Poll: Is it cheap, if it's in the game?

[Weaver]

So long as you aren't using exploits it's fair game IMO.
RTS games are also the hardest to balance properly... again, IMO.

 

[BenMcMichael]

and just to add, i dont believe that i am the best sf fighter anywhere, that is momochi or daigo. I just think that the move is too powerfull to be fair game if spammed

 

[Eatbrainz]

my step bro constantly spawns scorpion tanks in halo 3 because he rarely wins a firefight with me.

 

[Deathsong17]

Sanders? I do believe her name is Anders. Anyway, that sounds like the same thing as when I made a hesitant venture into Gears of War online, and I was assaulted with "YOU CAN'T USE A SHOTGUN AT CLOSE RANGE, THAT IS SO CHEATING."

Wow, that's just... WTF? Who would possibly say something like that?

 

[Undeed]

There is no such thing as cheap tricks.

In the end, the winner is the winner.

I agree, but my plea is, that if it's in the game, then that the ways it was meant to be played.

Who cares how it was meant to be played if you still reach success =P

See, but the limit I put on myself is not to be a total ass, to have some sportsmanship and play fairly. It's one thing to have superior strategy, but to win because "it's in the game" seems low in some cases. This is why people glitch and grief, because they can. I see the oposite feeling, and actual features in the game should not bee called cheap, especially in games where everyone had the same options and made their choices. But there are things in the game that people find use for outside of it's intent, like spamming moves in fighting games. Yes, you will win; but there is no challenge and we can be fairly sure that this was not the way the game was meant to be played.

/twocents.

 

[aww yea]

things people class as n00b tricks are just strategies they haven't seen a way to defend against

unless they're taking advantage of a glitch

 

[elitecrewer]

It depends a bit.

But for the most part, if it's in the game, go for it. It doesn't make you good, but quite a lot of the time good players don't defend against potential 'cheap' attacks. I say the threat of a cheap attack keeps them honest.

E.G. four pool rush in Starcraft. This is where the Zerg player rushes 6 Zerglings ASAP. A player who is any good can defend against this if he knows that it's coming. But he might not prepare defences early on, so so the noob will win. Sure, the noob is a noob (<- ?!), but, by making 4pool fair game, good players are kept 'honest', in that they must focus some resources into early defences. This way, the noob technique will never win, but players are forced to play in a slightly different way. And if the exploit is in the game, then that means that this 'slightly different way' of playing is how the developer wanted it done.

 

[xChevelle24]

Well, since everyone seems to be bashing the people complaining, i think i will defend them.

for one, the shotgun in gears is the only weapon worth using, and has a reticle the size of half the screen, so using the shotgun does take minimal skill, however gears is a shit game anyways so i just lol at people that actually play that game.

anyone who whines in halo wars should only be whining about people who rush, because its just so fucking boring and takes the fun out of the game. if you use professor anders and warthog rush, please just feel free to set yourself on fire and jump off a cliff, because your not even playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

people will always look for ways to exploit a game any way they can in order to win, and it takes the fun out of the game. sure, if its in the game, its legit, but i bet there are people here who ***** and moan about camping, am i right? camping is a legit tactic, and its also the most bitched about tactic.

so, in conclusion, people will whine and moan about certain tactics, but the fact is, if you really have to win that bad to where you would actually exploit the game that much, just stop playing and let the other people have fun.

cheers!

 

[Undeed]

In singleplayer, there is nothing in the world wrong with using every cheat, exploit, bug, hole, and cheese tactic.

Only if you are willing to admit personal failiure, or if it's really awesome cheats, expolits, bugs, holes, and cheese tactics. It comes to a matter of personal pride, defeating the single player unassisted. Then I do a second playthrough and glitch to my hearts content for fun and for profit.

 

[razer17]

certain things are only in games because they are bugs/ can't be sorted. glitching etc, is cheating
unless of course you only mean legitimate cheap tricks, which are fine.

 

[Sea Age]

"The greatest n00b, is the one calling the other guy a n00b." -Winston Churchill.

If it's in the game, it goes. The tactic/weapon/vehicle you use may be OP, it may be cowardly, and you may not need much - if anything - skill to use it, but it's still there, and I'd rather kill someone with it (or whatever I have to do to win the round) than being killed with it.

Besides, if it really is a n00b's tool, I'd much rather be a n00b and use it, than be embarassed when someone else rapes me with it.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Only in Multiplayer. If it is a single-player glitch, then use the hell out of it.

But, when you start to use glitches in multiplayer, then it becomes, as the thread starter put it, an equalizer. An unfair equalizer.

