Poll: Is it inaccurate or offensive to call Anime "Cartoons"

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Owyn_Merrilin

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Pyro Paul said:
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DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.
You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*
You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.
oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.
Have you got a source for Johnny Quest being referred to as "animated sci-fi" at the time of airing? Because it sounds more like something that fans would call it years later than something from the time, kind of like how Exosquad is now referred to as "The first American anime," even though at the time it originally aired, it was just an action cartoon on USA network.

P.S.: Wait a minute, both Scooby Doo and The Flintstones were in the half hour format as well, and I know that those were called Saturday morning cartoons. I call BS on the "animated sci-fi" line.
Except not...
Scooby Doo was introduced in 1969 as a midday show.
Flintstones was a 1960 Prime Time animated sitcom.
just like how Jonny Quest was a Prime Time animated sci-fi in 1964.

around mid 1970, long after the sindication of each, did these features find there way into the 'Saturday morning cartoon' line up... and what you probably remember watching was from the 80's or 90's.

of course, none of these where titled 'Cartoon' Flintstones was an animated Sitcom, Scooby Doo was an Animated Mystery, and Jonny Quest animated Sci-fi.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/jonny-quest/cast/202426

TV Guide calls it 'Animated Series' not cartoon.
compared to Looney Tunes being titled 'cartoon'

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/looney-tunes/cast/202762
Okay, so it originally aired in prime time. Big deal, it was still a cartoon. If you can get me some promotional materials from the time period that refer to it as something other than a cartoon, I'll concede the point, but I don't know anybody who lived through that time period who has ever used the phrase; to them, they're all cartoons.

Edit: You're hung up on the still-image meaning of the word, as in "political cartoon" or "newspaper cartoon." The meaning of "cartoon," when used in reference to animation, has become much broader in the last 60 or 70 years.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
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DEFINITION

A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.

So no, its a cartoon...Nothing special.
Real life beats it by a mile.
You can not use the word to Define itself.

the basic definition of Animated Cartoon is litterally 'A Cartoon that is Animated'
as 'Adjective + noun' word combiniations are always best defined 'Noun that is Adjective.'
this is because the Adjective is a modifer of the noun.

Wet Dog = Dog that is Wet.
Little Girl = Girl that is little.
Short letter = Letter that is short.

so if you read into the definition.

A Cartoon is an 'Animated Cartoon'.
An Animated Cartoon is a cartoon that is Animated.
so a Cartoon is a Cartoon. *derp*
You didn't catch my point dear sir, its animation.
Animation is in the core roots a form of drawing/sketching - Caricature/Cartoon etc...

Simply included that material to back up my very basic claim.
That this form of animation is under the category "Cartoons".

Yet i understand that some feel its a degrading word, for the same reasons people are strict at calling "Graphic Novels" just that.
Avoiding the word Cartoon makes it seem all the more mature, when infact its a Cartoon.

But hey, i don't think any wrong of Cartoons.
I call my graphic novels cartoons, cause i'm secure in my state of mind and I'm not afraid to be mistaken as a sissy.
oh i caught your point. it is just very wrong.
Cartoon is not a definition of animation.

it never has been, nor will it ever be.

You see, Cartoons by their basic definiton has always been short, simplistic, and unrefined drawings. Sketches, Gestures, and setups from renaissance era initial drawings designed to be transfers for more elaborate works of art on more difficult mediums. (frescos, stain glassed windows, mosaiacs, etc.)

through the ages it has always held the one basic definition. Short.

the Orginal cartoon 'Steamboat Willie' was a short animation.
Every 'cartoon' Disney and Warner Brothers made where all Short being 7-15 minutes long at most. When ever these animations grew longer they where no longer cartoons but 'animations'.

Jonny Quest, for instance, was featured as full length episodes filling a 30 minute slot. It was very diffrent then the running 'saterday morning cartoon' line ups that Disney, WB, and hanna-barbra had as those shows where usually 30 minute shows comprised of 2-3 cartoons. Because of its longer length and more refined story Jonny Quest was identified as 'Animated Sci-fi' rather than 'Cartoon'.

this can further be seen with Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, and Lion King. None of these films where considered 'Cartoons'. Infact their title cards identify them as 'Animated Films'.
You didn't catch my point, my point was that its a cartoon. If its in motion or not doesn't matter.
Drawn animation is listed under Cartoons, therefore its a cartoon.

