Poll: "Ingredients in a Chicken McNugget" or "You Want me to Eat What Now?"

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Deathsong17

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Treblaine said:
Deathsong17 said:
That's why I said 'lowest tier' :p.
*snip*
You do realise that the meat that McDonalds serves is deliberatly the worst cuts, right? They're 'low tier' because they serve low quality goods. You may like their food, but that doesn't magicaly change the quality of the meat being served.

Also, just a heads up: when making an argument, it's best to stay on track. I'm not sure why seeing a rat in BK somehow proves that McDonalds is good, especially considering that 1) I never mentioned it and 2) you admited it was isolated. It also helps not to berate people, or give off a sense that you feel yourself superior to others because your opinion is word. It makes you less credible.
 

Kpt._Rob

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paulgruberman said:
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KingGolem said:
Yeah, I read a Popular Science article about all the harsh chemicals that we get from our environment. Let me sum it up for you: "Want to be rid of carcinogens and toxins? Too bad!" That's right, too bad. I eat at least twice that much poison for breakfast, and so do you. There's poison in water bottles, in hand lotion, in aerosol cans, in charred meat, and now we know it's in McNuggets. Whoop-de-do. Like I was going to stop eating those.
How has this attitude of learned helplessness become so prevalent? This stuff is really important, do we care so little that we'll sit back and poison ourselves just because the other options aren't as convenient? Sure, if I were swimming in the middle of a lake it might seem inconvenient to have to keep swimming, but that doesn't mean I would stop. The rewards of avoiding the path of apathy do pay off.
Most people have more important things to worry about than what the latest unverified fearmongering some book author, blogger, or media outlet is pulling to profit from. If there's confirmed information from scientific studies that amend the prior ones upon which the current policy is based upon, then let us make those changes. If no studies are being done, then let those who are concerned fund, or make requests of public agencies to fund, the new studies.

Everyone is free to have their opinion. They are also free to have no opinion. I'll go with the latter until such time as I am presented with sufficient proof one way or another; proof not present in the post you started this thread with.
Could I ask if you had read the significant edit that I made to my original post?
 

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Kpt._Rob said:
KingGolem said:
Yeah, I read a Popular Science article about all the harsh chemicals that we get from our environment. Let me sum it up for you: "Want to be rid of carcinogens and toxins? Too bad!" That's right, too bad. I eat at least twice that much poison for breakfast, and so do you. There's poison in water bottles, in hand lotion, in aerosol cans, in charred meat, and now we know it's in McNuggets. Whoop-de-do. Like I was going to stop eating those.
How has this attitude of learned helplessness become so prevalent? This stuff is really important, do we care so little that we'll sit back and poison ourselves just because the other options aren't as convenient? Sure, if I were swimming in the middle of a lake it might seem inconvenient to have to keep swimming, but that doesn't mean I would stop. The rewards of avoiding the path of apathy do pay off.
It's not like that at all. You're asserting a choice between avoiding toxins or dying. The real choice is to eschew all trappings of modern society, move out into the Amazon rainforest, and eat only vegetables grown in your own garden OR stay in society, eat chicken nuggets, and MAYBE slightly increase your chances of getting cancer when you get older. That Amazon thing is the only way I think you could stop from ever ingesting another synthetic poison again, and even if you wanted to just limit your poison intake, it probably wouldn't amount to much. Not enough to actively pursue, anyway. Now you do whatever puts your mind at ease, but I'm going to take my chances with the McNuggets.
 

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The last three times I had chicken at McDonalds, I was violently sick within a day. I've not been back in, oh, a decade. I hate thinking about what goes into some of our foods, and hate that it's always the more-ish ones that are probably the worst :(

I've also had food poisoning from chicken sandwiches from motorway service stations. Now I stick to the BLTs if I'm going to get anything from there. God, what is it about chickens that the food industry just likes to rape so hard?!
 

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Kpt._Rob said:
I think you throwing in this link would help at showing how bad McDonald's food is for you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101012/bs_yblog_upshot/mcdonalds-happy-meal-resists-decomposition-for-six-months
 

malestrithe

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Okay, so I now know what's in Chicken McNuggets. I can feel happy knowing that little bit of information.

It won't stop me from eating them, should I ever have a craving for it.
 

JLML

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Ugh. I'd have been perfectly happy not knowing all that. Now that I do, I can't eat another McNugget.

So do me a favour and DON'T list all the ingredients of other food I used to like!
What food do you like..? *evil smile*

OT: And I'm once again reminded of how awesome it is to be a pescetarian. That don't eat fast food.
People would be surprised over how much crap they eat every day. There are actually a couple of books about it. Everyone should read them... If I only remembered what they were called... xD
 

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Cheetos are cheesed up packaging material.

