Poll: I'm going to buy Mortal Kombat Used just out of Spite.

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The Wykydtron

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I wasn't gonna buy it anyway, i suck at fighting games in general...

The only fighting game i would be tempted to get is MvC3 if they added Phoenix Wright as a downloadable character... Then i would spend many days mastering him *sigh* Goddammit Capcom

Back on topic, yeah this whole online pass doesn't really bother me at the moment, since i can afford to buy games new, but i fully expect myself to become part of the pitchfork weilding mob once i run out of money

Now i'm waiting for Activision to annouce it's online pass scheme...
 

mechanixis

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Azaraxzealot said:
jpoon said:
Azaraxzealot said:
i pirated Minecraft out of spite.

seriously, mojang didn't deserve the march mayhem award....

buying used isn't enough to stick it to such a developer
Aw, that's really weak. The game only costs $15 and it's infinitely more worth it than any recent EA or Activision game, or almost any other dev/publisher for that matter.

Pirate a game like *Mass Effect or *Dragon Age instead!

*I don't condone doing this btw, but I won't complain if you do...

I'm definitely not getting this game, personally I think even though it's wrapped in a sweet candy shell, it's still a piece of shit.
just because they're "big, scary corporations"? no. they've made many great games that i've been lost in and continue to play for hours on end while losing track of time such as Prototype, Mass Effect, and Rock Band.

besides, everyone has a huge hard-on for Mojang now... but once THAT turns into a "faceless corporation" thanks to the very fanboys who praised it, the cycle will continue.
"Anyone can take a dump on large, well-funded developers. Me, I was cheating small independent devs out of compensation for their work before it was cool."
 

Midnight Crossroads

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I just won't be buying it. The only people I want to play with will buy, and we can play it offline on weekends. No big deal.
 

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mechanixis said:
"Anyone can take a dump on large, well-funded developers. Me, I was cheating small independent devs out of compensation for their work before it was cool."
You, sir, have my utmost respect. I think I may love you.
 

natster43

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I would buy it used if I did not want to play online. Even though they are being greedy assholes, it is a game I have been wanting and I have already pre-ordered it. I would rather not deal with being dicked out of a component of the game that is on the disk already. I was annoyed when my brother got Dead Space 2 and I could not play the Multiplayer on my account because we use different hard drives.
 

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Two things. 1) that's way too many options for a poll, a simple yes or no would have sufficed. 2) If you buy it used, aren't you just proving to the companies that their probably broken system is working fine? Just buy the game new. If more and more games are bought used they'll just make the stipulations to buy it new worse.
 

esperandote

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Better yet, don't buy it and send a letter saying you didn't buy it because you dissagree with that.
 

lord canti

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The more I see all these complaints about online passes and paying for dkc I can't help but wonder how many of them pay for xbox live.
 

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Nohra said:
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I think they need to stop punishing gamers for the practices of retailers.
If a used copy and a new copy cost the same, does it not punish the retailer more than the consumer if one comes with an extra ten bucks of stuff free?
Not if it's something the retailer wouldn't be selling anyway. Then it depends on if the retailer will discount the item $10 which I'm sure they wont.

AgentBJ09 said:
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Who's with me?
I'm not with you, nor anyone who agrees with any ideas similar just in the name of 'spite'. Spite is not as tough a word as you would think. In fact, here's what 'spite' means, according to merriam-webster.com, just in case.

'spite': petty ill will or hatred with the disposition to irritate, annoy, or thwart.

Note the use of the word 'petty' in there.

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I'm buying the CE new on Day 1, and if you DO buy the game used, you'll have to fork over for the online pass anyway, IF it is real and if you wish to try the online play. Remember, that this is still considered a rumor, so don't blow your top this soon, unless you have proof that this is real.

Otherwise, I support MK over other fighting games, especially Super Street Fighter 4 and MvC 3 considering how much Capcom seems to want to gouge us for stuff these days. Speaking of, why is another version of many of Capcom's recent games OK with people on this site, while a 10$ online pass for one game isn't? That sounds like hypocrisy to me.
Yea, I know what spite means and I know I?m being petty but no more than the Publishers. If they?re going to nickel and dime me, I will nickel and dime them back. I can afford to buy the game new and then buy the online pass at this point in my life it?s pocket change. But I?m not going to because I only want the game out of nostalgia and I prefer to challenge my friends to it when we?re sitting on the same couch.
However if the me of 10 years ago was a gamer now, he probably would be pirating at this point just because he didn?t have the kind of money to buy any games other than $10 or less used games; which were common back then.
And for your information I was on these boards with even more outrage when Capcom announced the first array of (on-disc) dlc characters for MvC3, which, if they bump the roster up to the count of MvC2, will cost owners of the game an additional $100. Sure that?s worse but the MK rumor is more recent and I haven?t already done a post on it. I was also here bitching out R* for their day one dlc ?bonus? gameplay content for LA Noir and a year or two ago the retardedly overpriced DLC they had for gta4.
The fact of the matter is that retailers, publishers, and console makers are going to continue to con gamers out of their cash if we never stand up for ourselves. We?re just the easier farm right now. If we stand up for ourselves and start refusing to pay some of the absurd extra charges that are being laid on us, they will start to bully others.
 