Things can have multiple meanings you know ;)

Whatever you want to call it, its in the very end a cartoon.
Drawn animation is listed under Traditional Animation.
Cartoons are a type of drawn animation.

cartoon in no way means 'Animation'

in the very end, you're still wrong.
Animated Cartoon is listed under Cartoon/Cartoons

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
 

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Bender Rodriguez said:
Animated Cartoon is listed under Cartoon/Cartoons

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
You can Not use a word to Identify the Same Word.
The definition is Incorrect.
you're point is Null and Void
Please try again.
 

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well I think they technically are cartoons but there is such a vast difference between the too it would be like call a tank a car ok they are both motorized vehicles but one has a big as gun and rolls on tracks rather than wheels.
 

Bender Rodriguez

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Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
Animated Cartoon is listed under Cartoon/Cartoons

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
You can Not use a word to Identify the Same Word.
The definition is Incorrect.
you're point is Null and Void
Please try again.
Honestly, do you get a kick out of nitpicking?
Besides i don't get what you are nitpicking at.

I stand by my point which is.
Animation is a form of cartoons, it originated on the basis of cartoon and caricature therefore should and is filed under the category Cartoons.

Anime...which is Japanese Cartoons.....might be called anime....but its essentially a cartoon.

Find someone else to nitpick mate.
 

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Okay, so it originally aired in prime time. Big deal, it was still a cartoon. If you can get me some promotional materials from the time period that refer to it as something other than a cartoon, I'll concede the point, but I don't know anybody who lived through that time period who has ever used the phrase; to them, they're all cartoons.

Edit: You're hung up on the still-image meaning of the word, as in "political cartoon" or "newspaper cartoon." The meaning of "cartoon," when used in reference to animation, has become much broader in the last 60 or 70 years.
Look at the Title Card.



do you see 'cartoon' in that?
hell, comb through the entire title sequence, i'm sure you can find it on you tube.
does any part of it say 'cartoon'?

Look at the Title card of 'Steamboat Willie'
[img src="http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID29240/images/Steamboat-willie-title2.jpg"]

the Title Card of 'Looney Tunes'
[img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/SLdJc57l2UI/AAAAAAAABYc/0KYjRjbZ8Z8/s400/1960s+LOONEY+TUNES+TITLE+CARD.jpg"]

the Title card of 'Merry Melodies'
[img src="http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/en/fixed/470/351/Merrie_Melodies_title_with_Foxy.jpg?format=jpg"]

The Title Card of 'Snagglepuss'
[img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/SWWhpAI28UI/AAAAAAAACb0/2NGVqs9mVq4/s400/SNAGGLEPUSS+TITLE+CARD.jpg"]


ya notice one re-occuring word?
Cartoon.

the opening title splash Identifies the content as a Cartoon.
but not jonny quest.

[img src="http://vixstar1314.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/250px-the_flintstones.jpg"]
nor does the flintstones.
 

Pyro Paul

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Bender Rodriguez said:
Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
Animated Cartoon is listed under Cartoon/Cartoons

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
You can Not use a word to Identify the Same Word.
The definition is Incorrect.
you're point is Null and Void
Please try again.
Honestly, do you get a kick out of nitpicking?
Besides i don't get what you are nitpicking at.

I stand by my point which is.
Animation is a form of cartoons, it originated on the basis of cartoon and caricature therefore should and is filed under the category Cartoons.

Anime...which is Japanese Cartoons.....might be called anime....but its essentially a cartoon.

Find someone else to nitpick mate.
nitpicking at the fact that you're wrong.

Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illistrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement

See Phenakistoscope.




that, is not a cartoon.
it is a series of illistrations on a disk that is spun.
it is an Animation.
 

Bender Rodriguez

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Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
Pyro Paul said:
Bender Rodriguez said:
Animated Cartoon is listed under Cartoon/Cartoons

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon
You can Not use a word to Identify the Same Word.
The definition is Incorrect.
you're point is Null and Void
Please try again.
Honestly, do you get a kick out of nitpicking?
Besides i don't get what you are nitpicking at.

