Poll: Israel: Is it's existence justified?

[Shady Shades]

I'm talking about there. Not "all over there"
Everyone else has always been fighting. Creating Israel just caused more problems

 

[samsprinkle]

Yes, yes I do think so. After all palestinian terrorists started attacking Israel(I don't mean at the foundation of Israel) and then everyone blames Israel. Yes I know it might not always have been the palesinians.
Also they made a badass tank. And they won the Six Day War.

I love watching sixday war stuff! Go Israel!

 

[soulsabr]

Yes, yes I do think so. After all palestinian terrorists started attacking Israel and then everyone blames Israel. Yes I know it might not always have been the palesinians.
Also they made a badass tank. And they won the Six Day War.

Israel belonged to palestinians first, britain and america set up the state of israel in the 50s because we felt sorry for what happened during the holocaust !! the palestinians only believe that they are fighting for the freedom to be ruled by someone of their own religion! personally i am on the palestinians side! and no i am NOT anti semitic i just feel that the palestinians have a stronger, and historically older claim to the territory!!!

What "claim"? The Native Americans had "claim" to their land, and look how that turned out!

It's useless saying "This is mine!" "Well I don't see your name on it!" "but I had it first!" debate because that's not how war, or history for that matter, works at all.

So what, you had it first? Well to bad, it's mine now! Either deal with it or try to take it back, and that's exactly what the Palestinians are doing right now. I'm sick of people saying that because they were here first, it means that it's theirs, when that's never been the case in any land acquirement in the history of the whole world.

the land was theres the jewish population do not deserve to be given a country just because of 'the holocaust' and because the current british/american governments felt sorry for them!! its a disgrace to human rights and so called 'democracy' frankly the country should never have existed, and should be dissolved and the land returned to its muslim proprietors!! and i am in no way anti semitic but i frankly agree with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN racism summit, which israel is boycotting!!!! because they are racist against muslims!!!

I don't believe you should be allowed to have whatever you have. Why? Oh, it's nothing you did. Some random entity screwed up and did you a favour but it has pissed off a lot of your neighbours and a few odd passers-by. So, to make everybody else happy, I'm going to take away everything you have and everything you have ever known. Sounds fair, right?

i never said that was fair, but that is what israel is effectively doing to people who did live in that are of the world, taken away their right to be ruled by someone of their own religion! and the people of GAZA having their homes destroyed by israeli troops, that is taking away everything they have ever known!! you hypocrite

That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Should I act contrary to what I say I'd be a hypocrite. Actually, a hypocrite is really an actor. But I digress. We could argue back and forth about who is right, how wrong this or that is, etc .... But I don't have that kind of time. The simple fact is that this kind of thing has been going on for centuries and we're pretty much powerless to prevent it. Oh yea, one other thing; where is it written that a person has the right to ruled by a person of their own religion? If that were the case then a lot of people have seriously been wronged by the simple act of being born. Oh yea, and stop pretending that Israel is the big, bad monster. I've heard of worse on the other side of the border. Read up, you'd be amazed at what the media isn't telling you. Oh, and have a nice day. This post was brought to you by the letter Z and the number i.

 

[Perryman93]

Yes, yes I do think so. After all palestinian terrorists started attacking Israel and then everyone blames Israel. Yes I know it might not always have been the palesinians.
Also they made a badass tank. And they won the Six Day War.

Israel belonged to palestinians first, britain and america set up the state of israel in the 50s because we felt sorry for what happened during the holocaust !! the palestinians only believe that they are fighting for the freedom to be ruled by someone of their own religion! personally i am on the palestinians side! and no i am NOT anti semitic i just feel that the palestinians have a stronger, and historically older claim to the territory!!!

What "claim"? The Native Americans had "claim" to their land, and look how that turned out!

It's useless saying "This is mine!" "Well I don't see your name on it!" "but I had it first!" debate because that's not how war, or history for that matter, works at all.

So what, you had it first? Well to bad, it's mine now! Either deal with it or try to take it back, and that's exactly what the Palestinians are doing right now. I'm sick of people saying that because they were here first, it means that it's theirs, when that's never been the case in any land acquirement in the history of the whole world.

the land was theres the jewish population do not deserve to be given a country just because of 'the holocaust' and because the current british/american governments felt sorry for them!! its a disgrace to human rights and so called 'democracy' frankly the country should never have existed, and should be dissolved and the land returned to its muslim proprietors!! and i am in no way anti semitic but i frankly agree with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN racism summit, which israel is boycotting!!!! because they are racist against muslims!!!

