Poll: Is it inaccurate or offensive to call Anime "Cartoons"

[goldendriger]

I wouldnt call an anime a cartoon for the same reason i wouldnt call rap music metal.

They're different, they have the same medium but they're different content.
When i say cartoon i refer to the likes of Tom and Jerry, which is the same with most people i know, things i used to watch as a toddler.
But if i let my toddler watch something like Death Note or Cowboy Bebop, id probably get some shifty looks if someone walked in.

Just because they're on a piece of paper shouldnt judge what we call them, or can we call full length CGI movies like Avatar video games?

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

 

[conzan]

inaccurate yes offensive hell no

 

[Semitendon]

Yes it is somewhat offensive. Technically, they refer to a similar medium, however, there are some obvious differences.

I would advise seperating the two ideas, since anyone who likes cartoons is going to be offended by lumping them in the same catagory as anime.

 

[GebGuy]

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet or if anyone thinks this will be relevant.
I noticed a few people brought up the argument that japanese cartoons are different to western cartoons because they deal with death, war, sexuality and a whole slew of a different adult situations.
The main reason for this is because, in japan, it is cheaper, by far, to produce an animated series than it is to produce a series with actors. This is one of the main reasons that anime have the huge range of genres that they do; where western societies would make the same show with real people, the japanese cut costs and draw it.
This has gone on to create the anime we know and love today.
The question of whether or not "anime" are cartoons is frivolous as they are both exactly the same medium. For ease of conversational use, anime is good to use as a definition for cartoons from japan. Apart from that, it doesn't matter. If you are offended by this, you probably need to get some new priorities in life.

 

[Pyro Paul]

animated cartoon, noun
: a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animated+cartoon?show=0&t=1299435683

So in short, yes. Its just a different style of cartoon than say, spongebob or the simpsons

So you're saying the orginal Star Wars is a cartoon?

how the Hell does his definition warrant THAT nonsensical responce?

a majority of the star wars film uses animatronics, miniture models, and animation effects to produce over 2/3rds of the content of the film. what with space battles, puppets, and light sabers.

by Merriam-websters, what i believe to be nonsensical and incorrect, definition... Sci-Fi movies are to be considered 'Cartoons' as they mostly 'made from a series of ... computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects...'

non-sensical responce to an over used incorrect definition.

 

[Pyro Paul]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

 

[Jonesy911]

I have a lot of friends who watch anime, some of them get angry at me when I refer Naruto and Bleach as 'cartoons' and say that I do this just because I personally dislike them. I'm told the phrase 'cartoon' is offensive because it "trivialises the depth and complexity of anime".

I'm not one to use this word often (more like barely at all), but it's so fitting for this situation:
WEEABOO ALERT! WEEABOO ALERT!

"the phrase 'cartoon' is offensive because it 'trivialises the depth and complexity of anime"
Wow, that's just reeks of pretenitious middle class Americans who aren't with the in-crowd (I would know, I'm not quite "socially " myself).

Sure, there are pieces of Japanese animation that are complex and have depth. And there are a lot of Western cartoons (at least in America) that are rather childish and don't really have any real merit for them beyond simple entertainment.

But that doesn't mean that there aren't pieces of anime that aren't mindless-drivel as well. Saying that something is high-minded and complex just because it came from a certain geographical region is pretty backasswards. The only reason why you'd see "cartoon" as an insult rather than the neutral label it is is because you bought into the "animation ghetto" that has had an incrediably strong influence upon American culture. People are told that cartoons are childish things (just like video games), so obviously there can't be any mature cartoons. Which is utter bullshit. Cartoons are simply a medium, nothing more. There are books with depth and complexity and there are picture books. This does not make books either "high-minded" or "brainless" in and of themselves.

So no, it isn't insulting to call "Anime" "cartoons". It's what they are, Japanese cartoons.

Actually they're working class English kids, but yeah they're definitely weeabos

 

[Pyro Paul]

animated cartoon
 
?noun
a motion picture consisting of a sequence of drawings, each so slightly different that when filmed and run through a projector the figures seem to move.

The dictionary says that anime are cartoons.

That definition is not for 'Animated Cartoons'
that is a definition for 'Cel Animation'

a Animated Cartoon is a simplistic exaggerated illistrated short animated film (7-15 minutes) with little plot or point.

cartoon itself is synonomous with short and simplistic.
such as the cartoon strips on news papers as they always are only 2-3 frames and often only presented in Black and white line drawings.

