Poll: Is it inaccurate or offensive to call Anime "Cartoons"
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In response to you question "is final fantasy : spirits within a "cartoon"? or advent children? how about the dead space movies?". Yes. Yes they are.witheringsanity said:
I never argued that spongebob, rocco, and cow and chicken were deep and complex. I just said they were awesome
EDIT: Also don't assume I'm not a fan of anime (your last paragraph). I thought my avatar was a pretty good clue as to how I feel about anime.
Also (again), I'm sure you've heard it before but fix your whole your/you're situation. It's confusing to read :S
I'm not one to use this word often (more like barely at all), but it's so fitting for this situation:Jonesy911 said:
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"the phrase 'cartoon' is offensive because it 'trivialises the depth and complexity of anime"
Wow, that's just reeks of pretenitious middle class Americans who aren't with the in-crowd (I would know, I'm not quite "socially " myself).
Sure, there are pieces of Japanese animation that are complex and have depth. And there are a lot of Western cartoons (at least in America) that are rather childish and don't really have any real merit for them beyond simple entertainment.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't pieces of anime that aren't mindless-drivel as well. Saying that something is high-minded and complex just because it came from a certain geographical region is pretty backasswards. The only reason why you'd see "cartoon" as an insult rather than the neutral label it is is because you bought into the "animation ghetto" that has had an incrediably strong influence upon American culture. People are told that cartoons are childish things (just like video games), so obviously there can't be any mature cartoons. Which is utter bullshit. Cartoons are simply a medium, nothing more. There are books with depth and complexity and there are picture books. This does not make books either "high-minded" or "brainless" in and of themselves.
So no, it isn't insulting to call "Anime" "cartoons". It's what they are, Japanese cartoons.
I;m not saying animation is a cartoon, im sayign thats what its called for live action...the only movie i'd say that was a cartoon in the way youre trying to put it is Avatar, cause that movie is so HEAVY with animation compared to star wars.ZiggyE said:
seen it before, but the fact remains that you can't match the depth that you find in an anime with a "western" cartoon. Why? because western cartoons are individual stories in each episode, whereas anime takes place over dozens, maybe hundreds of 20 minute episodes which are all related. Also, peace on earth is a ridiculously overdone topic in anime(unrelated observation) It's in like every gundam, code geass, ect.lightningmagurn said:
Anime is just a cartoon, tis all.
I still call it anime, as it's usualy more of a sub-genre of cartoons. But eh.
I mean, Avatar the Last Airbender's a cartoon and it's on the same level as anime in quality of story, characters and portrayal of people with more properly shaped heads and 5 fingers.
I still call it anime, as it's usualy more of a sub-genre of cartoons. But eh.
I mean, Avatar the Last Airbender's a cartoon and it's on the same level as anime in quality of story, characters and portrayal of people with more properly shaped heads and 5 fingers.
To those who say anime should not be classified as cartoons, then what is anime exactly if it is not a cartoon? I mean is't anime just Japanese animation, just like what people call cartoons is Western animation? Is the only difference that it's mainly from Japan?
animated cartoon
 
?noun
a motion picture consisting of a sequence of drawings, each so slightly different that when filmed and run through a projector the figures seem to move.
The dictionary says that anime are cartoons.
 
?noun
a motion picture consisting of a sequence of drawings, each so slightly different that when filmed and run through a projector the figures seem to move.
The dictionary says that anime are cartoons.
I don't really think it's offensive. Don't forget, one of the best cartoons of recent years was Avatar, and that had a complex plot, with evolving characters and a rich, detailed world.
Besides, Anime is short for animation. US cartoons and japanese cartoons may be titled differently, but they're both hand-drawn animations, thus technically cartoons.
Anime is just lucky because it has it's own name based on the overall style it's drawn in and it's origin.
Besides, Anime is short for animation. US cartoons and japanese cartoons may be titled differently, but they're both hand-drawn animations, thus technically cartoons.
Anime is just lucky because it has it's own name based on the overall style it's drawn in and it's origin.
Only to the hyper-sensitive people who really think that there's a difference. It's a hand drawn animated thingy, and there's no point in pretending otherwise. 'Anime' isn't anything more than a type of cartoon, and it really seems silly to pretend otherwise. That said, because it is a distinct type of cartoon, I do tend to call it that.
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When people say 'cartoon' they are generally talking about non-Japanese animation. Non-Japanese animation and Japanese animation are still both cartoon and both portray similar qualities like genres, motifs etc.
...Also if people are going to argue that Japanese animation displays more maturity it doesn't. Both have their childish and there mature aspects.
...Also if people are going to argue that Japanese animation displays more maturity it doesn't. Both have their childish and there mature aspects.
It's inaccurate to say a cartoon and anime is the same thing.
Cartoons have no plotline. They are Tom and Jerry, Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner. Single episodes with no overarching story. The Simpsons, Family Guy, they all fall under this category because even though they allude to the events in other episodes said events don't actually have an impact.
Anime is simply an animated version of a story. In Japan these are usually adaptations from manga, from which the style is pulled. However there have been numerous western examples from Transformers, beast wars, and etc to Clone Wars and other current, story driven, animated TV shows.
Anime is not defined by Japan or the manga style, it's everywhere even if western audiences don't call it by that name.
Pixar films fall under the same category as Studio Ghibli films, though of course Pixar uses 3d instead of 2d. Yet they both produce animated feature films.
The western bias against japanese manga style has made networks and stations (with the exception of Cartoon Network) fearful of using the Anime moniker and there is no western term to compensate so they have let people lump them in with cartoons though they are, as previously mentioned, different genre's entirely.
Cartoons have no plotline. They are Tom and Jerry, Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner. Single episodes with no overarching story. The Simpsons, Family Guy, they all fall under this category because even though they allude to the events in other episodes said events don't actually have an impact.
Anime is simply an animated version of a story. In Japan these are usually adaptations from manga, from which the style is pulled. However there have been numerous western examples from Transformers, beast wars, and etc to Clone Wars and other current, story driven, animated TV shows.
Anime is not defined by Japan or the manga style, it's everywhere even if western audiences don't call it by that name.
Pixar films fall under the same category as Studio Ghibli films, though of course Pixar uses 3d instead of 2d. Yet they both produce animated feature films.
The western bias against japanese manga style has made networks and stations (with the exception of Cartoon Network) fearful of using the Anime moniker and there is no western term to compensate so they have let people lump them in with cartoons though they are, as previously mentioned, different genre's entirely.
It's not that cartoons and anime are that drastically different, the only real differences is the art style and the story telling. I would think it more ignorant to say anime is NOT a cartoon, because technically, it is. It's just Japanese.
That's like saying South Park or Family Guy aren't cartoons, instead calling them "adult animation" or something. They've just become euphamisms for people who need to make that distinction. Personally I enjoy pretty much any kind of animation just so long as the picture is crisp, the frame rate solid, the art appealing, and the story engrossing - or at least entertaining.
That's like saying South Park or Family Guy aren't cartoons, instead calling them "adult animation" or something. They've just become euphamisms for people who need to make that distinction. Personally I enjoy pretty much any kind of animation just so long as the picture is crisp, the frame rate solid, the art appealing, and the story engrossing - or at least entertaining.