Poll: Is it inaccurate or offensive to call Anime "Cartoons"

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Pokemon is an Anime, i class that as a Cartoon same as Digimon or DragonBall Z...however things like this

http://www.spawn.com/toys/spawn/series27/spawni131/images/series27_spawni131_concept_01_dp.jpg

Are clearly different...i know it's still Anime, but i would never call it a Cartoon

Actually, it's not an anime at all. If you look at the signature, it's a Todd McFarlane comic book -- you know, the guy who did Spawn. That thing came from somewhere in the west.

honestly any one who makes a fuss when you call an anime a cartoon needs to get a life. Anime is just Japan's word for cartoon. I've been a fan of asian cartoons from way back, when I first started watching them the movies were called manga, because manga entertainment was the only company importing them hence manga. Now if you do that the fan boys get all angry because apparently only the comics are called manga. Bet most of them don't even know where the term comes from.

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It's the Japanese word for comic books, just like "anime" is the Japanese word for animation. U.S. Manga was and still is an awesome distributor of Japanese animation, but it didn't invent the word.

Sigh, Alright I'll explain how we ended up calling them manga's in the west.

Firstly: manga is not Japanese for comic it translates as whimsical drawings and was originally a form of drawn entertainment that was around way before comics, so when comics came to Japan it seemed natural to call them manga's

2nd: I never said manga entertainment made up the term (learn to read).
What I said is at the time they were the only ones importing anime so to us in the west it seemed natural to call the movies manga's like how photocopies are called xerox's.

3rd: I'm right you're wrong I was a fan of anime back when the only way to get it was to order it direct from manga entertament, you simply could not buy it in stores. Another reason we called it manga, the damn magazines called it manga too. It's simply a fact that way back when the movies were also called manga in the west.

4th: I get that comics are called manga now, hell I never refer to animes as manga anymore but I'm not going to make a fuss if someone does.

5th: I've been a fan of anime for about 22 years now. Long before it was mainstream and was very hard to get, I remember every one calling them manga's I guessing you were still crapping you nappies back then.

There explained it, feel better now?

I'm not denying that people incorrectly called the animation Manga because of the company that distributed it. It actually makes a lot of sense -- I know Streamline pictures referred to their dubs as video comics, so it's not too far out to think that US Manga influenced a lot of people to call it Manga. But Manga is the word for comic book in Japan. It may mean "whimsical drawings" literally, but then so does "comic."

According to wikipedia, it has referred to cartoons (in the newspaper sense) since the 18th century, and it has referred to the modern form of Manga since the 19th century.

Etymology

The Japanese word manga, literally translated, means "whimsical drawings". The word first came into common usage in the late 18th century with the publication of such works as Santō Kyōden's picturebook Shiji no yukikai (1798), and in the early 19th century with such works as Aikawa Minwa's Manga hyakujo (1814) and the celebrated Hokusai Manga books (1814?1834) containing assorted drawings from the sketchbooks of the famous ukiyo-e artist Hokusai.[14] Rakuten Kitazawa (1876?1955) first used the word "manga" in the modern sense.[15]

 

[Ice Car]

Wow. Really? I find it quite annoying when people refer to anime as "cartoons". That is usually because they categorize anime as kiddy cartoons, or at least most of the people I come across.

 

[Pyro Paul]

"Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illustrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement"

Your essentially backing my point, i said Animation originated from cartoons and caricature - Its been known as Cartoons for a while now, Cartoon Network is still around.

Anime is Cartoons.

Cartoon is a word that can be traced back to the 1700's at earliest in Modello being an interchangable word for 'working drawing'

Animation can be traced back as early as 180 AD to the 'chao hua chk kuan ' or 'pipe that makes fantasies appear' which was a pipe that was placed over a lantern with a fan ontop which made the pipe spin projecting images painted on thin paper inside appear to move.

It is hard for animation to be based on something that Came After it...

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

"Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illustrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement"

Your essentially backing my point, i said Animation originated from cartoons and caricature - Its been known as Cartoons for a while now, Cartoon Network is still around.

Anime is Cartoons.

Cartoon is a word that can be traced back to the 1700's at earliest in Modello being an interchangable word for 'working drawing'

Animation can be traced back as early as 180 AD to the 'chao hua chk kuan ' or 'pipe that makes fantasies appear' which was a pipe that was placed over a lantern with a fan ontop which made the pipe spin projecting images painted on thin paper inside.

It is hard for animation to be based on something that Came After it...

Took some time for you to gather all those facts, sorry to burst your bubble sunshine but Cartoons/caricatures were around as far back as cavemen.
Just throw in the towel mate, you know you can't win this argument.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Okay, so it originally aired in prime time. Big deal, it was still a cartoon. If you can get me some promotional materials from the time period that refer to it as something other than a cartoon, I'll concede the point, but I don't know anybody who lived through that time period who has ever used the phrase; to them, they're all cartoons.

Edit: You're hung up on the still-image meaning of the word, as in "political cartoon" or "newspaper cartoon." The meaning of "cartoon," when used in reference to animation, has become much broader in the last 60 or 70 years.

