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Call Me Arizona

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Still don't understand the "if it's for hunting it's okay" thing that's going on. If you use the animal and eat it or if the animal population needs to be reduced, go ahead, otherwise, hunting down living creatures and killing them for fun seems a bit demented to me.
 

Keanotix

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Im getting the impression you would be very mature and responsible with your gun and unlike alot of people you would treat the rifle with the amount of respect it deserves. But at the exact same time the naysayers opposed to the idea have a very valid point with the phrase 'no good could come from it' Which in a weird way is true. There is no practical purpose for having a gun, even a replica/soft bb variation has no true purpose other than to practice shooting, you could argue it could be used for home defence, but it isnt as straightforward with the law as you might have seen on TV. you can still get in alot of real trouble for using that gun on anything but a target. Like I said, i believe you would only use it for targets, but you will be bored of that quickly, so either you put it away to gather dust or try more interesting targets like small animals or vermin. The naysayers will be nervous for very good reasons, but perhaps they are not explaining them as they should be, instead resorting to just 'GUNS ARE BAD' as the primary argument.

in short (too late for that i know) i went for 'both wrong' simply because there wasnt a 'both right' option. At the end of the day, your decision...
 

magnuslion

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Demented Teddy said:
I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

Guns are extremly dangerous regardless of who is holding it and if his mother does not want a gun in her house then tough shit for the OP.
while I agree that op's mom and stepdad have a right not to have a gun in their house, are you saying you are willing to give up the right to bare arms and let the government be the only ones who have weapons? do you really believe that any governmental force will always act in its citizens best interests?
 

BluenetteDiviner

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I have a rifle... my parents see nothing wrong with it. Why should yours?

I shoot clothes off the washing line with mine xD

The ones I don't like obviously. :p

I was 13 when I got mine.
 

B2kCyclops

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Their place, their rules.
As easy as it is.
Get an own place, pay your own bills and as long as you don't do that, play by their rules.
 

magnuslion

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Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

Guns are extremly dangerous regardless of who is holding it and if his mother does not want a gun in her house then tough shit for the OP.
while I agree that op's mom and stepdad have a right not to have a gun in their house, are you saying you are willing to give up the right to bare arms and let the government be the only ones who have weapons? do you really believe that any governmental force will always act in its citizens best interests?
Here's some news for you:
The United States of America is not the only country in the world.
LOLS.

I am roman and jewish. the right I am talking about should belong to all people everywhere. and it is likely in my mind that your opinion in this issue is based upon the unrest in your own country as opposed to what is fair and right and equitable to all people, everywhere.
 

Kuhkren

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You asked this on a site with a lot of people who live in the UK and Australia ._. . I shoot soda cans and targets at 500yd or greater with high caliber rifles. Its a past time in a lot of places in the United States. Give the firearm the proper respect it deserves and don't be stupid with it.

On the subject of gun control, I think having the technology that reads your fingerprints to allow the firing mechanism to operate would be a fair system. Personally I wouldn't want to give up my firearms because I don't trust in the stability of governments and people and prefer to supply my own security.
 
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Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?
 

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KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?
I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.
 
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Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

Guns are extremly dangerous regardless of who is holding it and if his mother does not want a gun in her house then tough shit for the OP.
while I agree that op's mom and stepdad have a right not to have a gun in their house, are you saying you are willing to give up the right to bare arms and let the government be the only ones who have weapons? do you really believe that any governmental force will always act in its citizens best interests?
Here's some news for you:
The United States of America is not the only country in the world.
LOLS.

I am roman and jewish. the right I am talking about should belong to all people everywhere. and it is likely in my mind that your opinion in this issue is based upon the unrest in your own country as opposed to what is fair and right and equitable to all people, everywhere.
Oooohhhh.
We have a liberal do we?
I'm a fascist, so I'm pretty much your political opposite.

As a matter of fact:
Ireland is a very safe country, very little gun related murders or robbery and guess what?
Guns are not legal, even our police force (An Garda Síochána) do not carry guns, our gardaí only carry metal batons and mace.
With that in mind consider how low our country's crime rate is compared to other countries where guns are easier to get.

Yes! Another Fascist on the Escapist! And Irish to boot!

While I agree with how civilians shouldn't have guns, I do think police and other law enforcers should have them. They just need to be able to respond to anything. Police need to take a confrontation to a level above what they're faced with. You come at me with a punch, I knock you out with my flashlight, that sort of thing.