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lord canti said:
The more I see all these complaints about online passes and paying for dkc I can't help but wonder how many of them pay for xbox live.
It's one of the reasons I don't have a 360 or play MMOs.
I already pay Time Warner Cable plenty for online service. If they want more money for that, they can bother those guys.
 

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AgentBJ09 said:
Otherwise, I support MK over other fighting games, especially Super Street Fighter 4 and MvC 3 considering how much Capcom seems to want to gouge us for stuff these days. Speaking of, why is another version of many of Capcom's recent games OK with people on this site, while a 10$ online pass for one game isn't? That sounds like hypocrisy to me.
Super Street Fighter IV? Because it had more characters, stages, modes, and most importantly of all, more balance than it's predecessor. And it was at a budgeted price (half the price of the original).

There was enough there to warrant another purchase, because game balance changes are very important in fighting games. SSFIV is far more balanced than the vanilla version (SFIV).

That being said, I won't pay for a single costume pack. The very thought of it is ludicrous to me. But each to his own.
 

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GonzoGamer said:
Yea, I know what spite means and I know I?m being petty but no more than the Publishers. If they?re going to nickel and dime me, I will nickel and dime them back. I can afford to buy the game new and then buy the online pass at this point in my life it?s pocket change. But I?m not going to because I only want the game out of nostalgia and I prefer to challenge my friends to it when we?re sitting on the same couch.
Then, you shouldn't say you're doing this out of spite. You should say, "...because I don't have any reason to play it online." I however DO wish to play it online, and may buy some Live cards for the occasion.

Also, I will say your nostalgia argument is weak in this regard. I have been a fan of MK since '95, but I can see the gameplay and overall product of MK9 is far more improved from MK: Armageddon than Street Fighter IV is from SF 2/Alpha. (I do count the MK vs. DC game as one of the games in the MK line, but since it's non canon, I like to look at it as a fan service game and testing ground for the new fighting system.)

However if the me of 10 years ago was a gamer now, he probably would be pirating at this point just because he didn?t have the kind of money to buy any games other than $10 or less used games; which were common back then.
And for your information I was on these boards with even more outrage when Capcom announced the first array of (on-disc) dlc characters for MvC3, which, if they bump the roster up to the count of MvC2, will cost owners of the game an additional $100. Sure that?s worse but the MK rumor is more recent and I haven?t already done a post on it. I was also here bitching out R* for their day one dlc ?bonus? gameplay content for LA Noir and a year or two ago the retardedly overpriced DLC they had for gta4.
I don't track every user on here, but I'll say it again: This is a rumor for now, so unless you have proof of this happening in the game, or I see this launch day in my copy of the game case, I will see it as such.

However, I disagree with you on the GTA IV DLC. Lost and Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony were well worth the 20 price tags of each when I bought them, along with plenty of other DLC pieces I buy now and then.

The fact of the matter is that retailers, publishers, and console makers are going to continue to con gamers out of their cash if we never stand up for ourselves. We?re just the easier farm right now. If we stand up for ourselves and start refusing to pay some of the absurd extra charges that are being laid on us, they will start to bully others.
OK. That sounds a bit absurd to me. What makes people think everyone is out to get their dollars in gaming? Not every company is made up of leeches, and thinking that is just having a poor outlook on things.

ChromeAlchemist said:
Super Street Fighter IV? Because it had more characters, stages, modes, and most importantly of all, more balance than it's predecessor. And it was at a budgeted price (half the price of the original).

There was enough there to warrant another purchase, because game balance changes are very important in fighting games. SSFIV is far more balanced than the vanilla version (SFIV).

That being said, I won't pay for a single costume pack. The very thought of it is ludicrous to me. But each to his own.
OK. You're just wrong. The Online Modes make up for the removal of Survival and Time Attack? Not to me it doesn't. Same with the Car/Barrel attacking games; those are not worth another purchase to me since they were in SF 2, which also tried the same stunt of adding players while charging for a new version back then.

You cannot strip single player content to make room for multi player ones and call that a good addition, regardless of game genre. A sequel or second purchase should still have all the content of the original while adding to it, and in this case, SSF IV fails in that regard.
 