Look at the Title Card.



do you see 'cartoon' in that?
hell, comb through the entire title sequence, i'm sure you can find it on you tube.
does any part of it say 'cartoon'?

Look at the Title card of 'Steamboat Willie'
[img src="http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID29240/images/Steamboat-willie-title2.jpg"]

the Title Card of 'Looney Tunes'
[img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/SLdJc57l2UI/AAAAAAAABYc/0KYjRjbZ8Z8/s400/1960s+LOONEY+TUNES+TITLE+CARD.jpg"]

the Title card of 'Merry Melodies'
[img src="http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/en/fixed/470/351/Merrie_Melodies_title_with_Foxy.jpg?format=jpg"]

The Title Card of 'Snagglepuss'
[img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/SWWhpAI28UI/AAAAAAAACb0/2NGVqs9mVq4/s400/SNAGGLEPUSS+TITLE+CARD.jpg"]


ya notice one re-occuring word?
Cartoon.

the opening title splash Identifies the content as a Cartoon.
but not jonny quest.

[img src="http://vixstar1314.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/250px-the_flintstones.jpg"]
nor does the flintstones.[/quote]

Care to tell me what they did call [I]Johnny Quest[/I] at the time? Because my parents were kids when it was on for the first time, and they certainly call it a cartoon. Forget the etymology here, or at least the very early forms of the words. In the usage that was common for the entire 20th century, as well as the usage that exists today, [I]Johnny Quest[/I] was a cartoon. It was an animation too, but that's a description of the medium; the set of frames that make up Ryu's Hadoken in a [I]Street Fighter[/I] game are an animation but not a cartoon. An episode of the [I]Street Fighter[/I] cartoon, however, is both.

 

[Grimsinger]

Its like calling me an "illustrator of graphic memoirs" instead of say, a "cartoonist", or "journal comic guy". Seriously, its just splitting hairs. The are, more or less, the same medium, I.E. both are sequential drawings presented at at least 24 frames per seconds, to give the illusion of movement. So yes, the are cartoons.

At least thats how i feel.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Inaccurate? Yes. Offensive? Well it depends on who you talk to. Me, I don't care a whole lot, but the really die hard anime fans, they'll probably get rather pissed about it.
The thing is that "cartoon" tends to be rather juvenile and generally lacking in substance. Anime tends to be have more variety and depth to it. To put it another way, when someone says "cartoon" I think of something like Looney Tunes, but if someone says "anime" I think of something like Dragon Ball or Full Metal Alchemist. Now Looney Tunes is not the same as Dragon Ball or FMA.

 

[Pyro Paul]

"Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illustrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement"

Your essentially backing my point, i said Animation originated from cartoons and caricature - Its been known as Cartoons for a while now, Cartoon Network is still around.

Anime is Cartoons.

Cartoon is a word that can be traced back to the 1700's at earliest in Modello being an interchangable word for 'working drawing'

Animation can be traced back as early as 180 AD to the 'chao hua chk kuan ' or 'pipe that makes fantasies appear' which was a pipe that was placed over a lantern with a fan ontop which made the pipe spin projecting images painted on thin paper inside.

It is hard for animation to be based on something that Came After it...

Took some time for you to gather all those facts, sorry to burst your bubble sunshine but Cartoons/caricatures were around as far back as cavemen.
Just throw in the towel mate, you know you can't win this argument.

to burst your bubble, those are acctually animations.

in the cultures that did such things that had a spoken and written language refered to these hall ways which where lined with carvings and paintings which attempted to capture motion as 'Pathway of Life'

the word animation acctually derives itself from the word 'Life' (animus, latin for 'life')

we can imagine that priests would leads processions through these hallways, and as the light provided by the torches would illuminate only the immediate carvings and paintings. Thus creating the illusion that as one moved on, the walls changed.


Cartoon on the other hand.
Cartoon is based off of the french word 'Cartone' or 'heavy paper' which is what the artists drew on. this word can be traced back to its earliest usage in 1670 AD.

so... again...
since Animations predate Cartoons, how can it be based on something that comes after it?

 

[thylasos]

Calling an "anime" a cartoon is like calling rugby "cricket". Sure, they're both sports but they're rather different. Bottomline, it's stupid and inaccurate. It can be offensive depending on how much of an anime fanatic the person next to you is

No, calling "anime" a cartoon is like calling football "soccer". It all comes down to a difference in regional titles. Bottomline, it's inaccurate to think that they're totally different things and if someone is offended by it they're either ignorant or overy zealous about it.

More... baseball and rounders, I'd say.

 

[thahat]

First of all, backstory: I have a lot of friends who watch anime, some of them get angry at me when I refer Naruto and Bleach as 'cartoons' and say that I do this just because I personally dislike them. I'm told the phrase 'cartoon' is offensive because it "trivialises the depth and complexity of anime". I disagree.

Cartoons have brought us classics such as Rocco's modern life, Spongebob squarepants, Ed Edd 'n' Eddy, Cow and Chicken and many more. If anything I would consider it a compliment to be compared to such a great medium of entertainment.