And, well, farmers should be allowed firearms as well, but nothing sophisticated. Just something to shoot predators with. But any Joe Blow should not be able to get a firearm.
 

magnuslion

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Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

Guns are extremly dangerous regardless of who is holding it and if his mother does not want a gun in her house then tough shit for the OP.
while I agree that op's mom and stepdad have a right not to have a gun in their house, are you saying you are willing to give up the right to bare arms and let the government be the only ones who have weapons? do you really believe that any governmental force will always act in its citizens best interests?
Here's some news for you:
The United States of America is not the only country in the world.
LOLS.

I am roman and jewish. the right I am talking about should belong to all people everywhere. and it is likely in my mind that your opinion in this issue is based upon the unrest in your own country as opposed to what is fair and right and equitable to all people, everywhere.
Oooohhhh.
We have a liberal do we?
I'm a fascist, so I'm pretty much your political opposite.

As a matter of fact:
Ireland is a very safe country, very little gun related murders or robbery and guess what?
Guns are not legal, even our police force (An Garda Síochána) do not carry guns, our gardaí only carry metal batons and mace.
With that in mind consider how low our country's crime rate is compared to other countries where guns are easier to get.

To quote Yahtzee: Short answer: NO. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

the presumption of my being a liberal says more about your mind than it does about me. I am a libertarian. do all the heroin you want and leave what is mine alone.

as far as you being a fascist:no one cares.

in answer to your crime rate being low: Yes, when the people are terrified of the government, their neighbors, and the world in general, crime rates due tend to drop. after all, the official "Crime rates" during nazi germany were pretty damn low, considering that most crimes were punishable by death.

But I will not give up my freedoms so that cowards can have their illusion of safety. because that is all it is. the government cannot and will not keep you safe from anything.

above all: you have hostility issues. you should get some counseling, because it is unlikely the rest of the world is going to adopt your policies and beliefs so that you can feel like you are right.
 

Danpascooch

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Trivun said:
Yes, he is. I'm an advocate of strict gun control, the only people who should be allowed guns are the police, the military, and licensed shooting ranges for recreational purposes. And I say that as someone who has used guns before, fired both blank and live ammo, and has had training in how to maintain and use an L-98 rifle as well as other weaponry.

I guess my point is, don't get a freaking gun, you idiot!
You're calling him an idiot for wanting a gun, yet you have used guns before.

Use logic much?

EDIT: To the OP, If you want a gun that's perfectly fine, granted you wait until you have your own place and therefore set the rules, just for the love of god, be responsible with it.
 

Johnny Cain

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I'd never trust any civilian with a gun, 'trained' or not. It's inadvisable to seek one.

It'll be cool for about ten minutes, then just get progressively awkward.
 
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Wadders said:
KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?
I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.
 
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magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
magnuslion said:
Demented Teddy said:
I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

Guns are extremly dangerous regardless of who is holding it and if his mother does not want a gun in her house then tough shit for the OP.
while I agree that op's mom and stepdad have a right not to have a gun in their house, are you saying you are willing to give up the right to bare arms and let the government be the only ones who have weapons? do you really believe that any governmental force will always act in its citizens best interests?
Here's some news for you:
The United States of America is not the only country in the world.
LOLS.

I am roman and jewish. the right I am talking about should belong to all people everywhere. and it is likely in my mind that your opinion in this issue is based upon the unrest in your own country as opposed to what is fair and right and equitable to all people, everywhere.
Oooohhhh.
We have a liberal do we?
I'm a fascist, so I'm pretty much your political opposite.

As a matter of fact:
Ireland is a very safe country, very little gun related murders or robbery and guess what?
Guns are not legal, even our police force (An Garda Síochána) do not carry guns, our gardaí only carry metal batons and mace.
With that in mind consider how low our country's crime rate is compared to other countries where guns are easier to get.

To quote Yahtzee: Short answer: NO. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

the presumption of my being a liberal says more about your mind than it does about me. I am a libertarian. do all the heroin you want and leave what is mine alone.

as far as you being a fascist:no one cares.

in answer to your crime rate being low: Yes, when the people are terrified of the government, their neighbors, and the world in general, crime rates due tend to drop. after all, the official "Crime rates" during nazi germany were pretty damn low, considering that most crimes were punishable by death.

But I will not give up my freedoms so that cowards can have their illusion of safety. because that is all it is. the government cannot and will not keep you safe from anything.

above all: you have hostility issues. you should get some counseling, because it is unlikely the rest of the world is going to adopt your policies and beliefs so that you can feel like you are right.


I CALL GODWIN'S LAW!

Also: Libertarian pointing out the futility of anothers ideology is irony-concentrate.
 

Danpascooch

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KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Wadders said:
KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?
I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.
It's a skill and a hobby, much like Archery, would you fault them?