Poll: Is Valve becoming worse over time?

[slowpoke999]

I was about to rage at this thread, but then I read how Blizzard cut a whole bunch of shit out of one of WoWs expansions to meet deadlines and I just think,there's way worse companies that are way more popular.You see, Valve has a philosophy quality>deadlines, companies like Blizzard are the opposite.

Oh I'm sorry I mean ActiBlizzard my mistake

 

[cornmancer]

Over time? In my opinion they can't get any worse. Well maybe they could. Who knows. They suck right now though.

Before you flame me, just remember this is my opinion.
[sub][sub]Oh wait, opinions are not allowed on the internet[/sub][/sub]

Thank you for qualifying your statement with examples of things they have done that you don't like and why you do not like them. I feel enlightened by your deep, thoughtful post that contributed so much to the discussion. It didn't dissuade me from sucking Valve's dick on a regular basis, but it certainly helped me understand why someone would not like their games.


[sub][sub]I don't care if you don't like them, but I don't respect you until you tell me why[/sub][/sub]

Why is it I have to give my reasons that I dislike something? Chances are you will just try to tell me why they are wrong. So why bother getting in to an argument?

Yeah, I will disagree, and I will try to argue, but that's the point. If you simply say 'no' you're just talking, you aren't saying anything. If you say 'no, because...' then that is a statement, you contribute, and you prove that you're a functional human being. Just because you didn't make me change my opinion doesn't it isn't a good argument. A good argument simply makes the other party see why they think a certain way, and understand the thought process that led to this conclusion, then possibly change their own position, but that isn't required. Right now you are a parrot. You talk, but you don't have any real cognitive thought connected to it. It is when you qualify your statement that you become a human being. Without the ability to form and state an opinion and why you feel that way, you're just an ape with speech functions.

For example, I could just say Half-Life 2 is a fucking masterpiece, but that hasn't really established anything beyond the basic idea. Now if I were to say, Half-Life 2 is a fucking master piece because of it's compelling plot, interesting characters, great level design, fantastic gun play, and superb pacing in scene-to-scene action, the enemies progression, and overall plot, that is making a qualified statement. See the difference?

 

[AWAR]

Oh hell yes. After episode 1, everything valve releases seems to me like mediocre cash-cows.

 

[hottsaucekid]

Doesnt the wait for HL2:E3 want you to play it even more? doesnt it want you to see why you had to wait so long?. its kinda like duke nukem forever. ive never played the games and i only know a few duke nukem quotes but if that game came out tommorow id be one of the first in line to see what all the fuss was about.

 

[Estocavio]

I actually think Valve is improving over time, but then, i have some uncommon taste in games.

Also, Newell admitted that theyre rarely ever on time, and that like their previous titles, HL2E3 will get done, and just be patient.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Which would you prefer: shorter games and an inevitable decline in quality until they rival Ubisoft in underachievement, or be forced to become more patient and shrug off that stupid entitlement ego problem you have whilst they retain phenomenal quality?

 

[iFail69]

Good things come to those who wait.

Don't rush Valve, let them ignore deadlines to make good games!! We have enough developers out there making bad games inside their deadlines...

 

[andriod]

valve isn't losing thier touch. they're verry cunning, you may say your hating them but at the verry last moment they release small amounts of 'leaked' info and you will fall to your knees. Repeate this process 3 months later and you have started your own VALVe.

 

[Outright Villainy]

Also they made The Sandman a piece of shit

Yeah. If you suck.
It's better than ever, provided you can hit someone who can very slowly crawl away.
Uber stunning was always b.s.
In fact, the one thing valve have done right with is make the scout's unlocks far better than when they started.
The old FaN, oh god that was horrible...

OT: I always hated people ragging on valve for left 4 dead 2. People seemed to have this huge sense of entitlement (probably from team fortress in fact), and wanted left 4 dead to be constantly updated, when new campaigns were really the only kind of additions that'd make sense anyway.
I don't even have Left 4 dead 2, as I found the first boring after a while, but that whiny self entitlement annoys me no end. Why people think they deserve Valve updating their game for nothing?