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Okay, so there seem to be a few main issues here that are being bickered over:

1. Game Dev's/Publishers removing or restricting content on used games.
2. Gamestop's used games sales model.
3. If the OP's original spite intent is valid.

Here are my solutions (Please note I will be stating a few things that others have already mentioned. It would really be tough to quote them all.):

1. Everyone needs to keep in mind that it is money that drives this industry. As an aspiring game programmer myself, I know it's more about passion and desire to join the industry in the first place, but every game company needs money to keep doing what they're doing. We need to keep in mind that there are many passionate individuals working at NetherRealm or any other game company. However, if these individuals don't receive their paychecks, then they really can't afford to keep doing what they're doing. That said, I believe that game companies need to produce incentives to buy new rather than stripping features from those who dare to buy used. The 20% off DLC voucher mentioned earlier in the thread is a great example. People who buy the game new get some incentive to do so, used game purchasers still receive the full game they intended to buy, and it helps to promote the sale of DLC content as well.

2. I will personally never trade a game in at Gamestop or any other used game store. I still have every game that I've ever purchased since my Atari 2600. If you are the kind of person who likes to trade games then you have a few options. Again we all need to keep in mind that money is the driving factor here. It's really not a shock to hear that you can get better prices for your used games on eBay, Craigslist, Amazon, or any other site that allows you to sell your stuff. The thing with Gamestop is convenience and a guaranteed quick sale. They need to make money to keep their stores open and pay their staff just like any other company. It's the same in any other industry as well. I know I can get a much better price selling my car myself than I can get for a trade-in at the dealer.

As it was mentioned earlier, Gamestop makes very little profit on the sale of new games or consoles. This is the same for any business that sells games. I used to work at Best Buy, and we made a hell of a lot more money selling you an HDMI cable for your 360 than we did selling you the 360 itself. In the same way, Gamestop turns a much better profit with the sale of used games, so no matter how much you complain, they're going to keep doing what they're doing. The point is this: if you're looking for convenience, then Gamestop is great. They've got a lot of locations and are always willing to take in trades, and they often have deals going on for trade-ins. If, however, you're looking to get the best price for your used game, then sell it yourself.

3. Finally the issue of spite. Here's the thing, if you buy this game used out of spite, the best result you're going to get is a sense of self-satisfaction. NetherRealms won't really notice, and WB won't notice. I most definitely agree with why you're feeling the way you are. I think it's important to discuss these issues if we want to see change in the industry. If you really feel cheated by this, write an email to NetherRealms and WB. Explain to them why you chose to buy the game used or not at all. The more they hear from us, all of us, the better, more informed choices they can make in the future about how to direct their marketing of their games. If you need a great example just look at Extra Credit's "Open Letter to EA Marketing."

Used game sales hurt game companies' profits, and they're looking for a solution. I'm sure it's easy to lose touch with the gaming public when most of your time is spent in an office and in meetings. I guarantee you, though, if any gaming company is provided with enough feedback stating something along the lines of, "I love your products, but chose to boycott/buy a used copy of your game for reason x. I would really like it to be solved with realistic resolution y, and will most definitely buy your products new in the future if these changes are made." followed by a simple thank you for the work and great games, then game companies will change the way they sell. Even if that reason is nothing more than to improve their bottom line, we will see change. I think you've got the right idea, but I don't think that buying the game used out of spite is going to help anyone, yourself included.
 

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Why bother? You are not going to make a difference that way and you are only going to confirm the notions regarding used game sales that they keep perpetuating.

Rather than buy used, I would recommend that you don't buy the game at all. Complete disinterest is the most effective way of announcing your displeasure with something (although developers sometimes won't listen even to that). And no, piracy doesn't count, beacuse you just end up announcing your interest in a different way.
 

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Online passes are good for the game industry because the money is going to the developers and publishers instead of the second hand sales shop.

Get it through your head, it makes sense.
 

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AgentBJ09 said:
Ok, well did you just skip all of my reasons as to why this was worth a purchase? "There's no Survival/Time Attack!" is a pretty weak reason as to why I'm just wrong.

I've pointed out plenty of reasons why this game warranted another purchase, perhaps not from your viewpoint, but from the viewpoint of a tournament/competitive player. They re-balanced the game, added ten more characters, gave everyone a second ultra combo, added a few more costumes, new trials, new stages, new bonus stages, etc...

Most importantly, they've re-balanced the game and added characters. Do you realise how major a change that is? That completely changes how characters are played, both casually and competitively. And it was at half the price of the original.

Fans asked for these changes, and Capcom gave it to them. I fail to see the evil intentions behind this.

Hell, Destructoid can explain it. http://www.destructoid.com/guide-how-to-stfu-about-super-street-fighter-iv-150353.phtml#ext
 

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i don't care about the game but the pass is free when you buy the game or am i miss reading that other post