise on his core beliefs in order to be a functioning part of a political party. He also said that there have been people that have really pushed for social justice and widespread welfare reform but they've been hamstrung at every turn. He said he could do more good by doing his own thing and that's where I see that Jesus would fit in.
As for the separation of church and state, well Christianity was founded AFTER Jesus' death and wasn't an established religion until Constantine made it the religion for the masses, so who knows what Jesus thinks about it.
it depends on his political views, i wont vote for him because of religion i'll vote for him on his ideas for the future.
You'll have to explain that. I'd try to say what's wrong with it, but it might be easier to ask you to explain what's *right* with it. The comparison seems false on its face. I can't think of a single relevant feature that deification of the sun has in common with atheists respecting science as a valid epistemological strategy. Perhaps there's a misconception here.Mako SOLDIER said:
errr..... citation needed?
Actually, while he probably doesn't rule it out in a formal sense, if you read his recent writings, he expresses the opinion that God and religion are wholly unnecessary to explaining the marvels of the universe. He is tactful and respectful of religion, but, in short, he essentially says that there's no evidence for it and no scientific reason to believe any of it.
As long as it remains unfalsifiable, it can never be disproven. World religions have been moving the goalposts for centuries as science encroaches on their traditional domains. With every new thing we learn, religions around the world either have to practice a philosophy of obstinate refusal to accept new knowledge (e.g. creationists) or they have to back off of predictions their religion might make so as to prevent it from being proven wrong.
Hence, it will never be "disproven".
So because you think one authority has an opinion you like, you are willing to discard the opinions of all other thinkers who disagree with that opinion? It's bad enough that you're appealing to authority, but you're *selectively* appealing to authority too... and to top it off, you're *misinterpreting* the opinions of that authority....
As Tim Minchin wisely observed, don't be so open-minded your brain falls out. "Conclusive proof" is an absurd standard. You can't conclusively prove a negative. You can no more conclusively prove there isn't a god than you can conclusively prove that there isn't an invisible pink unicorn (see my avatar).
Yes. I am in my right mind, and I believe that Dawkins would not set up concentration camps for religious people. Think about what you just said for a moment. There's an enormous leap from "Dawkins can be a bit rude to religious people" to "Dawkins would put them all in camps if he had his way"
Also, does that count as Godwinning this?
This is something I largely agree with, but I'm not sure you and I interpret this sentence the same way.
I just want to say I like you. I'm not religious, I'd like very much to be but I simply don't believe in it and it feels wrong to me to go through the motions but not ~feel it in my heart~XxRyanxX said:
That said I agree with you completely. Jesus never said that gays are bad and the hateful prejudice most people associate with Christians just isn't fair. Jesus believed in forgiveness and respect and I think it's sad how a lot of people seem to have lost sight in this. (Also I have been told that the portion that denounces sodomy in the Bible is in one of the letters, so it wasn't said by Jesus and it was meant as a rule for a specific group of people. But I wouldn't quote me on that...)
Also yes I would vote for Jesus, because he was kind of a badass, just saying.
The Bible never says gays are bad, but it does talk about how gay sex is bad.
Probably. The only thing is that I don't think Jesus would know a whole lot about politics. A lot about peace and love, but maybe not politics.
Then again, Politicians usually end up pretty corrupt, and considering how Jesus was perfect, he would either not corrupt or not join.
Besides, I thought he prefered preaching on a hill or by the shore, not in an office.
Probably. The only thing is that I don't think Jesus would know a whole lot about politics. A lot about peace and love, but maybe not politics.
Then again, Politicians usually end up pretty corrupt, and considering how Jesus was perfect, he would either not corrupt or not join.
Besides, I thought he prefered preaching on a hill or by the shore, not in an office.