 

[Doclector]

Well, their games are still brilliant, but there's a few things in which valve seem determined to piss everyone off.

L4D DLC given no TLC

Just getting this out of the way, I like the L4D series, and I think L4D2 just had enough improvements to warrant it's release so close to the first game at full price. Debatable, and I know many people who like L4D more, which is fine, even good, it'll keep the first game's community alive. BUT! the problem comes in with DLC. When they announced L4D2, they promised to keep DLC going for both games, thus keeping both communities alive with new content. But they have so far been rather lacklustre in this, with the passing for L4D2 coming out months after it was supposed to, and god knows how long it's L4D counterpart, "the crossing" will take to get out. Sure, mutation serves as a nice way of keeping people coming back to L4D2 without constantly releasing DLC, but if they plan on producing new DLC as a way of boosting players, they better start being more consistent about it and stop taking nigh on a year to produce only a three-part campaign.

"Everything's on track...to release in another two year's time."

Valve seem to have a few chronic procrastinators on the team, as valve have a terrible history of delays. The passing was a textbook case of valve time. Before L4D2's launch, they said they'd have it out within the first few months of release. They didn't. When it had a release date, they left it up until that date to announce they'd be taking another couple of months to...Well, god knows what. And let's not even get started with HL2 ep 3...

"Portal-themed announcement"

You may have heard that after speculation of what valve's big E3 announcement would be, they announced it wouldn't be portal 2, but something portal-themed. I swear, if they have a "portal" set up, and the L4D3 characters walk out of it, there's gonna be trouble...

Valve dates PCs

valve have an almost unfair preference towards PC players. Whilst PC TF2 has been updated constantly, console versions have recieved nothing, which I can almost understand, technical limits, blah blah, but the servers for the 360 version have been allowed to fall into disrepair. Laggy games are all too common. Modded games allowed to spam up matchmaking. What's more, there's gaping exploits a plenty. All too often, a game has been ruined by engineers UNDER the map. Seriously valve, if you could kindly take time off from making out with the PC crowd, how's about fixing some of the exploits at least, hey? Maybe just chucking us even a slightly improved connection?

 

[Maverick Siragusa]

..........What exactly is wrong with the L4D series?

not much of a plot except for escape the zombies

I'm sorry for the possible double post, but that is the BEST plot for a zombie game. What you want them to go into an Underground Lab like in Resident Evil? Well everything in Resident EVil sucked except for Resident Evil 4 and some of Weskers Lines.

wesker was like a poet with some of his lines

all im saying is its plot needs to be a little more deep

 

[starhaven]

..........What exactly is wrong with the L4D series?

its getting old everything is the same i dont mind that its uncomplicated but l4d2 they implyed its a virus some are immune some are carriers, army is seen about time to i wouldnt mind them explaining some of it

i understand that its mostly multi player but the single player could have these added after all its called single player story mode

 

[Antiparticle]

Valve made a bunch of great games, but I'm getting more and more pissed off at them for totally ignoring the Xbox 360 TF2 community. It's not just that we're not getting the new weapons and maps, they don't even tell us anything about when and if we might get them. They also still haven't fixed all the bugs and glitches in our version!
I'll also never forgive them for killing Bill. Any of the other survivors would have been (more or less) fine with me, but not Bill, goddammit.
So yeah, my personal opinion of Valve is certainly becoming more negative lately. I'm willing to give them one last chance though. If they give us bugfixes and at least a mappack for 360 TF2, and make L4D3 return to the darker, scarier atmosphere that L4D1 had, they'll be my favorite developer again.

 

[Evil the White]

The only way I can see that they're getting worse is that they can get away with taking their sweet time about getting things done. But then, when they are done, they are amazing.

Puls, they have one team to work on everything. They have a few guys dedicated to each thing, but it'll still take ages for things to be released.

 

[Delusibeta]

It's a bit like arguing that Blizzard sucks for not revealing much information about Diablo 3 when they've announced Starcraft 2 parts 1 to 3.

 

[the_pleasure_is_mine]

The longer they delay Half Life 2 Episode 3 and the more they bring out L4D stuff the worse they get...