I stand by my point which is.
Animation is a form of cartoons, it originated on the basis of cartoon and caricature therefore should and is filed under the category Cartoons.

Anime...which is Japanese Cartoons.....might be called anime....but its essentially a cartoon.

Find someone else to nitpick mate.
nitpicking at the fact that you're wrong.

Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illistrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement

that, is not a cartoon.
it is a series of illistrations on a disk that is spun.
it is an Animation.
"Drawn Animation is the form of a sequence of illustrations with small changes so that when played in quick succession creates the illusion of movement"

Your essentially backing my point, i said Animation originated from cartoons and caricature - Its been known as Cartoons for a while now, Cartoon Network is still around.

Anime is Cartoons.
 

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Anime is what Animation is called in japan, but yes, those two images are basically the same (at least until the term Comic was redubbed into Graphic Novel"
 

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LawlessSquirrel said:
I wouldn't call them cartoons, for the same reason I wouldn't call a poetry book a novel. They're delivered in the same medium, but they're different and meant to appeal to different audiences. Cartoons are great, anime is great, it's just that they're different, and that's why they have different names.

So I'd call it ignorant at worst, but offensive? That may be a bit too sensitive.
But a novel has a plot and chapters and stuff while a poetry book is simply a collection of poems. Anime, on the other hand, is a variation of a cartoon.
 

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Pokemon is an Anime, i class that as a Cartoon same as Digimon or DragonBall Z...however things like this

bahumat42 said:
http://www.spawn.com/toys/spawn/series27/spawni131/images/series27_spawni131_concept_01_dp.jpg
Are clearly different...i know it's still Anime, but i would never call it a Cartoon
 

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Ewyx said:
I'd say anime is a specific genre of cartoons.
Every anime is a cartoon but not every cartoon is an anime. Sounds good to me.

OT: I have been know to call anime cartoons to people that are not into the medium. It is an easier explanation than saying anime and then explaining that anime are cartoons from Japan. And I do believe that some of these can be enjoyed by children, never really met an adult that was all about Hamtaro (I'm sure they exist). And I've loved Gundam wing and DBZ from preteen years and continue to enjoy them. Thats my counter argument for people saying they are cartoons for adults.
 

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Well i don't watch anime often but i like it and have a few friends who like it aswell.
I call it anime to people who know it. I also prefer that name (for somereason i just love to say it) but when im with people who don't know what Anime is i tell them that it's basically Cartoons done with more artistic visuals... and from the lovely people in japan.

I don't get why it would be offensive by any stretch of my imagination.
 

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It's 2 different words for the same thing, i wouldn't mind at all. There are adult and children themes in both, so i would disagree with your friends.
 

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If they were "offended" as you say, it was probably due to defending/taking pride in their hobby and wanting to better share the nuances of it that labelling it "merely a cartoon" glosses over.

I think one of the problems is that ?Anime? is a ready-used term that can help distinguish from the mindset of ?cartoons?. So why not use it? To refuse is like refusing to acknowledge that you can differentiate between a ?Van? and a ?Car?, they?re subtly different but essentially the same form of construction.

One of the problems is that people who don?t watch Anime as a hobby often have a very narrow view of it. They don?t take the time to study the industry, or are otherwise willing to be exposed to the knowledge, as it doesn?t interest them. Not everyone is like that but it leads to some assumptions.

"Anime" is not just about being an Animation to the Japanese. It?s an entire cultural industry and process that does cause a noticeable effect on the kinds of stories produced, compared to the western industry which is far more relaxed.

During the creation of a Manga/Anime story, it comes packaged with additional genres which will set the kind of story it may be by defining a target audience. Such genres are: Shonen, Shojo, Kodomo, Seinen, etc... Which target the typical tastes of different genders and age groups.

These are, of course, then in addition to genres such as Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Slice of Life, etc... And add categorical information to help you filter searches to something you might better enjoy.