I don't believe you should be allowed to have whatever you have. Why? Oh, it's nothing you did. Some random entity screwed up and did you a favour but it has pissed off a lot of your neighbours and a few odd passers-by. So, to make everybody else happy, I'm going to take away everything you have and everything you have ever known. Sounds fair, right?

i never said that was fair, but that is what israel is effectively doing to people who did live in that are of the world, taken away their right to be ruled by someone of their own religion! and the people of GAZA having their homes destroyed by israeli troops, that is taking away everything they have ever known!! you hypocrite

That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Should I act contrary to what I say I'd be a hypocrite. Actually, a hypocrite is really an actor. But I digress. We could argue back and forth about who is right, how wrong this or that is, etc .... But I don't have that kind of time. The simple fact is that this kind of thing has been going on for centuries and we're pretty much powerless to prevent it. Oh yea, one other thing; where is it written that a person has the right to ruled by a person of their own religion? If that were the case then a lot of people have seriously been wronged by the simple act of being born. Oh yea, and stop pretending that Israel is the big, bad monster. I've heard of worse on the other side of the border. Read up, you'd be amazed at what the media isn't telling you. Oh, and have a nice day. This post was brought to you by the letter Z and the number i.

i have read up, and not from the media!!!

 

[ygetoff]

The way both sides work in this issue is preventing anything good from coming out of it. Yes, Israel should exist. A people deserve a place all their own. However, the way Israel responds to threats is not justified. If Russia invaded the U.S. every time relations between them became harsh, the world would be destroyed. Israel does the same. However, in the interest of objectivity, Hamas and other Arab nations need to lay off. But overall, Israel needs to change its methods of dealing with other nations. Also, it's treatment of native Palestinians is not good (though some blame can leveled at the Palestinians as well), and that needs to change. Responding to a wild rocket strikes with equally wild artillery fire is not a good way to deal with problems.

 

[Jumplion]

The way both sides work in this issue is preventing anything good from coming out of it. Yes, Israel should exist. A people deserve a place all their own. However, the way Israel responds to threats is not justified. If Russia invaded the U.S. every time relations between them became harsh, the world would be destroyed. Israel does the same. However, in the interest of objectivity, Hamas and other Arab nations need to lay off. But overall, Israel needs to change its methods of dealing with other nations. Also, it's treatment of native Palestinians is not good (though some blame can leveled at the Palestinians as well), and that needs to change. Responding to a wild rocket strikes with equally wild artillery fire is not a good way to deal with problems.

The difference is, the harm to Israel is physical, not stuff like with US and Russia in the Cold War. It's not the enemies waving their guns around, they've been actively firing at Israel for years. Israel, to my knowledge, hardly ever retaliates with the most recent being in the Gaza.

I agree, however, that Israel should find a better way to deal with them, but that sounds easy on paper. What else can Israel do? Peace treaties have been tried, but not many have been successful to my knowledge aside from Egypt, and even that treaty's shaky.

But I really really really really really really really don't want to get into this again. Tally-ho!

 

[ygetoff]

The way both sides work in this issue is preventing anything good from coming out of it. Yes, Israel should exist. A people deserve a place all their own. However, the way Israel responds to threats is not justified. If Russia invaded the U.S. every time relations between them became harsh, the world would be destroyed. Israel does the same. However, in the interest of objectivity, Hamas and other Arab nations need to lay off. But overall, Israel needs to change its methods of dealing with other nations. Also, it's treatment of native Palestinians is not good (though some blame can leveled at the Palestinians as well), and that needs to change. Responding to a wild rocket strikes with equally wild artillery fire is not a good way to deal with problems.

The difference is, the harm to Israel is physical, not stuff like with US and Russia in the Cold War. It's not the enemies waving their guns around, they've been actively firing at Israel for years. Israel, to my knowledge, hardly ever retaliates with the most recent being in the Gaza.

I agree, however, that Israel should find a better way to deal with them, but that sounds easy on paper. What else can Israel do? Peace treaties have been tried, but not many have been successful to my knowledge aside from Egypt, and even that treaty's shaky.

But I really really really really really really really don't want to get into this again. Tally-ho!

Both sides can start by acknowledging their mistakes. It's a lot easier to listen to someone when they aren't self-righteous.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Hey, nice to see this thread is back from the dead.

 

[ygetoff]

The way both sides work in this issue is preventing anything good from coming out of it. Yes, Israel should exist. A people deserve a place all their own. However, the way Israel responds to threats is not justified. If Russia invaded the U.S. every time relations between them became harsh, the world would be destroyed. Israel does the same. However, in the interest of objectivity, Hamas and other Arab nations need to lay off. But overall, Israel needs to change its methods of dealing with other nations. Also, it's treatment of native Palestinians is not good (though some blame can leveled at the Palestinians as well), and that needs to change. Responding to a wild rocket strikes with equally wild artillery fire is not a good way to deal with problems.

So if Mexico sent bombs on a daily basis into the US you would recommend they ignore it?