I think we should all just skip the crazy unhealthy stuff like McNuggets and go for something healthier. Like the Baconator or the Double Down Sandwich.
 

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Never confuse "so and so allows it in our food" or "they wouldn't put it into our food if it didn't have a purpose" with "it won't hurt you". It's bullshit.

It's a comfortable delusion that "if something was really bad, they would have gotten rid of it by now." That some agency, some board, some team is watching out for you, and if it could be harmful, they would have swooped down like a hawk and laid down the lightning on whoever dared to do harm to the innocent consumer. In some cases, it may be a necessary delusion to go on with the status quo. But never confuse how you think things should be with how they are.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of things that go into our food, we don't know a thing about. Maybe some study was done with rats, and the researchers didn't see anything go immediately wrong. Or maybe the study was done by the company responsible for the product, and God alone knows if the results are accurate or fudged to get the product out and making a profit. That a product doesn't immediately cause you to break out in a rash or bleed out the eyeballs doesn't mean that it can't be affecting you ten years down the line; I all but guarantee that what you're eating hasn't been exposed to that kind of rigor. And that's not even bringing up the products that remain on the market despite their known dangers because the relevant companies lobby and scream and carry on. Consider sodium nitrite in cured meats, or the refusal to add bitterants to anti-freeze to prevent their consumption by animals in children. Some decisions are being made for you not with your health in mind, but with getting products into your hand at a price that will make you buy more of them.

You can consider the risks of food that contains a few dozen synthetic chemicals acceptable. But don't sneer that those risks don't exist or that those who bring them up are "fear mongering". Reality doesn't back you up on that.
 

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The question isn't why are we eating this, but why are Americans still eating this? After all, you have less restrictions on what goes inside a nugget compared to Europe e.g..

Also, on topic:

Britain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKSoiDtdi9s

America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B7im8aQjo
 

ZantostheViking

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There may be lighter fluid in my chicken, but there is also mercury in my tuna and nitrogen in my beef. Might as well just become vegan now and save myself the long and painful death that surely awaits me. Oh wait! All my vegetables are genetically modified and trying to KILL ME!!!

It's a scary world out there, children, and your rarely eating what you think you are. Try not to think about it too much. =)
 

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JLML said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Ugh. I'd have been perfectly happy not knowing all that. Now that I do, I can't eat another McNugget.

So do me a favour and DON'T list all the ingredients of other food I used to like!
What food do you like..? *evil smile*

OT: And I'm once again reminded of how awesome it is to be a pescetarian. That don't eat fast food.
People would be surprised over how much crap they eat every day. There are actually a couple of books about it. Everyone should read them... If I only remembered what they were called... xD
Oh congratulations, you are so much better than the rest of us, especially since you got yourself a title. Just another -arian to despise. At the end of a 13-14hr work day, I'm eating the first thing I see, and if it McD's then so fucking what? Cheap, quick, filling, passably tasty, and not immediately fatal = dinner.
 

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I never did like food form McDonald's. And after looking at the ingredients in those death nuggets, it reinforces why I won't touch food from that company.
 

Necromancer1991

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Frankly if I went into detail about all the disgusting odds and ends in your food we'd be here all day, really noone is surprised that chicken nuggets have odd chemicals in them, when things such as chocolate have you know, bug legs and whatnot...
 

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FieryTrainwreck said:
That's capitalism.
Of course in capitalism, I always have the choice to take my business elsewhere. Quite frankly I haven't given McDonald's a dime in ages - if only for the fact that I believe that their food is too poor of a quality to justify my business - especially at their prices. Off topic, I still haven't even walked into a Game Stop, course that's apples and oranges.
 

Arachon

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Treblaine said:
Err, you've NEVER been into a McDonalds have you?

You can see RIGHT INTO the kitchen from where you stand to take an order, the staff have no alone time, there is constantly a manager around, they never know if one is right on their shoulder or a customer looking through from outside.

The "spit in their burger" is a rich-boy myth, an excuse for justifying them going to gourmet restaurants and feeling like they are spending their money well.

You'll be surprised what happens in fancy restaurants where the kitchens are out of sight of the customers where they get plenty of time alone with your food. The waiters too bringing it to your table, what if he didn't think you tipped enough? THEY are the ones paid minimum wage, they have a demeaning job waiting on you hand and foot, THEY are the ones who have a real reason to vandalise your food.

If a mcdonalds staff hates anyone, it is the manager, the guy the interact with keeping them in line. NOT the customer, who they barely see and interact with on a much more equal level.

Really I think what you lot hate most about McDonalds is not the company but the customers.

You don't like the idea of rubbing shoulders with the dirty "plebs". Nothing like an expensive restaurant to sort the wheat from the chaff, don't want to be sharing your table with some minimum-wager.
Just to get this clear, you're saying that disliking the food at McDonalds implies some sort of bourgeoisie contempt for the lower "classes"?
 