One prevailing assumption with Anime, that I?ve come across, is due to most of the ?Anime? people saw growing up, on the TV before school, most probably fell into the Shonen genre exclusively. Which means it was aimed at young boys who're more into mindless action and progressively-stronger-battle stories (where there is always a bigger bad guy than the last).
Such examples are: Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh, Naruto, One Piece, etc... Alternatively there might be some Shojo, aimed at younger girls, but I don?t remember much of this.

People then form assumptions around these few examples and assume it speaks for "Anime" in general, because that?s all they?ve known, and so they then associate it with children when they grow out of such stories.

Another assumption is that all anime are long-running serializations: That they all have 200+ episodes like the above examples. A large majority of Anime though are around the ~25 episode mark, with many at ~13 episodes and a few at ~50. Those being entire, planned out stories that have a beginning, middle, and conclusion. Not a mindless assembly of continued contrivances. This is because a large majority of Anime start out as Manga, and have to essentially pass popularity (i.e. be good enough) to warrant an animated adaptation. Many Western Cartoons simply present a pilot episode and make episodes/seasons up as they go along, trying to cater to audience tastes at the time rather than a story that's liked fromt he start.

They acknowledge there are likely the occasional serious "gems" out there that deal with more complex storylines, but insist that so do western cartoons. The problem is they draw parallels where culturally there isn?t a direct connection. Most complex western cartoons are supplementary to an established franchise, or are a single movie, and are pretty limited. There are exceptions, such as Gargoyles, but they are by no means a popular market.

With Anime there is a whole genre or more to pick from; defined Anime that was written with a more intellectual, philosophical, or otherwise serious audience in mind, and doesn?t consider children whatsoever. Seinen is usually a good example of this.

Shows like Ghost in the Shell and Serial Experiments Lain are in no way comparable to shows like Beyblades and Bakumon, and so they?re defined separately.

It?s a hectic market too, and so there is more pressure for quality and creativity on Japanese Anime Writers than on Western Cartoon Writers, meaning there is often a stronger emphasis on story quality as a show is far more likely to be axed for being uninteresting if it?s not.

This approach to creation of Anime, with a broader market which is served sufficiently in most areas (compared to the west?s focus on children with shows such as Rocko?s Modern Life, Spongebob Squarepants, Catdog, Angry Beavers, etc...) means that it has an entire collection of content that you?ll never find in a western cartoon. When people say ?there?s an Anime for anybody? they usually mean that, so long as you?re open to watching the medium, there is most likely a story out there that specifically leaves a positive impression on you.

This is why people find the term ?Anime? useful, because it describes a different industry with a much different approach to storytelling than the western one. To abandon that term then abandons ?Seinen? and ?Shonen?, which is like abandoning ?Children?s Literature? and ?Adult?s Literature? simply because you don?t care for the distinction.

When ?Cartoons? develop a significant enough market in other age groups to warrant entire sub-genres which define age groups that shows are marketed at, then it might be a little more directly comparable. Until then though, ?Cartoons? are most often compared to ?Shonen/Shojo? with only a few, rare, outlying ones that appeal exclusively to more mature audiences; whilst ?Anime? caters to all. Also a few other, more minor factors, such as the humour/cultural themes being predominantly Japanese, and the artstyle often Manga. Those last bits aren't what defines "Anime" though, it's the different approach and resulting different content that does.

This is why I think it?s dismissive to lump ?Western Cartoons? and ?Anime? together simply under ?Cartoons? on the basis that they?re both ?Drawn Animation? and thus directly comparable. It just ignores the deeper industry behind everything.
 

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well I think they technically are cartoons but there is such a vast difference between the too it would be like call a tank a car ok they are both motorized vehicles but one has a big as gun and rolls on tracks rather than wheels.
It would be more akin to comparing a PZVI Tiger to the M4 Sherman. Sure, one's much more refined and intricately designed, with the other being cheaper/faster to make, with different intentions for each (in this case it's survivability and gun power Vs "fill the firld with tanks and more tanks" attitude) but they're both essentially Tanks.

Sure, you can say Anime is more intricate and refined, with deeper storylines and better(more effort put into) characterisation, but this doesn't stop it being Animated Drawings.
Same as a cartoon.
Both are Animated Drawings.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animation
Imparting motion or activity.