So I put it to the escapist community, is there anything wrong with calling anime "cartoons"?

....i should say, your examples would actualy be the things that prove your entire standpoint wrong XD... and this is anoying ,because i support your standpoint XD lol.

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

I would say cartoons and anime are both sub sections of animation in general.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Cartoon is a word that can be traced back to the 1700's at earliest in Modello being an interchangable word for 'working drawing'

Animation can be traced back as early as 180 AD to the 'chao hua chk kuan ' or 'pipe that makes fantasies appear' which was a pipe that was placed over a lantern with a fan ontop which made the pipe spin projecting images painted on thin paper inside appear to move.

It is hard for animation to be based on something that Came After it...

Hate to break it to you buddy but they are just two different words that mean the exact same thing. Its like what the other guy said its basically down to geographic differences. In north america we call soccer football and in europe they call soccer soccer. They are both the exact same but they are called something different.

... hate to break it to you...

but here in america, we call 'soccer' soccer.
Every where else in the world calls it 'FootBall'

why should i consider your in put if you can't even get that right?

Do you even know Why they call it 'Soccer' here in America, Canada, and Australia while it is 'football' in Europe and Africa?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

"Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illustrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement"

Your essentially backing my point, i said Animation originated from cartoons and caricature - Its been known as Cartoons for a while now, Cartoon Network is still around.

Anime is Cartoons.

Cartoon is a word that can be traced back to the 1700's at earliest in Modello being an interchangable word for 'working drawing'

Animation can be traced back as early as 180 AD to the 'chao hua chk kuan ' or 'pipe that makes fantasies appear' which was a pipe that was placed over a lantern with a fan ontop which made the pipe spin projecting images painted on thin paper inside.

It is hard for animation to be based on something that Came After it...

Took some time for you to gather all those facts, sorry to burst your bubble sunshine but Cartoons/caricatures were around as far back as cavemen.
Just throw in the towel mate, you know you can't win this argument.

to burst your bubble, those are acctually animations.

in the cultures that did such things that had a spoken and written language refered to these hall ways which where lined with carvings and paintings which attempted to capture motion as 'Pathway of Life'

the word animation acctually derives itself from the word 'Life' (animus, latin for 'life')

we can imagine that priests would leads processions through these hallways, and as the light provided by the torches would illuminate only the immediate carvings and paintings. Thus creating the illusion that as one moved on, the walls changed.


Cartoon on the other hand.
Cartoon is based off of the french word 'Cartone' or 'heavy paper' which is what the artists drew on. this word can be traced back to its earliest usage in 1670 AD.

so... again...
since Animations predate Cartoons, how can it be based on something that comes after it?

Forget which word came first. What matters is what the words mean in modern usage, which you ignore every time you go back to the original definition of the word, the newest of which is over 300 years old. Etymology can give you an idea of where a word came from, and why we use it for what we use it today, but it's not going to give you the exact definition of a modern word. Case in point, the guy who is saying that "Manga" literally means "Whimsical Drawings," and therefore isn't the Japanese word for "comic books" -- ignoring, of course, that the word "comic" in "comic book" contains a literal meaning of humorous, which is very close to the Japanese whimsical. For another example, Pontifex Maximus literally means "chief bridge builder" in Latin, but in actual Roman usage it was simply the title of the high priest of Jupiter, and meant that he spoke to and for the gods. The Catholic Pope has the same title today, and it still means that he still speaks as God's voice on Earth. It does not mean that he literally goes around building bridges.

 

[Pyro Paul]

what the word means in modern usage is 'Short, simple, and unrefined'

the problem is every one else is appending on additional terms which don't belong, which is why you need to bring up history and etymology.

 

[Grimlock Fett]

I'm the only person in my immediate circle of friends who watches anime so to save time I say "I was watching my cartoons"! I should perhaps explain that its the same (some times) as the Simpsons or family guy. I don't imagine my friends could handle something like Deathnote, hellsing or gantz! They have a stereo typed view of what a "cartoon" is! They're thinking tom and Jerry or rugrats! Their loss! *dies alone*

but OT I don't think its offensive. I think Its ignorant to have such a narrow minded view of cartoons/animation/anime as being for children when companies like pixar are loved by people young and old!!

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

An Anime IS A CARTOON. It is a Japanese cartoon. Pure and simple.

This.

I still call it Anime when it is from Japan or done in Japanese style and cartoons when it is done in the West or has a western style.

For example Spongebob id call a cartoon, but I'd call Avatar American Anime, since it follows a mostly Japanese style of animation.

But they are all just different words to mean the same thing.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

what the word means in modern usage is 'Short, simple, and unrefined'

the problem is every one else is appending on additional terms which don't belong, which is why you need to bring up history and etymology.

Got a source for that? Otherwise, quit trolling. You're not directly breaking any of the rules, but you are most definitely being a highly successful troll. I'm done responding to you, because you aren't going to change your opinion. You'd have to be arguing from a position of logic to do that.

Spoiler: and for anyone who is still arguing with this guy, remember

 

[dancinginfernal]

Anime is a genre of cartoons.

It is very accurate, however I call it anime when I speak of it.