 

[Raye Gunn]

I see it as essentially the same thing as people insisting they read 'graphic novels' instead of comics, presumably because the word 'comic' or 'cartoon' carries with it the stigma of being for kids. Graphic novels are a type of comic, you're still reading comics if you read them, you're just reading them in a long format. Likewise, anime is a type of cartoon that happens to come from Japan, but it's still a cartoon. Calling it 'anime' helps clarify which type of cartoon you're talking about, but that's about it. I think it's silly to try and pretend they are not still cartoons, though. (and it's likewise silly to pretend that graphic novels are not comics)

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

 

[Custard_Angel]

Anime is just a fancy word for Japanese cartoons. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.

Pokemon with English overdubs has no trouble being labelled a cartoon, but in Japanese its anime.

Same thing.

 

[Kiju]

No, it is not. Anime is just animated characters in an animated world, doing things only animated things can do.

It's a cartoon, plain and simple, no matter what the fanboys say. I will, however, admit that a lot of the Animes out there are intended for teenagers and adults, so...there's that.

 

[Pyro Paul]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.

Have you got a source for Johnny Quest being referred to as "animated sci-fi" at the time of airing? Because it sounds more like something that fans would call it years later than something from the time, kind of like how Exosquad is now referred to as "The first American anime," even though at the time it originally aired, it was just an action cartoon on USA network.

P.S.: Wait a minute, both Scooby Doo and The Flintstones were in the half hour format as well, and I know that those were called Saturday morning cartoons. I call BS on the "animated sci-fi" line.

Edit: also, Disney, WB, and Hanna-Barbera. One of these things is not like the others. Disney didn't have its own block of cartoons until the late 80's, and the WB didn't exist until the early 90's. Hanna-Barbera, on the other hand, was making Saturday morning cartoons all the way back to the 60's. Disney and Warner Brothers may have had their old theatrical shorts airing on the same programming block as the Hanna-Barbera stuff, but those shorts were meant to air before a feature length film, while the Hanna-Barbera stuff was made with the half hour format in mind. Hanna-Barbera wasn't the only company doing this, by the way; Filmation made Star Trek: the Animated Series around the same time, and that was also a half-hour long Saturday morning cartoon. You're getting theatrical shorts confused with television cartoons.

Edit Edit: You do realize that Johnny Quest was made by Hanna-Barbera, right? Because your post suggests otherwise.

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.

You didn't catch my point, my point was that its a cartoon. If its in motion or not doesn't matter.
Drawn animation is listed under Cartoons, therefore its a cartoon.

Things can have multiple meanings you know

Whatever you want to call it, its in the very end a cartoon.

 

[Super Toast]

I'd say it's slightly incorrect, but far from offensive.

 

[Pyro Paul]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.

Have you got a source for Johnny Quest being referred to as "animated sci-fi" at the time of airing? Because it sounds more like something that fans would call it years later than something from the time, kind of like how Exosquad is now referred to as "The first American anime," even though at the time it originally aired, it was just an action cartoon on USA network.

P.S.: Wait a minute, both Scooby Doo and The Flintstones were in the half hour format as well, and I know that those were called Saturday morning cartoons. I call BS on the "animated sci-fi" line.

Except not...
Scooby Doo was introduced in 1969 as a midday show.
Flintstones was a 1960 Prime Time animated sitcom.
just like how Jonny Quest was a Prime Time animated sci-fi in 1964.

around mid 1970, long after the sindication of each, did these features find there way into the 'Saturday morning cartoon' line up... and what you probably remember watching was from the 80's or 90's.

of course, none of these where titled 'Cartoon' Flintstones was an animated Sitcom, Scooby Doo was an Animated Mystery, and Jonny Quest animated Sci-fi.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/jonny-quest/cast/202426

TV Guide calls it 'Animated Series' not cartoon.
compared to Looney Tunes being titled 'cartoon'

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/looney-tunes/cast/202762

 

[Pyro Paul]

DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.

You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*

You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.

oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.

You didn't catch my point, my point was that its a cartoon. If its in motion or not doesn't matter.
Drawn animation is listed under Cartoons, therefore its a cartoon.

Things can have multiple meanings you know

Whatever you want to call it, its in the very end a cartoon.

Drawn animation is listed under Traditional Animation.
Cartoons are a type of drawn animation.

cartoon in no way means 'Animation'

in the very end, you're still wrong.