The reason people don't like the words being interchanged has more to do with intent- a large amount of "anime" are directed at teens/older, where many (if not most) western cartoons are aimed at children. The fans don't like their more "mature" cartoons being "tarred with the same brush" so to speak, as the Looney Toons or Flintstones.
That, I would guess, is why people get offended when you confuse the two.

I find it more fun outright mocking the more terrible "westernised" anime, because the kind of person who'll stick up for a genre regardless of the awfulness of a particular example, really needs to be taken down a peg.
For the British out there, try pronouncing the Z in Dragonball Z as "Zed" instead of "Zee" in front of any anime fans you know.
Watch the rage climb >:D
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
RevRaptor said:
honestly any one who makes a fuss when you call an anime a cartoon needs to get a life. Anime is just Japan's word for cartoon. I've been a fan of asian cartoons from way back, when I first started watching them the movies were called manga, because manga entertainment was the only company importing them hence manga. Now if you do that the fan boys get all angry because apparently only the comics are called manga. Bet most of them don't even know where the term comes from.
?

It's the Japanese word for comic books, just like "anime" is the Japanese word for animation. U.S. Manga was and still is an awesome distributor of Japanese animation, but it didn't invent the word.
Sigh, Alright I'll explain how we ended up calling them manga's in the west.

Firstly: manga is not Japanese for comic it translates as whimsical drawings and was originally a form of drawn entertainment that was around way before comics, so when comics came to Japan it seemed natural to call them manga's

2nd: I never said manga entertainment made up the term (learn to read).
What I said is at the time they were the only ones importing anime so to us in the west it seemed natural to call the movies manga's like how photocopies are called xerox's.

3rd: I'm right you're wrong I was a fan of anime back when the only way to get it was to order it direct from manga entertament, you simply could not buy it in stores. Another reason we called it manga, the damn magazines called it manga too. It's simply a fact that way back when the movies were also called manga in the west.

4th: I get that comics are called manga now, hell I never refer to animes as manga anymore but I'm not going to make a fuss if someone does.

5th: I've been a fan of anime for about 22 years now. Long before it was mainstream and was very hard to get, I remember every one calling them manga's I guessing you were still crapping you nappies back then.

There explained it, feel better now?
 

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Cartoon - made in the US(usually)
Anime - made in Japan(usually)

Calling an "anime" a cartoon is like calling rugby "cricket". Sure, they're both sports but they're rather different. Bottomline, it's stupid and inaccurate. It can be offensive depending on how much of an anime fanatic the person next to you is
 

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Galad said:
Calling an "anime" a cartoon is like calling rugby "cricket". Sure, they're both sports but they're rather different. Bottomline, it's stupid and inaccurate. It can be offensive depending on how much of an anime fanatic the person next to you is
No, calling "anime" a cartoon is like calling football "soccer". It all comes down to a difference in regional titles. Bottomline, it's inaccurate to think that they're totally different things and if someone is offended by it they're either ignorant or overy zealous about it.
 

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Shadrouge said:
If they were "offended" as you say, it was probably due to defending/taking pride in their hobby and wanting to better share the nuances of it that labelling it "merely a cartoon" glosses over.

I think one of the problems is that ?Anime? is a ready-used term that can help distinguish from the mindset of ?cartoons?. So why not use it? To refuse is like refusing to acknowledge that you can differentiate between a ?Van? and a ?Car?, they?re subtly different but essentially the same form of construction.

One of the problems is that people who don?t watch Anime as a hobby often have a very narrow view of it. They don?t take the time to study the industry, or are otherwise willing to be exposed to the knowledge, as it doesn?t interest them. Not everyone is like that but it leads to some assumptions.

"Anime" is not just about being an Animation to the Japanese. It?s an entire cultural industry and process that does cause a noticeable effect on the kinds of stories produced, compared to the western industry which is far more relaxed.

During the creation of a Manga/Anime story, it comes packaged with additional genres which will set the kind of story it may be by defining a target audience. Such genres are: Shonen, Shojo, Kodomo, Seinen, etc... Which target the typical tastes of different genders and age groups.

