Poll: Israel: Is it's existence justified?

[Music Mole]

Well the land was technically never there's in the first place
i think it should not have been created although the jews did need somewhere to go

there's a famous saying that actually is said in many religions

"The Jews are cursed to never have a land of their own"

Not being oiffensive or rascist or trying to say that jews are bad but simply stating something that seems very intresting

Overall i think we should come down to one thing , Were they there first ?

And the US is technically on stolen land from the Natives, and you know what they did? They slaughtered every last one of them! Hell, I have less of a right to live on this land than Israelis because they're continually fighting for it right now!

But I really don't want to delve into this topic, it'll just turn out ugly. I will agree however that Israel was not exactly established in the best of places in the world...

/agree
No one has the right to live where they are now. Every land has been taken over by someone else by this time. Australia is a good example, we fucked over the people who lived here before us. So we don't deserve to live here either.

It's okay now Rudd said sorry

 

[Azeban]

Well the land was technically never there's in the first place
i think it should not have been created although the jews did need somewhere to go

there's a famous saying that actually is said in many religions

"The Jews are cursed to never have a land of their own"

Not being oiffensive or rascist or trying to say that jews are bad but simply stating something that seems very intresting

Overall i think we should come down to one thing , Were they there first ?

And the US is technically on stolen land from the Natives, and you know what they did? They slaughtered every last one of them! Hell, I have less of a right to live on this land than Israelis because they're continually fighting for it right now!

But I really don't want to delve into this topic, it'll just turn out ugly. I will agree however that Israel was not exactly established in the best of places in the world...

America needs to stop policing the world. If Israel is meant to survive, it will on its own power. We've given it enough help.

We need to let the Middle East fight their never-ending moronic war.

Remember the good old days, when Middle Easterners were too busy in their attempts to exterminate Jews to plan terrorist attacks on the United States? I miss those days.

Trying to stop their fighting is pointless. Just let them drag each other down into the shit. Eventually they'll just nuke each other. Problem solved.

Yeah, yeah, I'm heartless. I'm just starting to doubt whether people from that region can be reasoned with. Can you reason with people so brainwashed that they destroy themselves for the ideals that have been shoved in their heads by their leaders? Yeah, yeah, the ones who blow themselves up are extremists, but look around you. Do you see any Catholic suicide bombers blowing up the local Walmart for Jesus? No, you don't. For whatever reason, they're much more violent than we are.

No you aren't heartless. You just have a curious case of "pants-on-head-retardism"

You know what? Actual jewish people should get a badge for the shit they have put up with. Native Americans got one for getting their land raped and pillaged from them.. ONCE. Jewish people have been taking it up the ass since creation.

Native Americans don't have SHIT for what our ancestors did to them. We're even thinking of taking away their tax breaks.

I don't see why Israel needs a land in the Middle East anyway. I don't know why they seem to think segregating all the Jews is a good idea. I suppose it is mandated by their religious law that they're "supposed" to get one, but it says alot of things in the torah that they've given up on. Why can't just just give up on this?

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Well the land was technically never there's in the first place
i think it should not have been created although the jews did need somewhere to go

there's a famous saying that actually is said in many religions

"The Jews are cursed to never have a land of their own"

Not being oiffensive or rascist or trying to say that jews are bad but simply stating something that seems very intresting

Overall i think we should come down to one thing , Were they there first ?

And the US is technically on stolen land from the Natives, and you know what they did? They slaughtered every last one of them! Hell, I have less of a right to live on this land than Israelis because they're continually fighting for it right now!

But I really don't want to delve into this topic, it'll just turn out ugly. I will agree however that Israel was not exactly established in the best of places in the world...

/agree
No one has the right to live where they are now. Every land has been taken over by someone else by this time. Australia is a good example, we fucked over the people who lived here before us. So we don't deserve to live here either.

It's okay now Rudd said sorry

Lol, but that doesn't mean we should be here though...

 

[Schnippshly]

Do any of you actually live in Israel?

 

[Asdrubaal]

I'd say give the jews a part of germany instead of bumming off palestinians that havent anything to do with the holocaust.

And yes the only legitimacy the "state" of israel has in my eyes comes guilt trip that "europeans", mostly germans but also every other european country that was happy to help out with the "clean europe from jews operation 1939-1945" also know as WWII.

Israel = South africa (apathaid period).

A real country doesnt need to build a wall to separate its own subjects (palestinians are technicaly israelis even if they are 4th grade citizens .... or are they even citizens ? )

And yes BTW Hamas are freedom fighters that use terrorism thats a big difference from terrorists that just terrorise

 

[Arcticflame]

No israel shouldn't have been created, but that doesn't allow persecution now that it is years later. It's been done, live with it.

Unfortunately israel isn't just sitting still, but is bulldozing homes and sending expansion colonies to expand their borders.

Actually Israel stopped the expansionist programs several years ago and began bulldozing Israeli homes to let palistinians go back in. They also turned over vast tracks of land to the palistinian authority. Unfortunately people have become bitter that their voluntary withdrawals led just to more violence and not peace so the politics is shifting to the hardline again.

