Coldie said:
Alright, troll or not, I'll bite.
kouriichi said:
you can do math without using 0. I belive its not a number, but its a space holder. its there for other numbers to be put. its an empty shell ((hehehe, pun)) waiting to be filled.
Exactly how many elephants do you have in your left hand right now?
And there is no math without zero. You can't do math without arithmetics, right? Take away arithmetics and it all crumbles away into oblivion, much like the Colossus. Arithmetics, in turn, rests on two pillars - Addition and Multiplication.
Addition requires an
Identity Element, zero, defined as x + 0 = x;
Multiplication requires a
Zero Element, zero, defined as x * 0 = 0;
Zero is not always a natural number, but it is always a number. Zero is the cornerstone of mathematics and it's quite a useful number in everyday life, as well. Please stop using the same arguments over and over.
you just used the same arguement as 3 other people and are telling me not to XD
Ive never had any elephants. I dont have 0 elephants, because ive never had any elephants to begin with.
And your argument is you HAVE TO HAVE 0.
You dont require 0. You use it. Its a tool. A non-existant in reality tool.
you cant show/touch/feel/see or kiss 0.
Your trying to say, 0 is a number because everything requires it in someway.
Im trying to say 0 is nothing. And nothing is not 0. I have nothing in my hand. Not 0.
Hold up your and. is it 0 items in your hand, or just your hand? Your forcing 0 to be the subject. Your using something un-naturally for purposes to further your side of the argument.
Show me 0 objects. Can you show nothing? No, because nothing doesnt exist. 0 has no value. if 0 has no value, it cant be use to add or subtract without getting the same number.
your trying to same its a number because its aquired. Im trying to say its not, because its not required. Its not needed. its doesnt need to exist.