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stinkychops said:
Baby Tea said:
SirBryghtside said:
I hate to break it to you, OP, but a lot of things are deadly if you eat too much. So 5 grams kills? Whatever. Next you'll be asking us to ban salt.
No joke.
That's like when people say that margarine is 1 molecule away form plastic. As if that even makes sense! Wouldn't water be 1 molecule away from just 2 parts hydrogen?

Seriously, scare tactics and sensationalism like this always make me laugh.
I'll avoid anything that causes damage to reproduction.

2 parts hydrogen? Do you mean two parts oxygen?
x EvilErmine x said:
Treblaine said:
Deathsong17 said:
That's why I said 'lowest tier' :p.
I love it when stuck of rich guys waltz over to take a shit where I eat.

Yeah, your type, love to bash McDonalds, probably because you're well off enough to eat at some swanky restaurant most days. Well the NHS doesn't pay very well.

A meal costs £5.40 in Burger King and I have to pay for BBQ sauce. Same size meal costs £3.79 in MD and I get WiFi and BBQ sauce for free. That's 45% more at BK, for what?

I know this is just my personal experience but I went into burger king once and a rat, A FUCKING RAT ran past me and out the door. I know that's an isolated incident but seriously, what the fuck?!?! How did it get there, why was the staff so surprised when told them I saw a rat? Had they not even seen it?

Also. Egg McMuffin. Seriously. How the fuck is that "lowest tier" and they're open at 6am. Good pancakes too. You know a restaurant on the highstreet that does better than that!?!?

They're coffee is bitter crap but otherwise they are God Tier.

I know what it is. Nah, I've figured it out. It's the price, so cheap certain types get suspicious when you're not spending more than £6 for a meal. Well that's "sound" logic expense = quality[/sarc]. (Console games cost about 35-50% more than PC games)
Well i see where you are coming from but I'm not posh and i certainly am not rich. Just to let you know that if you get one meal a day for the standard working week (Mon-Fri) from McDonald's then you are spending £18.95 on fast food add an extra £1.05 and you've got £20.00. Take into consideration that if you went to Asda with that and did some shopping then you would be surprised at the things you could get. Most certainly you could get enough, and with some to spare, for you to make a lunch your self that would be considerably better for you. So for me it's got nothing to do with the price being low, in fact i think that the price is very high for what you get. The most i would pay for one of there meals would be no more than £2.00.
ASDA!?!? I know they've got good value food but do you honestly expect me to get up 30 minutes to an hour earlier to heat up the grill and veg oil to cook burger and fries, then somehow keep them warm for 7-8 hours and carry this around with me for the rest of the day?!? I already have to get up at 5:30am for a 2 hour commute to work and first thing in the mornign I struggle to make coffee.

And it doesn't get round the fact that I can have whatever happens to take my fancy when I arrive at McDonalds, not what I happened to cook that morning, with comfortable place to sit with wifi access (youtube on my ipod/PSP).

My TIME is valuable and has to be factored beyond the mere ingredients, also the techniques of production at McDonalds and the economy of scale cannot be applied with home cooking. I simply cannot cook a burger and fries as well as mcdonalds can.

I think £19 for a week's worth of hot lunches is incredibly good value and money well spent.
 

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KorLeonis said:
JLML said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Ugh. I'd have been perfectly happy not knowing all that. Now that I do, I can't eat another McNugget.

So do me a favour and DON'T list all the ingredients of other food I used to like!
What food do you like..? *evil smile*

OT: And I'm once again reminded of how awesome it is to be a pescetarian. That don't eat fast food.
People would be surprised over how much crap they eat every day. There are actually a couple of books about it. Everyone should read them... If I only remembered what they were called... xD
Oh congratulations, you are so much better than the rest of us, especially since you got yourself a title. Just another -arian to despise. At the end of a 13-14hr work day, I'm eating the first thing I see, and if it McD's then so fucking what? Cheap, quick, filling, passably tasty, and not immediately fatal = dinner.
Well, you have some problem at least. Don't know if it's food related, but if you get angry at someone for being different from you as far as eating habits go, you have some kind of problem. I was just speaking my opinion, if you don't like it, don't read it. And don't quote me just to say you despise me for it. That's just meaningless flaming, something that isn't very tolerated.
 

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There's a great deal to discuss here, but frankly, two glaring points stick out that must be addressed.

Many books full of psuedoscience use complex terms unnecessarily. When physicians, nutritionists, and scientists speak to the public, they generally try to avoid using field-specific terms to avoid confusing the public. Likewise, when psuedoscience is written, they love to throw out large words which are purposefully misleading.