These are, of course, then in addition to genres such as Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Slice of Life, etc... And add categorical information to help you filter searches to something you might better enjoy.

One prevailing assumption with Anime, that I?ve come across, is due to most of the ?Anime? people saw growing up, on the TV before school, most probably fell into the Shonen genre exclusively. Which means it was aimed at young boys who're more into mindless action and progressively-stronger-battle stories (where there is always a bigger bad guy than the last).
Such examples are: Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh, Naruto, One Piece, etc... Alternatively there might be some Shojo, aimed at younger girls, but I don?t remember much of this.

People then form assumptions around these few examples and assume it speaks for "Anime" in general, because that?s all they?ve known, and so they then associate it with children when they grow out of such stories.

Another assumption is that all anime are long-running serializations: That they all have 200+ episodes like the above examples. A large majority of Anime though are around the ~25 episode mark, with many at ~13 episodes and a few at ~50. Those being entire, planned out stories that have a beginning, middle, and conclusion. Not a mindless assembly of continued contrivances. This is because a large majority of Anime start out as Manga, and have to essentially pass popularity (i.e. be good enough) to warrant an animated adaptation. Many Western Cartoons simply present a pilot episode and make episodes/seasons up as they go along, trying to cater to audience tastes at the time rather than a story that's liked fromt he start.

They acknowledge there are likely the occasional serious "gems" out there that deal with more complex storylines, but insist that so do western cartoons. The problem is they draw parallels where culturally there isn?t a direct connection. Most complex western cartoons are supplementary to an established franchise, or are a single movie, and are pretty limited. There are exceptions, such as Gargoyles, but they are by no means a popular market.

With Anime there is a whole genre or more to pick from; defined Anime that was written with a more intellectual, philosophical, or otherwise serious audience in mind, and doesn?t consider children whatsoever. Seinen is usually a good example of this.

Shows like Ghost in the Shell and Serial Experiments Lain are in no way comparable to shows like Beyblades and Bakumon, and so they?re defined separately.

It?s a hectic market too, and so there is more pressure for quality and creativity on Japanese Anime Writers than on Western Cartoon Writers, meaning there is often a stronger emphasis on story quality as a show is far more likely to be axed for being uninteresting if it?s not.

This approach to creation of Anime, with a broader market which is served sufficiently in most areas (compared to the west?s focus on children with shows such as Rocko?s Modern Life, Spongebob Squarepants, Catdog, Angry Beavers, etc...) means that it has an entire collection of content that you?ll never find in a western cartoon. When people say ?there?s an Anime for anybody? they usually mean that, so long as you?re open to watching the medium, there is most likely a story out there that specifically leaves a positive impression on you.

This is why people find the term ?Anime? useful, because it describes a different industry with a much different approach to storytelling than the western one. To abandon that term then abandons ?Seinen? and ?Shonen?, which is like abandoning ?Children?s Literature? and ?Adult?s Literature? simply because you don?t care for the distinction.

When ?Cartoons? develop a significant enough market in other age groups to warrant entire sub-genres which define age groups that shows are marketed at, then it might be a little more directly comparable. Until then though, ?Cartoons? are most often compared to ?Shonen/Shojo? with only a few, rare, outlying ones that appeal exclusively to more mature audiences; whilst ?Anime? caters to all. Also a few other, more minor factors, such as the humour/cultural themes being predominantly Japanese, and the artstyle often Manga. Those last bits aren't what defines "Anime" though, it's the different approach and resulting different content that does.

This is why I think it?s dismissive to lump ?Western Cartoons? and ?Anime? together simply under ?Cartoons? on the basis that they?re both ?Drawn Animation? and thus directly comparable. It just ignores the deeper industry behind everything.
Wow, it took 12 pages but this is the most definitive and fairest response in the entire thread.

I congratulate you sir, on an awesome post! May at least one of these judgemental pricks dismissive douchebags pay attention to it and realise that it is in fact possible to be both knowledgable and passionate about anime without the retarded need to be labelled a weeaboo for their trouble...

I would say welcome to the escapist but it seems you've been here since it was created 6 years ago!?