I am a very competitive person, and i want to know how good I am straight up, with no handicap. So, when other people cheat (or "glitch"), then it tips the scales in their favor.

this is not about glitches this is about using a unfair (for those who are too thick too know how to counter it) strategy like using anders in halo wars or camping or (snigger) firing a shotgun at close range. though I agree with the fact that glitches should not be used in multiplayer.

 

[Quantupus]

I voted yes, only because I am reminded of a trick in left 4 dead where you could melee a door that is supposed to be opened from the other side to let in people who fell off the roof, and if you sit there and melee it long enough it will break, letting you skip an entire crescendo event where you start a lift to get up to a roof and get attacked by like 300 zombies. This was fixed in an update I think.

Anyway, this is the sort of exploit I hate, and hate even more when someone on my team does it( But I ran over and started the lift anyway ). I had no problem with melee spam though, but valve fixed that anyway with the cooldown time after 5 melees.

 

[The Ruler of Nosgoth]

Absolutely not. That reminds me of a time when I was playing Tekken with a friend. I was playing as Ogre in his big hairy dragon form (or whatever the fuck he is). I kept using his fire attack over and over, which kills anyone in about 4 hits, and since I used it fast enough Ogre stayed in mid-air almost the whole time, meaning he couldnt be hit. My friend got pissed and said I was cheating.
If it's in the game, it's fair. If you're able to win using a trick, thats good. Its called SKILL dumbasses.
Jesus Bloody Christ I hate people who call you a noob for WINNING. Its a game for FUCKS SAKE! Didn't your mum ever teach you not to be a sore loser (READ: whiny little ass-hat)? And most of the time the people who call you a noob for using a trick don't know about it, and then end up using it themselves... and them I kill them with my fire breath

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Developers are capable of getting things wrong.

It can sometimes take time for it to become clear that a particular weapon, technique or perk is overpowered.

Funny thing about COD4 is you get called cheap no matter what weapons and perks you use. (I use or RPD with M4 with red dot/grip, claymore, stopping power, deep impact)

 

[GonzoGamer]

He should be complaining about balance problems to the developer.
What does he plan on doing, complaining to everyone who does that?

 

[Sir_Nolan]

Developers are capable of getting things wrong.

It can sometimes take time for it to become clear that a particular weapon, technique or perk is overpowered.

Funny thing about COD4 is you get called cheap no matter what weapons and perks you use. (I use or RPD with M4 with red dot/grip, claymore, stopping power, deep impact)

I think Halo 3 is the same way. I've heard complaints about every weapon being cheap except the battle rifle, magnum pistol, and plasma pistol. I personally like the Needler and that can be called cheap by some people who see no problem with camping with a sniper rifle. I think people complain about whatever gets them, especially if it's not a strategy they themselves use.

 

[beddo]

I just finished a game of Halo Wars, that I won. A little while afterwards, I was messaged by my opponent, calling me a noob, and saying that I only won because I used Sanders (who is believed to be easier).

I see alot of this, not only pertaining to Halo wars, but many other games too. Like 2 piecing in GoW2, or melee spamming in L4D. So what I ask of you, my fellow escapists, is it wrong if it's in the game? My stand is that: if it's in the game, it goes.

Alot of times I hear things like, "things like that are only used as equalizers for players who don't have the skillz to do it the right way", or "only noobs use cheap tricks.

I'm sorry if this has been done before, but I could'nt find another one like it. So please, express your view's my fellow escapists.

Cheating is only when you exploit a feature to unintended ends. Things such as exploiting clipping to hide etc.

Playing as one party over the other does not count. He was obviously a nause otherwise he wouldn't have bothered replying. When I lose in a game I'm graceful about it. I do get annoyed by having crap teams like in Bad Company but in one on one there's no excuse.

Referring to things like spamming the shove in L4D, that is perfectly acceptable as it has to be timed to stop a special infected, even then if you're good you can get them anyway.

the thing is that much of the balancing in games is done post release. It's only then that developers can see how players interact and balance the game accordingly. For example, Valve added shove fatigue in L4D.

Overall I think it's fine but it depends on the game. Constant arguments about people not being allowed to play Oddjob in Goldeneye 007 were a major sources of frustration as a teenager.

 

[Azraellod]

i am perfectly fine with people taking cheap blows at me with broken charachters. at games i do play, i tend to be more about winning with style then just mindlessly shattering someone. doing that is just no fun to me. if i wanted to use a broken charachter, i would, but since i didnt want to, i have nothing to complain about.

however if it comes to exploiting glitches in the game, then screw it. the only things lower then people who exploit glitches are actual hackers.