The Isreali rocket fire was not wild, it was rather strategic actually. The death toll would have been a heck of a lot higher if it was random, Israel could flatten the area and "solve" the problem in a day if they weren't so understanding.

i would recommend they solve it without having to kill people. When Israel responds to bombings with bombings of it's own, they only prolong the problem.

 

[Perticular Elk]

They fought for it. Its Theirs.

 

[Connor Lonske]

Speaking as a Jew(for real), I think we deserve our little home out in the east. We have gone thought a lot in the passed 3000 years. The Egyptians enslaved us, countrys living next to us invaded our home, the Spanish killed us for not converting to Christianity, Hitler killed six million of us cause he thought we were evil. We need some sort of consolation prize for all that shit don't you think. That's what I think.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

How is it stolen? Why won't the U.N do the same for the U.S?

Hell, the u.s did it in far worse ways.


That said, historically, (seeing as this is what it seems to be about.) jewish people have lived there long ago before they were kicked out themselves. Oddly similar?

They fought for it. Its Theirs.

This guy is doing it right. If you fight for your land, and defend it from foreign invaders.. What right does anyone have to just take it away?

The way both sides work in this issue is preventing anything good from coming out of it. Yes, Israel should exist. A people deserve a place all their own. However, the way Israel responds to threats is not justified. If Russia invaded the U.S. every time relations between them became harsh, the world would be destroyed. Israel does the same. However, in the interest of objectivity, Hamas and other Arab nations need to lay off. But overall, Israel needs to change its methods of dealing with other nations. Also, it's treatment of native Palestinians is not good (though some blame can leveled at the Palestinians as well), and that needs to change. Responding to a wild rocket strikes with equally wild artillery fire is not a good way to deal with problems.

So if Mexico sent bombs on a daily basis into the US you would recommend they ignore it?

The Isreali rocket fire was not wild, it was rather strategic actually. The death toll would have been a heck of a lot higher if it was random, Israel could flatten the area and "solve" the problem in a day if they weren't so understanding.

i would recommend they solve it without having to kill people. When Israel responds to bombings with bombings of it's own, they only prolong the problem.

What else is there that they can do? No country around them wishes to settle this debate diplomatically, except israel. Its like the school bully complex. You bully a kid, and when he snaps... That should be your punishment, no?

 

[fulano]

How is it stolen? Why won't the U.N do the same for the U.S?

Hell, the u.s did it in far worse ways.


That said, historically, (seeing as this is what it seems to be about.) jewish people have lived there long ago before they were kicked out themselves. Oddly similar?

They fought for it. Its Theirs.

This guy is doing it right. If you fight for your land, and defend it from foreign invaders.. What right does anyone have to just take it away?

Hmm. I like that idea.

How about we mexicans flood the U.S' neighboring territories(which we are doing already), keep having babies like rabbits, and then take control of the land by force and fight for it tooth and nail and have it annexed to Mexico until hundreds of years from now it becomes but a matter of debate whether we should be there or not, and whether it is justified? Certainly if you've got millions of mexicans living there, with their own culture and lives, and families you just can't kick them out.

Like my idea?

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Of course you can kick people out of their homes. It worked for the U.S.

Anyways I can't really decide where I stand on the picture. Israel has defended itself countless times.. And it is their historical resting place. But then, the land was taken away from whomever it happened to be before...

Its a complicated issue.

 

[fulano]

Of course you can kick people out of their homes. It worked for the U.S.

Anyways I can't really decide where I stand on the picture. Israel has defended itself countless times.. And it is their historical resting place. But then, the land was taken away from whomever it happened to be before...

Its a complicated issue.

No. It's not complicated.

People were already there and they took a piece of their land for themselves, and that was that. Of course, you could bring legallity and that could be questioned too. BUT, is its existence justified?

I'd venture to say yes. You just can't kick out all those people after all this time: they LIVE there, that is their home. Another solution has to be reached for both parties involved, which is more likely a nation state for both people, and good luck with that.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

This thread has bad idea written all over it.

 

[manaman]

i have read up, and not from the media!!!

Then you are reading the wrong sources. You know the guy you said the Israelites boycotted. They did boycott before hand, while most of the world decided to give him a chance preparting a walk out should he show up and spout crazy like he always does. Well he did, they did, and only through careful editing of the videos of the event can you not see that pretty much half the place walked out as he was talking. She he actually believes the holocaust never happened that it was all part of a Jewish plot to steal away Israel form the Palestinians who he thinks have always lived there. He thinks the Jewish people rule the world. He has wackier ideas then most conspiracy theorist I know. I think the people who believe the world is hollow have saner ideas.

 

[CheeseSandwichCake]

Their existance is justified by DEAGLE TO YOUR FACE.