Second, the complex chemical names of organic compounds are due to the complexity of chemistry. Would you eat (3R,4S,5S)-6-(Hydroxymethyl)oxane-2,3,4,5-tetrol? The official name is based entirely off a method of naming compounds created by an international body called the IUPAC. From there, official names get sawed down to something more useful. Any organic chemist of biochemist could, with a lot of pain, draw the structure of (3R,4S,5S)-6-(Hydroxymethyl)oxane-2,3,4,5-tetrol from the name alone if you asked. Then they'd probably growl out, "Why the hell didn't you just say glucose?!" The official name specifies the position of every atom. Modified, shorter names are used which still sound alien, but hint at structure. For example, blood sugar is how I'd inform a patient about glucose. I'd say glucose to a fellow med student. I'd say dextrose to an anal-retentive organic chemist who wants us to remember there's a D, right-handed, form which living things use, and an L, left-handed form which is only found in a lab. (Dextro, right, levo, left). Finally, I'd only use the IUPAC name to prove a point about how organic compounds are named.

N-acetyl-galactosamine sounds horrifying, but it's a modified sugar found in many body tissues. Your body synthesizes it because it's needed for tons of specialized proteins and other uses. It's "all natural," but man does that name sound "terribly chemical." The name tells someone with the correct background exactly what the compound's structure is, but only if they've memorized the structure of galactose and have a background in the field. Examples could go on all day. Just look up any "all natural" substance, such as curare, thiamine (Vitamin B1), cellulose, and quite a few others. They all have scary, chemically names.

Now, onto the psuedoscience of the sourcebook cited. My comments are in parenthesis or inserted into the text.0

"The corn fed chicken; corn starch (Glucose bound into a chain); modified cornstarch (more of the same); mono-, tri-, and diglycerides (basic, normal fats); dextrose (Glucose under a more specific name); lecithin (these are the basic building blocks of cell membranes and are in literally everything you eat; it's a catch-all group for perfectly normal parts of your cell membranes. These things with scary names like phosphatidylcholine and phosphatidylethanolamine); chicken broth (yum!); yellow cornflower; vegetable shortening (fat); partially hydrogenated corn oil (more fat); and citric acid (a compound found in almost every cell in your body which is used when you burn sugar, fats, etc)."

Ok, stop trying to scare folks with names for stuff that makes up, well, food.

"A few other plants are used as ingredients, wheat in the batter, and sometimes hydrogenated oil from soybeans (fat), canola (fat), or cotton is used in place of that from corn (Citation Needed - I want proof given how much snow this has already tried to throw. Cotton Seed Oil, maybe? That's just...fat). McNuggets also contain several completely synthetic ingredients: sodium aluminum phosphate (a salt, and all the components are "natural"); mono-calcium phosphate (ditto, plus all essential); sodium acid pyrophosphate (as above); calcium lactate (see above); dimethylopolysiloxene (which, according to the Handbook of Food Additives, is a suspected carcinogen, as well as a confirmed mutagen, tomorigen, and reproductive effector, it is also flammable);

I checked the MSDS, and none of those claims bore out. Flammable is great; did you know sucrose, ethanol (the kind of alcohol we like), and many triglycerid-...fats...hell, most foods burn?

"and tertiary butylhydroquinone (TBHQ) [which, according to A Consumer's Dictionary of Food Additives, is a form of butane (lighter fluid)"

This is a common sort of error. In organic chemistry and biochemistry, compounds often have a "group" which is where things tend to happen. These are called functional groups. It contains a BUTYL group, which is a chemical term for a four carbon chain. Butane, lighter fluid, is only a four carbon chain with all its spaces filled with hydrogen. Having a butyl group confers certain chemical properties of interest, but doesn't make a substance lighter fluid.

Consider sucrose, table sugar. It has eight alcohol groups. Table sugar, in chemical terms, is indeed laden with alcohol groups and this confers a lot of properties to it. However, it's not going to get you drunk as a skunk, since it has many alcohol groups on its two sugar components. Glucose itself has no fewer than four alcohol groups attached. Ethanol has only one; alcohol as most folks know it has less alcohol groups per carbon than table sugar.

"that the FDA allows processors to use sparingly in food: it may comprise no more than 0.02% of the oil in a nugget. Ingesting a single gram of TBHQ can cause nausea, vomiting, ringing in the ears, delirium, and a sense of "suffocation and collapse." Five grams of TBHQ can kill.]

The LD-50 studies I saw on MSDS' came no where near suggesting that, unless you weigh a bit less than 13 pounds. And really, are you drinking the oil? Everything has an LD-50, even water.

The nugget is responsible for chicken having passed beef as the most consumed meat in America."

In Wikipedia's phraseology, Citation Needed.