Sorry, but I disagree.
When israel signed the agreement to stop expanding from oslo, the bulldozing actually accelerated. There was a period where they did stop, but they used one minor incident as an excuse to continue, and then used the period they halted as justifcation for further expansionist policies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression israel didn't hand any land back, they offered to yes, but the offered land was mostly palistinean land that had been seized in the first place.

 

[Arcticflame]

If its not the land won in war that you want them to give back, what is it you want them to give back, everything?

They handed back several towns and the Israeli military evicted by force a number of Israeli settlers.

I do by the way agree that the policy of agressive creation of settlements in disputed territories is asking for trouble and is provocative. It was bad policy by the Israeli government and it definately caused problems. It was a good move to start handing that land back. I just wish that good will move was recognized a little more. It's going to take a lot of small moves on both sides before either trusts each other well enough to make big moves.

What it'd take is israel to be treated as an equal country, and not a country to tiptoe around for fear of being called a war mongering jew hater for stating things that are in plain sight.

Israel's expansion colonies are only justified through their own religion. And that is sick.

They didn't start handing land back. They are still now taking even more.

 

[Ushario]

It's hard to argue they have a right to the place when an entire country was already there when they moved in, took over the government, and then waged war on everyone around them. Being f***ed over does not mean you can spread the hate around by doing it to other people.

Basically this, I could go in depth, but it says everything realy necessary.

 

[Asdrubaal]

Countries do use walls to seperate themselves from other countries. For example, Egypt built a big wall to keep the palistinians in Gaza out of Egypt. Well, the Israeli's built it when it was their border, the Palistinians blew it up, and the Egyptians rebuilt it..

I completely agree that countries may build walls and fences between them selves and other countires however palestine is not a country its an autonomous administration (although laughable) within israel. Im talking about a walls within one and the same country not between 2 different countries.

All terrorists are the same. When a miltary attack is launched (and that can include suicide bombings) against a miltary target - for example taking out an Israeli checkpoint or police station, or the bombing of the USS Cole, that's a military attack. When you strap on a bomb and blow up a restaurant full of civilians for the purpose of causing terror, that's just cowardly murder, doesn't matter why you claim you did it.

Wrong again and thats what braindead media wants your world perspective to be like on one side nice ppl and on the other bad ppl. If I was to extend your logic then the french resistance against the germans in WWII were terrorists, the FLN in algeria were also terrorists, and general Washington in the american war of independance was also a terrorist.

 

[Music Mole]

Well the land was technically never there's in the first place
i think it should not have been created although the jews did need somewhere to go

there's a famous saying that actually is said in many religions

"The Jews are cursed to never have a land of their own"

Not being oiffensive or rascist or trying to say that jews are bad but simply stating something that seems very intresting

Overall i think we should come down to one thing , Were they there first ?

And the US is technically on stolen land from the Natives, and you know what they did? They slaughtered every last one of them! Hell, I have less of a right to live on this land than Israelis because they're continually fighting for it right now!

But I really don't want to delve into this topic, it'll just turn out ugly. I will agree however that Israel was not exactly established in the best of places in the world...

/agree
No one has the right to live where they are now. Every land has been taken over by someone else by this time. Australia is a good example, we fucked over the people who lived here before us. So we don't deserve to live here either.

It's okay now Rudd said sorry

Lol, but that doesn't mean we should be here though...

Sorry was a failed attempt at humor

 

[aruseusx]

I think the reason the US is on Israels side is because they are jews (no offence). Its that Judaism is Christianities predecesor religion and since most of America are Christians it becomes a family honour-esque defending, which is usually why muslims do their extremist (no offence again) actions. But you cant just let this kind of thing keep happening because when people want to get away form wars and conflicts they move to other countries and since some will be extremists they will try to change the current laws of the country that they are in, eventually turning it into the state they are running from.

The middle eastern democracy crusade (The War on Terror, Gulf war, occupation of afghanistan) also partially proves that muslims kind of cant run a government .I mean you dont see a Catholic dictatorship these days right? (i know im not including the past)

 

[Horticulture]

The middle eastern democracy crusade (The War on Terror, Gulf war, occupation of afghanistan) also partially proves that muslims kind of cant run a government .I mean you dont see a Catholic dictatorship these days right? (i know im not including the past)

http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_turkey.gif

Turkey might take exception to being referred to as a dictatorship...

 

[Shapsters]

Well the land was technically never there's in the first place
i think it should not have been created although the jews did need somewhere to go

there's a famous saying that actually is said in many religions

"The Jews are cursed to never have a land of their own"

Not being oiffensive or rascist or trying to say that jews are bad but simply stating something that seems very intresting

Overall i think we should come down to one thing , Were they there first ?

And the US is technically on stolen land from the Natives, and you know what they did? They slaughtered every last one of them! Hell, I have less of a right to live on this land than Israelis because they're continually fighting for it right now!

But I really don't want to delve into this topic, it'll just turn out ugly. I will agree however that Israel was not exactly established in the best of places in the world...

Good point, if you really think about it, all of North America, and Australia is stolen land from Natives. I am sure there are more, but I cannot think of any at the moment.