Ok, first of all, yes I do know that nazi germany did not advocate communism, at least not publically, (you want to get technical and I could go on to say how Hitler attempted to make everyone equal, at least everyone that met his standards) I was simply pushing why those people who say, "Oh but communism must be good because it wants to do good things" are idiots, because great intentions dont necesarily make some philosophy a good philosophy, and considering the amount of people who have, and are continuing to be slaughted to this day for the "good of the state". Dont even get me started with China. And I'm not even going to touch that obvious hate you have for the republican party because, to be frank I dont feel like stepping into that BS right now, maybe later, but not right now.BRex21 said:
Ok, now what Jesus said was something along the lines of, "Let what belongs to Ceasar go to Ceasar, and what belongs to God, go to God." Yes he believed we should pay our taxes, because monetary value wont follow us into heaven! and he never stated that the rich have an "Obligation" as you put it to take care of the poor, in fact he stated that if you feel like you have an obligation, to NOT do it. God doesnt want you giving money to the church, or to anyone because he told you to, he wants you to do it out of the goodness of your heart, not to just be like, "Well, theres my paycheck, I need to take out 15% cuz if I dont I'm going to hell."
None of Jesus' teachings were of the huge oxymoron known as a socialist utopia, because in a socialist society, history cannot exist, and therefore, there is no such thing as a 'utopia'. If you want to sit around and pretend that socialism will work go ahead, but do so with the knowledge that every single communist nation in history was never able to get a pure socialist system to work, and they all had to have their 'dirty capitalist' enemies bail them out. Dont believe me? Study about the 'great' USSR. It almost starved to death, and would have, without its precious little black markets. Study Cuba, which no doubt would have had a third more violent revolution had the drug trade not paid for the failures of the system. What about China? The largest nation in human history that almost completely destroyed itself thanks to the teachings of Mao Zedong and his great leap forward, and would have killed the whole of the nation if he hadnt died and Deng Ziaopeng come to power to open of 'dirty capitalism' with the super power known as the United states. And what about North Korea? You know that dirty little child that is threatening the world into jumping into world war 3? Why that little brats being spoon fed by China in order to keep itself alive, COMMUNISM DOESNT WORK. The bible talks about how god gave land to men, not to governments. IF we want law and order, we follow governments, otherwise we would be stuck in anarchy where none of us would probably be alive because intellectuals wouldnt be seen to be worth the food they eat. I had no problem with the health care system, but that may just be because im not a lazy ass, I know that i need to work if I want to eat, a days work, for a days pay, simple. Although I wont lie, making it so that health care companies cant drop their customers for pre-existing conditions was probably a good thing.
Now on to my cannibal statement, no i dont call everyone in history a cannibal, and you seem to miss out on the main reason i called them that. Let me try to explain it in plain english, politicians have a nasty knack of taking the ideas and sacrifices of others, and twisting it toward their point of view to help the advancement of their political career. You want to meet a good politician? You need to go see an intellectual, go and see an actor, because the best politicians are the ones that can bs the fastest, the ones that can make up statistics on the spot.
And then you pull up the old Roman statement that christians are cannibals. Taking part of the body and blood of christ is so that we do not forget God in our lives. You ever been to church during one of those survices(sp? might be right but for some reason seems wrong.)? You can hear the pastor say the exact reason why you do it when he quotes the bible. "Here is my body, take and eat, do this IN REMEMBRANCE TO ME." If you took my insult at politicians personnally, then I apologize, I have been told over and over that I should be a politician, and I am glad that I am not one.
It has actually been fairly well proven that Jesus existed, whether or not he was the "messiah" is another story altogether, oh and to clarify, it's been proven that at the very least a guy named Jesus was around at the time in the general regionGreatTeacherCAW said:
No. We need to establish the separation of church and state in the US.
Trust me. It never actually got established in the first place.
Just ask yourself why EVERY SINGLE BLOODY politician ends EVERY speech with "God bless you and God bless America."
I don't have anything against a politician expressing their religious beliefs, but it is inappropriate to use it to get votes.
Trust me. It never actually got established in the first place.
Just ask yourself why EVERY SINGLE BLOODY politician ends EVERY speech with "God bless you and God bless America."
I don't have anything against a politician expressing their religious beliefs, but it is inappropriate to use it to get votes.
No,
Actually think he would make a good politician, because a loot of the things he said, was spoken in terms that can (and indeed is today) be interpreted in many different ways.
Also If Jesus plans to enforce his notion, that looking at a woman with lust is a sin, then the world would soon be depopulated of the male race :b
Actually think he would make a good politician, because a loot of the things he said, was spoken in terms that can (and indeed is today) be interpreted in many different ways.
Also If Jesus plans to enforce his notion, that looking at a woman with lust is a sin, then the world would soon be depopulated of the male race :b